https://www.duolingo.com/McPwny

boy this forum is a mess.

there really is an overwhelming multitude of threads talking about music, people complaining that korean is not an easy language, and new people thinking it will be cool to have "study buddies"

where are the threads with questions relating to this language though?

if korean is difficult to you, this is the place to ask questions. if you feel the need to have someone explain things to you, this is the place to ask questions. if you want to talk about music.... this is not the place.

September 7, 2018

22 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/k_fu

I agree with both phopkins and McPwny regarding this issue, but I'd like to add my opinion in to the mix as well.

I get it: learning a language should not be strictly focused on learning and memorizing vocab and grammar, but also rather about interacting with the culture; aka having fun to boost motivation. I agree with this.

And yes, posts need to be substantive, as phopkins said. I also agree with this.

I have no problem with people who like Kpop (or other aspects of culture for that matter) and want to talk about it either. However, I do have a problem with the sheer amount and volume of it that occurs. What ends up happening as a result is the forum becomes cluttered in an educational as well as visual sense. It makes the forum look unprofessional. Now, while I understand it is not Duolingo's responsibility for the forums to be "professional" (as this is a site where not only adults but also young adults and kids learn), I do think there should be an effort to keep things organized, in some fashion, for the sake of learning purposes. Keep Kpop posts organized in one megathread (or something of that nature), keep "looking for study buddy posts" in another megathread, and then this would solve 75% of the forum's mess.

Again, I want to reiterate that I am all for people having fun and wanting to learn the language, but in the current state of affairs, it is unfair for the people that want to learn (typically more serious learners) if the forum continues to be as unorganized as it is now.

September 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/McPwny

im not really sure what those other guys were even trying to say, but this man here summarized what i was getting at perfectly methinks.

September 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Catsy_Brave

Unfortunately users don't have powers to sticky otherwise 500 comment threads about kpop could be a thing. I barely come here because it's like I'm experiencing groundhog day reading the forum.

September 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MasterZsword

I am with phopkins1.

Asking questions should be heavily encouraged. Although most can be searched online, the forums were created with a purpose and I feel some people here can explain grammar rules in a brief yet understandable manner. In that sense, people should be allowed to ask questions. I agree with you on that.

On the other side, I have seen many posts that are simply a fan chat about BTS, EXO, or any other popular kpop groups. While I don't have a problem with people talking about the cultural aspects of a language (which I think your post is trying to stymie, rather than encourage), the forums should be a place where we can continuously relate these topics to the language. Inevitably, what occurs in these fan posts is that they start conversing about their "ultimate bias" and memes amongst others, which can upset some serious learners, not assuming at all that kpop fans are not true learners (though, people could avoid this by not clicking on those posts). Like phopkins1 said, as long as they are substantive, meaningful, no one should really have a problem with talking about things like music. If we're allowed to discuss foreign literature and other media, music ought to be allowed, as long as the posts are meaningful. They all help broaden our minds to different cultures.

September 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/McPwny

im going to have to disagree with both of you in this sense. the internet has quite a surplus of places you can talk to strangers about mutual interests, and there is nothing wrong with that. but the purpose of this place here is to discuss the one thing we all have in common, specifically the one thing we are all here to do; the act of making an attempt to learn to speak Korean.

its time to get productive and start treating this more like a classroom and less like a chatroom.

September 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/MasterZsword

A language is not just about the grammar or vocabulary, but the culture(s) that involves it. I just believe we have the right to discuss the cultural aspects of a language, as long as it is meaningful, relevant, and engaging.

Also, I really don't think the forums should be another "classroom". I believe we have clubs and the actual "classroom" feature for that desire.

September 7, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/xMira_

Is it a classroom though? I think, especially when I used to post here often, I would mainly post little games and things to help encourage learning, and try to steer the K-POP discussion away from just simply that, K-POP, and turn it into, hey, you can learn vocab from all these words your bias group sings. Idk where all of my posts from that time went (I might've deleted them, lol), but I used to, is all.

Also, I've asked a couple different questions (example: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/27918548) that I haven't seen before, and I only get 1 response. I don't see you anywhere answering questions "hundreds of times."

ALSO, it looks to me that all of you complaining aren't doing anything to fix it really. Instead of complaining, you could make a post that you think fits your standards rather than slamming everyone who doesn't.

Overall, I agree (I mean, as always,) with MasterZSword and phopkins.

September 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Catsy_Brave

Previously, phopkins has made several of such kind of posts, but because things don't get stickied here they die. Your posts get buried too, like when you tried to make a game of translating k-pop lyrics. You got almost no responses.

Despite what effort you and others like phopkins may put in, the forum dictates what's popular and that is posts about kpop bands and fanchanting.

September 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ilovejin

Hi!

I know that a lot of people are complaining about how difficult the language is and that kinda gets on my nerves... but you have to make allowances if they are new or on a hard level and you can give them advice.

About music, sighs XD I know this is directed to K-pop fans! Whenever I post I might put a BTS reference or two but the post is never about just music. I am serious about learning Korean and some people think that because I enjoy K-pop I won't take the language seriously. I do. I agree with phopkins1

I respect your opinion and I hope you respect mine :)

Mia xox

September 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Catsy_Brave

But inevitably the post becomes about music.

September 22, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ilovejin

Nope, I am certain all of my posts that are still up have to do with something like a question and a tip and then people in the comment section ask me if I'm an army because of my profile pic. It isn't my fault. I'm here to learn Korean.

October 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/KaiChiu1

I still think we're one of the strongest communities out there. If I ask a language question in any forum here, I always get a very high quality answer within a day of posting.

September 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Jasmin_Brien

i know this is off topic, but DANG KAICHIU1, 31 LANGUAGES?

September 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/xMira_

Yes, especially on the bigger forums. I love this place. ALSO, I agree with Jasmin..

DANG KAICHIU1, 31 LANGUAGES?

September 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/RoseBTSarmy

I don't wanna come off rude but 31 languages? What for? No really I'm just interested. I'm glad you want to learn more but if it's me, my brain is gonna be splattered into confusion... But that's cool if you can do it.

September 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/KaiChiu1

For no reason other than because it is fun!

September 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/RoseBTSarmy

Oh ok. That makes sense. :)

September 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/YoongMin-Life

yea it does

September 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Fi-shoe

I mean, if it can enbroaden your skills in a certain language then I'd encourage talking about whatever subject in that language. You can also make friends this way

September 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Suga342

I agree with phopkins1

September 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/AmandaVoug

Also, if you don’t want help with Korean, unenroll.

September 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/daKanga

Hello everyone. Thank you for this discussion.

Please , could you follow also the advice in:

We really appreciate your assistance, and the important role you play also in ensuring our community follows the guidelines https://www.duolingo.com/guidelines .

Thank you, each of you, for the significant role you play in making this community a place appropriate and safe for language learning. And assisting in keeping discussion on topic, and moving discussion to be on focus for language learning.

The significant role you play, it is noticed and greatly appreciated by our community. Thank you.

September 13, 2018
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