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Should "Вера" decline in this sentence?

Which is correct?

Дженни любит спать, а Вера нет.

Дженни любит спать, а Верe нет.

If Вера should decline, what grammatical rule makes it decline in this instance?

August 16, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LICA98

Дженни любит спать, а Вера нет
Дженни нравится спать, а Вере нет

these both mean "Jenny likes to sleep but Vera doesn't" but the second one is literally like "to Jenny it is pleasing to sleep but to Vera it isn't", so Вера takes the dative case there

Вере is both the prepositional and dative form

August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/C-Thorium-G

Dative; нравится is intransitive, right? And Дженни is indeclinable. Thank you! (I knew I was missing something here. :)

August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LICA98

yeah

August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hubinou

I agree. So in the sentence with любит, Вера remains in the nominative form and unchanged. Right ?

August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LICA98

yes

August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hubinou

Thanks !

August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hubinou

As far as I know, first names follow the general rule, so they follow the declension. Replace вера with пицца and see what it becomes (taking into account that Вера is animate).

Of course in this sentence, Вера is subject and so, remains unchanged :

  • Jenny likes to sleep, but Vera doesn't.

Now, in the sentences :

  • I like Jenny but not Vera. (Vera is object, accusative form)
  • I like Jenny but Vera doesn't (Vera is subject, nominative form)

But, on the other hand, I am a beginner and I can be completely wrong.

August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/C-Thorium-G

My question is why wouldn't Vera (or pizza, or the cat; whatever) remain in the nominative, and wouldn't Верe be the prepositional case?

August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hubinou

Maybe because this is a negation, in which case the genitive must be used...

  • У меня есть кот
  • У меня нет кота
August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/C-Thorium-G

I thought of that, but the genitive form is Веры and accusative is Веру. (I think.) I think Верe is prepositional case...but that makes no sense. Stranger yet, the correct answer on the website does NOT decline Vera in this exercise, but the app DOES. I am very confused.

Here is the discussion for the sentence: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/15913731 You can see it's not declined there, yet the first commenter must be using the app, as they reference Вера being declined as Вере.

August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hubinou

I think it was an error, later corrected.
Вера should remain inchanged IMO since it has the role of the subject in the second part of the sentence.

August 16, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/C-Thorium-G

That also crossed my mind but I just wanted to be sure, as it is not corrected on the app, and Russian has a lot of exceptions. I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

August 16, 2018
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