"Surat-surat dan buku-buku ini punya saya."
Translation:These letters and books are mine.
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Could this also translate to: "I have these letters and books"? i.e. My question relates to the difference between possession Versus ownership.
Saya punya surat-surat dan buku-buku ini = I have these letters and books. Surat-surat dan buku-buku ini punya saya = These letters and books have me. This is how ownership can be expressed in Indonesian. Quite literally the thing has (owns) you. That is how it is expressed. Weird I know, but do not expect everything to be equivalent in another culture. If you accept this as how it is, then there is no problem. Just gotta get your head to learn the way it is :-)
They both seems to have the same meaning, but I think there are slight difference
A and B is mine
A dan B adalah punya saya
I have A and B
Saya punya A dan B
That would be approximately the same semantically, but not pragmatically. Pragmatics is an important part of language which should be preserved as well as possible in translations.
I have these letters and books = saya punya surat-surat dan buku-buku ini
These books and letters are mine = Buku-buku dan surat-surat ini milikku.
Mine: milikku, punyaku, kepunyaan saya, punya saya, milik aku
They are the same.
Kebiasaan orang Indonesia,salah satu nya mendahulukan objek,predikat (kata keterangan) diletakkan di akhir
I gave this as my solution: "These letters and books belong to me" and Duo considered it to be wrong. The correct solution, according to Duo, was: "These letters and books belongs to me."
Duo's solution has bad grammar, however. Because the nouns are plural (with an "s"), the verb should also be plural (without an "s").
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I thought that "mine", "yours" and "hers" or "his" required "milik". What is the difference between milik and punya in this sentence?
"Milik" and "Punya" have the same meaning and can be use interchangeably, but "Punya" is used more common
"Milik" here would be "belong to" (These letters and books belong to me)
"Punya" here, with the things coming before the owner in the sentence, is a little more like "are had by" (These letters and books are had by me)
In both instances, you could say "These letters and books are mine" for a more comfortable (and in the second case, natural) English sentence.
As for a direct translation of the word "mine" on its own, the closest would certainly be "milikku" (milik aku), but I expect even "punyaku" (punya aku) would be understood the same as well.
This is grammarly incorrect. Punya should be replaced by milik in this situation
"These letters and books belongs to me" is a plural possessive that does not seem as correct as 'belong' which returns an incorrect response.
'Belongs' is the singular form of the verb. 'Belong' (no 's') might work.
Why would this not be milikku rather than punya saya ..not sure this one is correct
^NOT A NATIVE SPEAKER: Milikku translates to "....belong to me" Punya translates to "to have" X dan Y punya saya seems to be same as Saya punya X dan Y as seen from this sentence. I guess just like you have X and Y, so do X and Y 'have' you as their owner.
Shouldn't ini be placed after surat too so the person knows I'm talking about THESE letters and THESE books?
^NOT A NATIVE SPEAKER: Milikku translates to "....belong to me" Punya translates to "to have" X dan Y punya saya seems to be same as Saya punya X dan Y as seen from this sentence. I guess just like you have X and Y, so do X and Y 'have' you as their owner.
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I have two things I don't understand. 1. It seemed to me that this sentence meant 'these letters and books have me'. 2. Why isn't it 'kepunyaan' instead of 'punya'? Any help appreciated. cheers Any helpful comments on that will also be greatly appreciated. cheers
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I will try and give an example .. If you are in a range of mountains you are in these mountains, looking at those mountains far away. It is the plural of this (ini) and that (itu) - hope that helps
