https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Muhammed_POLAT

geschlossen sein/haben

I noticed that in some sentences, somehow, the passive verb " geschlossen " takes 'sein' while it takes 'haben' in others. Could someone explain the difference between them to me?

For instance;

Das Restaurant wird geschlossen sein. Sie wird die Tasche geschlossen haben.

September 10, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jileha

German past participles can function as adjectives. The same is true for English: the restaurant is closed. He has closed the restaurant.

Das Restaurant ist um diese Uhrzeit immer geschlossen (adj). Der Besitzer hat das Restaurant gerade geschlossen (“proper” past participle verb). Das geschlossene Restaurant...

Sie hat ihre Tasche vorhin geschlossen (verb), deshalb ist die Tasche jetzt geschlossen (adj).

September 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Semeltin

Das Restaurant hat um diese Uhrzeit immer geschlossen works too because "geschlossen haben" is used for stores and restaurants etc.

September 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jileha

Indeed, but I think introducing the two idiomatic expressions “offen/geschlossen haben” with a limited scope of use might confuse the situation a tad. And it doesn’t help to explain the example with the handbag.

September 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Muhammed_POLAT

And then we can say that if the subject is me or anybody else alive (then it goes active verb), we use "geschlossen haben" meaning "to have closed" in English. On the other hand, if the subject is any other object ( then it goes passive verb), we use "geschlossen sein" meaning "to be closed" in English. Am I correct in what I am saying?

September 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Jileha

I would use the following considerations instead since the haben/sein - verb/adjective distinction is generally true, not just for “schließen”:

If the sentence describes the state of something/someone using a past participle, use “sein”.

If the sentence describes the action of somebody/something having done something in present/past perfect, use “haben”.

Er ist geschafft. Er hat es geschafft. - he is beat/exhausted. He has done it (succeeded).

Er ist ernannt. Er hat sie ernannt. - He is nominated. He has nominated her.

September 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Muhammed_POLAT

Thank you so much.

September 11, 2018
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