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'van' and 'nincs'

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Hello. I am learning Hungarian and throughout the lessons I have been tripped up by when to use 'van'. I have seen some explanations however I still don't understand. It gets worse as that means that I don't know when to use 'nincs' or just 'nem' so could someone please explain to me when to use and when to omit 'van' please? Thank you. Nem értem, köszönöm.

8/15/2018, 10:18:07 AM

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I do not know the rules, sorry. Maybe this link will help you.

https://hunlang.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/word-order-nem-van-or-nincs/

8/15/2018, 1:01:40 PM

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Thank you as that did clear some things up but I still want to find out when to found out when 'van' can be omitted. How come: 'Az autó elöl van.' (The car is in front.) but 'Az alma piros.' (The apple is red.) and 'A férfi zeneszerző.' (The man is a composer.)? The first sentance has 'is' and includes 'van'; the second and third sentances include 'is' but don't include 'van' and I don't know why.

8/15/2018, 1:29:06 PM

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The exact rule for omitting the "van/vannak":

"van/vannak" is omitted in 3rd Person Indicative Present Tense, except if speaking about where or how something is. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_verbs#van_.28to_be.29) E.g.

Péter orvos . – Peter is a doctor.
But:
Péter jól van. – Peter is well. (how?)
Péter itt van. – Peter is here. (where?)
Péter orvos volt. – Peter was a doctor. (Past Tense)
Orvos vagyok. – I am a doctor. (1st Person)

Update: very interesting using "nincs":
Péter van itt./Péter itt van Péter nincs itt./Péter itt nincs.

8/16/2018, 6:56:23 AM

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Maybe this is a better link: http://www.hungarianreference.com/Van-is-exists-omitting.aspx

I do not understand my mother language, just use it. :)

8/15/2018, 1:37:25 PM

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Thanks! The link was useful and straight forward! Köszönöm!

8/15/2018, 2:39:30 PM

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van: 1/ it is similar to "there is" in English or to "HAY" in Spanish f.e. ma jó idő van = there is a good weather today 2/ it is similar to "have" in English or "tener" in Spanish f.e. van egy kutyám = I have a dog nincs is the opposite of van

8/16/2018, 5:05:46 PM

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And 3/ it is similar to "is", e.g. a szobában van = he is in the room.

8/16/2018, 5:25:56 PM

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But not like "he is happy" which = "Ő boldog". It is used with "is" when there is a position in space - but not when describing what someone/something is.

8/17/2018, 8:00:11 AM

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"Ő boldog".
Yes, we use an adjective, 'van' is dropped.

"A szobában van."
But here we describe a position, 'van' is kept.

As each grammatical description writes different rules, I'm going to show the rules through some examples:

Péter okos. (using adjective)
Péter tanuló. (using noun)
Péter jól van. (how?)
Péter a szobában van. (where?)
Az ebéd hat órakor van. (when?)
A szoba fűtve van. (using "-va/-ve" adverbial participle)
Van Isten! (emphasizing)

Negations:
Péter nem okos.
Péter nem tanuló.
Péter nincs jól. (nincs = nem van)
Péter nincs a szobában.
Az ebéd nem hat órakor van.
A szoba nincs fűtve.
Nincs Isten.

8/17/2018, 1:38:12 PM

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Olyan mondatban, amelyben nem "van", hanem "nem van" akarod írni, írd inkább "nincs" mert "nem van" nincs. "Nincs" pedig van.

Világos.

8/17/2018, 3:04:40 PM

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It is a good wordplay! Congratulations.
(But correctly: Olyan mondatban, amelyben nem "van"-t, hanem "nem van"-t akarod írni, írd inkább "nincs"-et, mert "nem van" nincs. "Nincs" pedig van.)

8/17/2018, 3:48:22 PM

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Köszönöm a javítást.

8/18/2018, 10:21:15 AM

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My explanation: use "nincs" instead of "nem van".
The next question is how to use "van"?
For meanings of "van" see here: https://www.angolszokincs.com/van-angolul.html
(However the main meanings in English: 1. is 2. has 3. there is)
Sometimes "van" has to be omitted, see the rules here: http://magyar-ok.hu/docs/MOK1_grammar_english.pdf on page 11.

8/15/2018, 5:38:29 PM

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Thank you! Köszönöm!

8/15/2018, 6:39:28 PM
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