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Please understand that I don't want to complain and mean this purely as feedback to the course authors, who have done a tremendously great job with this course.

That said: The skill "Demo" is for me one of the first big roadblocks I hit with every crown iteration[1]. The variety of translations for "this" and "that" that the czech language has to offer is overwhelming, and their subtleties completely lost on me, no matter how often I look them up.

In case the course is being revised at some point, two questions/suggestions:

Do we really need to know all variations? How much would we miss if we only got "ten" and "tento"?

If that's unacceptable (which I'd accept, as I said, I can't remember the subtleties at this point, even if I hope I will one day): can they be spread over the course and not all introduced in one skill?


[1] With "crown iteration" I mean passes through the course. I have about 4/5 of the tree on crown level 1, 3/4 on level 2, less than half on level 3 and am just starting to push the first skills to level 4.

August 5, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/svrsheque

yes, we can spread the demos across more skills. "ten" is already taught earlier than the rest and partly overlaps with THE in addition to THAT. (did you try reading the tips and notes?)

the future staging and simplification of things like the demos will depend on what the team decides. my vote is to teach those that belong in CEFR A1 and bump the rest past the A1 part of the tree.

but this may or may not happen in version 2. we do not want to expose too much work to the A/B testing risk.

August 5, 2018

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Thanks for your answer! Yes, I did read the tips and notes, and they are good. I just find their content very hard to remember all at once, and I immediately forget the nuances.

August 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/KatharinaM882088

I find this skill difficult too. It helped me to consider the word "tam", there: The variations, who begin with tam-(tamten, tamhleten etc.), are referring to something, that is there, not here.

August 5, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/imaldastar

super hard for me too! i can get the hang of one word during a lesson, but forget it immediately and get it mixed up with all the others.

February 28, 2019

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After a year or so, this remains only a small source of confusion for me. Here’s my personal “head game” with the demo pronouns, and it’s been pretty reliable so far:

Basic forms (just ten, etc.) -- “the,” “that,” “those.¨

Prefixed forms (tam-) -- also “the,” “that,” “those.”

Suffixed forms (-to, -hle) -- “this, "these.”

BUT IF

A form contains both -hle/-to AND tam- (e.g., tamhleten)...

The meaning reverts to “the,” “that,” “those.”

That might not be perfect, and I’m occasionally surprised by a “this” appearing in a translation where I didn’t expect to find it, but at least I feel a lot less confused than I did earlier!

March 1, 2019
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