French level 25 achieved!.. and what I think of this milestone.
I am quite happy to finish the French tree. I wanted to share some of my thoughts about the value.
I am not lost in France when speaking with local people. I was even able to give directions to French people in France :).
I can speak at a basic level, but still making some errors.
I am not afraid to start conversation in French when I meet francophone people.
I improved my English, which is not my native language!
Continue polishing my French speaking ability
Work on listening skills. Even in a known context, I have to ask to repeat sometimes.
I do not consider my level fluent. I need to work more, which may take at least one year.
In any event ... cheers!!!
I am still pretty far from Level 25 in French! But I reached Level 25 in Korean so I feel how you feel. Bonne chance in your other languages~
Wow, level 25 in Korean! Great job! I know a guy at my church that speaks fluent Korean. It's crazy, but then again, he works at a Korean company, with my dad.
Thank you very much Jonathan. I tried to learn some Korean in the past, but even now I keep confusing 건배 for 乾杯 - they just sound very similar.
Hi Edgar, this took me exactly one year since I joined DuoLingo. But that was not a pure French effort. I tried to tackle other languages as well. I would say that for French I spent about 7 pure months.
congratulations in finishing your tree.
Q1: How long did it take you? 1 year? 3-6 months?
Q2: Have you used the Duolingo mobile app or the full desktop web portal with typing and Camilo's Tampermonkey user script "Duolingo Tree enhancer" https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/19654789/Userscript-Tree-Enhancer (to activate the French audio)?
Q3: Have you only used Duolingo or any 3rd party flashcard application like Memrise, AnkiSRS, SuperMemo in PARALLEL to practice RECALLING words/phrases in your target language, French?
Q4: What do you like more (on a Duolingo course or both languages in general): Portuguese Brazil or French, especially with Duo's TTS audio system?
You need to add an empty line behind "Achievements:" and "Todos:", then the list bullet formatting feature will work and "-" won't be placed in the middle of your text.
Thank you for your feedback. I appreciate your good questions that may lead to improvements. Also thank you for the formatting tips, I was also wondering about that :). Answering your questions:
Q1: About 7 months took me to reach French level 25. The gross number would about one year, but I filtered out the effort for other languages.
Q2: I used https://www.duolingo.com/ on a regular computer. To be able to use microphone, I had to switch from FireFox to Chrome browser. As for 'Camilo's Tampermonkey user script "Duolingo Tree enhancer"' I would love to learn more.
Q3: I have used only DouLingo. I have not tried yet the applications that you mentioned. I am interested to lean more about them, especially how to enable them.
Q4: Merely by the audio sound, and based on what I tried, I personally like more Italian and Spanish. The audio seems to be clearer. This could be quite subjective though. Portuguese Brazil is also quite clear. French consonants are often garbled and hard to understand. At least this is how I hear them in my environment.
Do you think "Duolingo Tree enhancer" is very useful? It uses Google Translate to generate sound, so I do not think it is such a big advantage.
I am not sure what "Duolingo Tree enhancer" is. In any event, I think that the Doulingo default sound system could be improved.
this is the link: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/19654789/Userscript-Tree-Enhancer
Yes, it uses TTS just like Duolingo's own internal audio system.
But the difference is night and day when Duolingo - by default - does not play the target audio for special challenges, right hand side translations and answers + solutions for multiple-choice questions (all in your target language, e.g French).
So the question rather is: Do you want to have French/Spanish, etc. audio on the web portal, or not.
Thank you Thomas for the link. I think it is time for me to explore some extensions from github.
Congratulations, Duo_Super_Lingo! That is a truly wonderful achievement. I hope to achieve level 25 in German soon.
may I ask you an off-topic?
from which level do you begin to feel comfortable in a language?
I am hoping that I understand your question correctly: at what duolingo skill level do you begin to feel comfortable with a given language?
The short answer: it's relative to each person. The long answer: I have noticed that around level 15 one starts to grasp the basics of the language, with ability to recall on demand some sentences around level 20. However, remember that completion of a skill tree will give one an ability around that of an advanced beginner; there is a lot of vocabulary not taught here, as well as a few minor concepts (ex. diminutives in Italian). When one goes into the world with the knowledge learned here, you will be able to survive; however, here is the beginning of your journey with a newly-gained language.
'Comfort' comes to those who use the language. Read, write, and speak whatever you are learning, as there are concepts that only become conquered when practiced (ex. the latin trill 'r', sentence structure in agglutinative languages such as Dutch, German, and Swedish). Eventually, you'll reach a point where native speakers cannot distinguish one's abilities as a polyglot and tourists are confused by your proficiency. Practice, practice, practice!
I hope I have answered your question.
This is a very hard question. I think that feeling comfortable depends on a personal level. It also depends on the people that are talking to you. There are so many dialects in the same language.
Also, there are many contexts where you can feel comfortable or uncomfortable. For example, you can be comfortable in a store with numerals, but be uncomfortable explaining how to get to a mountain and climb it (including what equipment to use and how to bypass natural obstacles).
I would not give a definite answer to your question, but as a reference, probably level 20-25 would give you some degree of comfort.
Merci beaucoup, wcjerky! I will definitely try to allocate more time to Spanish, Italian and Portuguese. I am also serious about German.
Well done. I lived in France and Turkey and could get by speaking but my written and grammar was poor so Duolingo has been great.
Thank you Sara. You are right - written skills are a bit of a separate subject. DuoLingo helps with it on a very basic level. I think that writing skills are special, and they need to be tackled even on a native language level. I remember when I was a kid, I had problems to write a good letter in my own language!
Oui, je pouvais parler très bien avant Duolingo, mais j'avais oublié la grammaire de mon école sécondaire (lycée en France) francophone à Montréal.
Congratulations! Just reached level 25 myself. :D I feel like I can read a lot of French, but I have no idea if I would be able to speak it, because i have never tried to talk to anyone in French, ever. Cool to hear you can hold a conversation though!
Thank you Fredrikke! Congratulations to you too!!!
You are very right about practicing the language. I noticed that when I am facing a real person all my passive knowledge activates to some extent (like you start to swim when you are in the middle of a lake, and you are not able to swim yet).
Thank you arc! It is also very rewarding. I travel a lot and visit different countries. It is very nice when you have some language options.
Well done! I'm only just diving into the French tree myself (although I do have some French background, and have learned some in school as well as at home), but I'm very much excited for when I'll be able to finish the tree.
Thank you Bethany, I wish you good luck and hope you will find your learning experience rewarding.
Thank you! I'm sure I will. The same to you in all of your future studies.
Was it difficult for you to learn French while trying to learn other languages as well?
Hi Katie, it is an interesting question.
My theory is that languages express something. For example we have something which is A. this A can be expressed as L1, L2, L3, ... LN. You always know what A is. Your native language is say, L1. Now you need to find out how A is expressed in L2, L3, ... LN.
But that's only my theory. In practice, it takes time to associate L2, L3, ... LN with A. I would not say it is easy for me.
What is this "French Tree" that everyone talks about? I am on level 11 and I haven't seen any tree. I regularly use my Android phone and occasionally use my PC.
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding about the level and the tree. I am confused myself. My topic here is about reaching level 25 in French, which I am not sure that it maps directly to a French tree.
Hi, Congratulations on your achievement. I'm new to duolingo and have just started, only at Basics 2 (yes, a long way to go..). I'm curious, what do you mean by reaching French level 25? Are you referring to the free offerings on the main page for learning French? How many levels are there?
From what I understand, to reach a level you need to accumulate a certain number of XPs. The highest level is 25, after which you can continue practicing to maintain you level.