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'van' and 'nincs'

Hello. I am learning Hungarian and throughout the lessons I have been tripped up by when to use 'van'. I have seen some explanations however I still don't understand. It gets worse as that means that I don't know when to use 'nincs' or just 'nem' so could someone please explain to me when to use and when to omit 'van' please? Thank you. Nem értem, köszönöm.

August 15, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BrandedBastard

I do not know the rules, sorry. Maybe this link will help you.

https://hunlang.wordpress.com/2010/06/03/word-order-nem-van-or-nincs/


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Serban8comp.

Thank you as that did clear some things up but I still want to find out when to found out when 'van' can be omitted. How come: 'Az autó elöl van.' (The car is in front.) but 'Az alma piros.' (The apple is red.) and 'A férfi zeneszerző.' (The man is a composer.)? The first sentance has 'is' and includes 'van'; the second and third sentances include 'is' but don't include 'van' and I don't know why.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/peter.kristof.hu

The exact rule for omitting the "van/vannak":

"van/vannak" is omitted in 3rd Person Indicative Present Tense, except if speaking about where or how something is. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_verbs#van_.28to_be.29) E.g.

Péter orvos . – Peter is a doctor.
But:
Péter jól van. – Peter is well. (how?)
Péter itt van. – Peter is here. (where?)
Péter orvos volt. – Peter was a doctor. (Past Tense)
Orvos vagyok. – I am a doctor. (1st Person)

Update: very interesting using "nincs":
Péter van itt./Péter itt van Péter nincs itt./Péter itt nincs.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BrandedBastard

Maybe this is a better link: http://www.hungarianreference.com/Van-is-exists-omitting.aspx

I do not understand my mother language, just use it. :)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Serban8comp.

Thanks! The link was useful and straight forward! Köszönöm!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/peter.kristof.hu

My explanation: use "nincs" instead of "nem van".
The next question is how to use "van"?
For meanings of "van" see here: https://www.angolszokincs.com/van-angolul.html
(However the main meanings in English: 1. is 2. has 3. there is)
Sometimes "van" has to be omitted, see the rules here: http://magyar-ok.hu/docs/MOK1_grammar_english.pdf on page 11.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Serban8comp.

Thank you! Köszönöm!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Takaaritamo

van: 1/ it is similar to "there is" in English or to "HAY" in Spanish f.e. ma jó idő van = there is a good weather today 2/ it is similar to "have" in English or "tener" in Spanish f.e. van egy kutyám = I have a dog nincs is the opposite of van


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/peter.kristof.hu

And 3/ it is similar to "is", e.g. a szobában van = he is in the room.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Judit294350

But not like "he is happy" which = "Ő boldog". It is used with "is" when there is a position in space - but not when describing what someone/something is.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/peter.kristof.hu

"Ő boldog".
Yes, we use an adjective, 'van' is dropped.

"A szobában van."
But here we describe a position, 'van' is kept.

As each grammatical description writes different rules, I'm going to show the rules through some examples:

Péter okos. (using adjective)
Péter tanuló. (using noun)
Péter jól van. (how?)
Péter a szobában van. (where?)
Az ebéd hat órakor van. (when?)
A szoba fűtve van. (using "-va/-ve" adverbial participle)
Van Isten! (emphasizing)

Negations:
Péter nem okos.
Péter nem tanuló.
Péter nincs jól. (nincs = nem van)
Péter nincs a szobában.
Az ebéd nem hat órakor van.
A szoba nincs fűtve.
Nincs Isten.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jsiehler

Olyan mondatban, amelyben nem "van", hanem "nem van" akarod írni, írd inkább "nincs" mert "nem van" nincs. "Nincs" pedig van.

Világos.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/peter.kristof.hu

It is a good wordplay! Congratulations.
(But correctly: Olyan mondatban, amelyben nem "van"-t, hanem "nem van"-t akarod írni, írd inkább "nincs"-et, mert "nem van" nincs. "Nincs" pedig van.)


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jsiehler

Köszönöm a javítást.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/crazan

"nagyon könnyen fog menni ha ezt megérted!!!!!!!!!!! " it will go very easy if you understand this !!!!!!!!!!!

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