Cornish is a brittonic (celtic) language that has, thru motivating people, arisen from the dead. It get extinct in the 19th century but nowdays there is again several hundreds who has the language as their main language, as well as 20 who has it as a native language!
The revitalization has gone very well. In 2010 UNESCO announced that its former classification of the language as "extinct" was "no longer accurate" - it is now a living language.
This month the UK goverment recognised the Cornish people as a national minority under the Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities and it is protected under the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages.
It is never too late for those languages that has been recorded thru writing, it just take some motivated persons.
I hope the language come here in the future, so that many more could learn this awakened language.
Here is the cornish - kernowek - wikipediapage on cornish:
How wonderful! I have Cornish ancestry, it would be fantastic to one day learn the language.
The more traffic posts like this get, the more people join DuoLingo, the more of them that speak these languages, the closer we will get to having them. As someone of Cornish ancestry, I would be delighted and given hope for the future of Cornwall to see a Cornish language course on DuoLingo. I will be contacting people in several Celtic nations, trying to establish teams to take on the challenge of creating these courses. If Wales and Ireland can do it, Scotland, the Isle of Man, Cornwall, and Brittany can do it!
Yes please, as a Cornish woman I would love to learn my native language - please add the course!
I would very much like to see this language on Duolingo. It's really important that we help to promote these at-risk languages. Please accept this lingot as a token of my esteem.
Yes i would love to learn Cornish, I'm a native Welsh speaker, and understand a lot of cornish when i hear it, as it is very simliar, due to bring a brythonic language. So please Duolingo, introduce Corinsh, as you did with Welsh, as the Celtic languages need to be learnt and used!!!!! Thanks
Just found these Cornish language tuition short videos on Facebook with the wonderful Pol Hodge... so THAT's how you pronounce gwyrdh...
I’d love to learn Cornish! I’m currently learning Irish Gaelic and Welsh, and have hope they’ll put in Scottish Gaelic so I can learn that too.
pob lwc efo duolingo kernewek. marteze e vefe e brezoneg goude ar gerneveurek.
I would be very keen to get stuck in to a Cornish course. I'm a novice learning Kernewek Kemmyn as I understand this is the form most widely spoken. I noticed these are quite old posts. Has there been any progress? Kernow bys vykken!
Cornish is a language that would benefit ENORMOUSLY from Duolingo. A century ago it was almost dead and, even after its revival, for most of the 20th century use was restricted to a small number of enthusiasts, including academics. However, the past 30 years has seen a major increase in students at the entry level and a significant rise in the number of fluent speakers. Well structured evening courses, along with some simple online courses have helped here, as well as official recognition at UK government and EU level and a veritable explosion of published books in Cornish. Cornish should have great appeal to students on Duolingo. It is one of the six ancient Celtic languages and Cornwall (situated at the South-West tip of Britain) is an area of outstanding beauty, with a rich culture, and a tremendous history. The survival of Cornish into the 21st century was against all the odds and yet it has made it and has a potentially great future. Indeed, with Duolingo's help Cornish could end up with as many Cornish speakers as at the time when it was the principal language of the region. I studied Cornish for a year in a London before moving abroad and would sign up immediately if Duolingo offered a course - it is a wonderful language! However, it is essential that Duolingo works to develop a course with some of the key Cornish language practitioners. Personally I would recommend Duolingo contact Tony Hak, Polin Prys or Mark Trevethan to get the ball rolling. This is important stuff!
I know absolutely nothing of Cornish, but would love to see a course for it.
Wonderful to see so many comments over the past few years... is there anyone else still here who'd love to have a Duolingo Cornish course? I'm still a learner myself (through KDL, the correspondence course), but I absolutely love it and would be happy to do anything I could to support the creation of a Duolingo course, whether helping to set up the lessons or even doing audio recordings. Are others here still interested — and then maybe we can make enough noise here to convince Duolingo to give it a go?? As a few others have said, there are already existing Cornish courses that could be adapted to make a course here.
Yes, I think it would be a great idea to have a Cornish Duolingo course - see my comments above from 11 months ago. Guessing from the name that you are Cornish Language Board member?
Ah, I think you might be mistaking me for Roger Courtenay, Clivio4... Courtenay's my first name and I'm a she (but I have met Roger and we've joked about the name). ;o) I'm an Aussie with Cornish ancestry, living in the UK and learning Cornish through KDL. But a Duolingo course, if set up with the help of the Cornish Language Board as you've suggested, would be a brilliant way of allowing this re-emerging language to reach a much bigger audience of learners, wouldn't it? Do you (or anyone) have any idea how many people need to show an interest for Duolingo to consider creating a new course? I've had a look in the Incubator and they have a number of courses in development, but not Cornish yet. Welsh and Irish have already graduated from beta and have hundreds of thousands of learners, so there's definitely a call for Celtic languages here... can we make it happen with Cornish??
I'm not sure how many people need to declare an interest but this Forum alone should demonstrate that. I believe that the key thing is for a volunteer to agree to work with Duolingo to put the course together. That really needs to be a Grade 4+ fluent speaker. The current problem is that there are not many of these about and most are heavily oversubscribed when it comes to contributing to the language. Nevertheless, like you, I think that the opportunities offered by Duolingo to massively increase the students of this rich and fascinating language are such that a Cornish course should be prioritised. My suggestion would be to lobby the Cornish Language Board members and encourage others to do so too. I mentioned a few names in my post above, but there are also others. Best wishes.
Yes, I agree. I do know several of the Cornish Language Board members (including the ones you've mentioned) and I may be seeing some of them soon, so I could always mention the idea of a Duolingo course and find out if there's any interest in pushing for it... Duolingo isn't "the perfect" language tool (is there any such thing?), but it's a very popular and useful platform and it would be a great way of getting more learners on board. Meur ras hag oll an gwella!
Seems like there's quite some interest for the course. I've had a mild interest for the Cornish language for a few years but never known anyone who spoke it or a practical use for it, last year overheard some people speaking it in the wild for the first time in the Blue Anchor Pub in Helston, and few more times since, been picking up a tiny bit. I'm impressed by the duolingo Spanish course and would be delighted to learn my own local language via it. Its' ideal for fitting in learning into short breaks of free time, can also be nice and casual and would much more accessible as an introduction to many people than meeting at scheduled lessons imo.
Dydh da Jack, you must have stumbled upon the Helston Yeth an Werin (informal Cornish conversation group)! It's true there's nowhere (yet) where Cornish is actually spoken as a day-to-day language, but if more and more people get interested and start using it wherever they can out of love for Cornwall and its heritage, who knows where that might lead... that's one reason why I'd like to see a Duolingo Cornish course to help us out! ;o) You've reminded me, too, I've been planning to ask around and find out if any of the more fluent speakers in the movement would be interested in helping to create a Duolingo course, which sounds like it's the main thing needed for it to get started. I haven't been in regular contact with other Cornish speakers lately, but will make a point of asking about it when I can! Oll an gwella (all the best).
Dydh da CourtenayR, that's a great idea, would love to be updated if they're interested in creating a course. Oll an gwella.
Would be happy to help if at all I can, although I'm more a Breton speaker than a Cornish one (despite living in Cornwall). I've been thinking about suggesting KDL goes digital via Duolingo. Is there any way to get enough people on board without passionately igniting the SWF/KK debate?
Hi Lizzyblob — in my experience, really most of the passionate debate is not between SWF and KK (which are very similar), but between SWF/KK and the three or four other spelling systems in existence!! KDL is available in both SWF and KK, but I think the majority of newer learning/teaching materials are in SWF, since that is supposed to be the official standard for teaching in schools and it is gaining in popularity. Kesva an Taves Kernewek — the Cornish Language Board, which produces KDL and the written / oral exams — officially supports SWF and I think would most likely recommend SWF for a Duolingo course. Hopefully one day there'll be Duolingo Breton as well! :o)
Duolingo, in the face of Brexit, please add Kernowek.
The European Union cares for minority languages, obligating its members to take measures to conserve them & their cultures. But as the UK is leaving in a little over a month, they will no longer have to pay attention to minority languages. Westminster has an horrible record in regards to all things not English.
Cymraeg is pretty robust, it survived for 800 years.
Scots Gaelic would probably thrive when Scotland breaks away.(& presumedly rejoins the EU)
But Kernowek is really small & needs your help. So please provide this language as a course for us to take.
Thank you & greetings, Leafs
It would be great if Duolingo started adding more languages that really need more speakers to ensure their survival... Apparently language preservation is part of their mission according to their Wikipedia page. 50-90% of all languages are supposed to die by 2100, time is short, but a Duolingo course could do a lot to help endangered languages.
I've spoken many times about devising a Cornish course on Duolingo. I think we need to collate a group willing to work on this. Who's up for it? Any speakers / advanced learners out there? Twitter: @SteCymru14
I speak Cornish and Breton so I can be of some assist with a Cornish course. It has been a fair amount of time since I've been learning Cornish so I have a plethora of resources a group could utilise in the creation of the course.
I'm just starting out with learning Cornish so I'm not in a position to help, but I wonder whether how the Welsh course has been done could be followed, in that they have used the already existing language courses for adults as the basis for constructing their course. I wonder whether its worth making contact with Kesva and asking about using grade 1 of the Kesva correspondence course as a basis for constructing a course here? Just an idea.
Tybyans splann! / Great idea!
We used the 'cwrs mynediad' to create the Cymraeg course so there's no reason why the same couldn't be done for Kernewek. SaySomethingInWelsh has some decent Cornish resources but nowhere near enough. I think a course for Kernewek on Memrise would be the way to go initially.... it would show Duolingo not only that the course can be created and perfected but also that there will be interest in the course.
I think that's a great idea, I use Memrise loads, but I've never managed to work out how to create a course there - and I have tried! Even though I am very much a beginner, so probably not able to help with the course creation for Duolingo, I am more than happy to help in any way I can, including finally getting my head around putting a course together on Memrise alongside others if that would help. I'm not on Twitter, but I am on Facebook, with the same user name if you want to get in contact.
This is the specific course I was thinking about, in Standard Written Form http://www.kesva.org/new-first-grade-course
There's also been a great post here, that I think is relevant to Cornish, in case you miss it here's the link - https://www.duolingo.com/comment/16073058
Some wonderful points here. I'm sure you're Cornish is of a good enough standard to aid anyone in creating a course - be that on Duolingo or Memrise etc. Your passion for the language alone ensures this. I'll have a look at Memrise on the weekend to see about setting up a course there and I'll get in touch once I know more. You're welcome to add me on Facebook if you wish - I'm under my username too.
Put up vocabulary list from Bora Brav course (SWF version) as part of learning how to create courses on Memrise - http://www.memrise.com/course/1186558/bora-brav-standard-written-form-version/
Did this ever happen? Quit disappointed that this discussion went on a year ago and nothing has happened since.
I see Go Cornish have published an introductory course on Memrise. Its interface is very similar to the one on Duolingo so hopefully it might be transferable.
I use SSiC too. (Have you tried Cymraeg yet?) :-D I really do think we can forge a team to create a Kernewek course. Just need some willing bodies.
I'm willing, but I am only three lessons deep. And I've no one to practice with. So once I get rolling, I'm going to have to start an online hangout if I want to have anyone to speak with.
What are the Cornish pub chat sessions called again? Yeth an Werin? Anyway, there are no gatherings like that in LA. Thankfully it's the 21st Century. I can work around geography.
No Cymreag as yet. It's on the bucket list, but at the end of the Brythonic languages. I don't know why. I have a Cymro or two in the genetic vindaloo, but I think I am worried that it will strongly influence my learning because the Anglo-Welsh accent is so robust yet I have no idea what a person who speaks Breton sounds like. So, my thinking is that it would be good to learn on a continuum from my least encountered to my most encountered languages. Which is totally silly because I'm probably not ever going to sound like anything other than an English as first language speaker.
I think Cornish on Duolingo would be a fantastic idea, particularly for those of us not able to get to an evening class. I also think it would be great for kids - my younger family members are always fascinated when they catch me learning spanish on my iPad, and want to have a go, so I can see it being a great resource in schools too.
By the way, if you didn't already know, Duolingo already has a Duolingo for Schools program. Be sure to check it out!
The Cornish language is beautiful and I think its so important to preserve it - especially because the Cornish people are being pushed out of their homeland by second home ownership, high unemployment and the cost of living in Cornwall. The Cornish people are gradually being pushed into poor inland towns and villages and the young generations (like myself), move out of Cornwall to pursue work and careers. I wish I could contribute to the course but I don't know the language. However I'd love to do it and be very grateful to people who want to create the course.
You've articulated beautifully why a Cornish course is required - in the meantime you might want to check out this: https://www.memrise.com/course/1569471/learn-cornish-1/
I agree. I have a Cornish mother and extended family still living in Cornwall. I recognise the situation you describe. I expect there are a lot of people like me in England and other places with a sense of ex-pat and blended Cornish identity. Admittedly, there is a potentially ugly side to discussions about who is "authentically Cornish" and who isn't. However, I admire what is happening in Wales around building a progressive, civic-national "Welshness", open to all comers. Language learning by both adults and children is actively encouraged to enable that. I think the Cornish could achieve something similar and a freely available tool for accelerated learning of the language would be a good start.
Has there been any advance on bringing a Cornish language course to Duolingo? :)
Following this thread with interest. Duolingo has helped me to get some exposure to Welsh, learning from scratch with surprising results. I live near London and am aware that there is some ex-pat community building and activity around the language revival. If I could acquire some Cornish using Duolingo I might find it easier to join them. Committing to the time and investment of a language class might seem less of a big step. I have extended family in Cornwall and whilst you could argue they speak a distinct English-Cornish dialect, Kernowek must have disappeared a long time before living memory. Would be good to reinstate it!
Just come across this, yes I know I'm late to the party! However I'd love to learn Cornish!
Can I suggest that any enthusiast promote this on twitter with a link to this thread requesting an upvote and copying @duolingo in. Might help push this to the forefront.
Great idea, Leon — I'd love to, but I'm not on Twitter! Maybe someone out there can help... :o)
I’ve added myself but I’m hoping the more who do the wider audience it’ll reach.
Only currently learning Welsh on Duo but would certainly add Cornish if & when it is added.
Lets face it if they can be bothered to add fictional languages like Klingon & High Valyrian then adding a real language that people want to learn & save from extinction would go some way to proving Duo really cares about language learning rather than promoting gimmick languages in the hope of adview profit.
That's a fair question, considering there are at least 5 different spelling systems in existence!! I would say, though, that the Standard Written Form (SWF) would be the most sensible option. It's intended to be the official form for teaching in schools and for use in public signage etc., and it has the support of Gorsedh Kernow (the Bards of Cornwall), as well as Kesva an Taves Kernewek (the Cornish Language Board), which holds exams in the language. The written form that's most widely used is probably still Kernewek Kemmyn, but there are only minor differences between Kemmyn and SWF (if you can read one, you can easily read the other) and SWF is becoming more and more widely accepted and used — it seems to be the way the language field is moving overall. So that would make the most sense for a Duolingo course.
I would love a Cornish course too! I took lessons several years ago but have forgotten most of what I learnt. I need to practice and Duolingo would be a great medium to use.
I would definitely learn Cornish with Duolingo rather than other educational sources, and Cornish would definitely benefit from inclusion by Duolingo as it would attract the vital younger learners.