https://www.duolingo.com/ClassicSteven

suggestion for improvement

I think one thing that might help with the Hungarian from English tree would be to introduce fewer new vocabulary words per unit and increase the number of repetitions in each unit. This is definitely the most difficult of the four languages I am learning, and I sometime feel that I have not truly mastered a unit before I am on to the next one. And with the very complex spellings and phonics of the words, I find vocabulary more difficult to master.

I think it would be helpful just to extend the tree a little in this way. The Danish from English tree is like that: fewer new words at a time and more repetitions of the new ones, even though those words are more intuitive for an English speaker. I find that very helpful.

August 6, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/Hubinou

I agree with you that the words learnt in one skill should come back more often in the following lessons (apart from ovónö of course), especially the adjectives.

I find the phonetics and spelling a bit unusual but quite easy in Hungarian since one letter = one sound, something like in Spanish, but not like English where you can't guess the pronounciation from the writing.

August 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3

I think Duolingo's testing has found that more skills with less content per skill works better. The tree updates for some of the most popular trees seem to have moved strongly in this direction.

How much repetition there is per unit is largely up to you though, although I do think it would be nice to have more sentences with each new vocab word.

August 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/BrandedBastard

Try the English course ( https://www.duolingo.com/courses/hu ) together with the Hungarian from English course. I am working on the Hungarian from English tree, and this is much harder for me than the English from Hungarian tree. (i am hungarian)

August 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

Interesting because one of the frustrations for me is the small vocab - which drills over and over. But perhaps less vocab at the start.

August 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ClassicSteven

I'm all for enduring that boredom if it cements the words in my mind.

August 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/peter.kristof.hu

I have the same opinion.

August 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/guntunge

The balance is not optimal. Some words come way way too often, some barely make an appearance and some common, very useful ones are missing altogether.

So I think it actually should be more vocabulary, but it should just replace those that are used much too often.

I would hope that contributors have a counter somewhere in the back-end, a tool that counts how often one word was already in use and a certain minimum for each word should be achieved (and a maximum not exceeded, beside a/az and such unavoidable words of course).

Avoiding testing out you can repeat stuff ad nauseam anyway.

November 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3

a certain minimum for each word should be achieved

A threshold of three sentences is built into the system as I understand it.

November 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/guntunge

That sounds plausible and not like much.
I certainly need more to properly memorize a word. I think some of the adjectives I was introduced here I would not even be able to pick in multiple choice tests, but I want to scream when I see "magas something". Like the course was designed for Texans.

November 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3

I think it's a difficult balance. I would say the Hungarian course didn't really do that great a job selecting the vocab for maximum usefulness. Like, it's great to learn the specific verb for "to play a violin," but I'm not sure hegedül needed to be on of the first few dozen Hungarian verbs I learned. So I don't know that it would be all that beneficial overall to have a bunch more sentences including it.

The more intensively managed courses (e.g. English from Spanish) seem definitely to have gone in the direction of carefully optimized vocab with lots of repetition. It is a good model. Paid teams make it much more feasible I'm sure.

November 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/guntunge

I don't mind slightly niche words, or animal names I did not know in English, resulting in a good mix, but some more important ones are unfortunately missing. eg. kell, tilos, lehet, volna etc

But it will be interesting how it looks in 5years. Let's hope that it matured out of beta phase.

November 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/piguy3

Animal names I kind of like; I found the animal noise verbs a bit excessive for the top half of the tree, though :)

It's remarkable to me that this course is still in beta. There are courses already long out of it that are ever so much worse. This may simply speak to the dedication of the Hungarian learner pool: plunging on despite the obstacles to keep on reporting with significant frequency even into the depths of the tree so as to yield the result of the course never getting below the report threshold for beta exit.

November 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

And the whole of the imperative case!

November 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/guntunge

There was at least add (a kezed) in that one single sentence near the end!

And I believe one other sentence used imperative too.

The reverse tree uses it though!

As someone who likes all sorts of stats, it would be interesting how many people start courses, where they drop out, report numbers etc

November 15, 2018
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