https://www.duolingo.com/Konrad...

Why care about streaks so much, it's what you have learned, that is what counts.

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I do keep my streak maintained, but its only because I learn every day, what really counts to me is the fact that I have competed level 25th in three languages, lost streak will never change it.

I see many people here having 1000 streaks and often they haven't achieved even a half of what I have done. Focus on building up your knowledge, that is all you need to do, besides, doing 20 or 50 points a day will never get you anywhere.

What I am trying to say to all of you is the fact that streaks come on its own if you continue learning, so its easy and this is not a valuable reason to be proud. Be proud of points, completed levels and number of crowns, that is what will really motivate you.

5 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Cipoll

I think it's just a matter of motivation :) Everyone has their own pace and method. I've been on and off here on Duolingo, so I don't really care about streaks. For some people on the other hand, it's actually helpful to have something to keep you engaged - and if that something is keeping up with their streak, good for them! They're still learning and exercising!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NtateNarin
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I agree that for some people, it's motivation. I remember being proud of my A+ when I was young and showing it off to my mom. Sure, it's what I learned that matters, but I really liked that A+ as I worked really hard for it. As for streaks, I don't really pay attention to it as I just do Duolingo every day. In fact, I didn't realize I passed 3 years until someone mentioned it.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ignatznkrazy
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Duolingo is just one platform with limited ability to teach advanced concepts. Reaching level 25 says a lot about one's dedication or persistence but not that much about how much one actually knows. I got to level 25 in Spanish years ago, and since then, I've learned more Spanish outside Duolingo than I ever did with the program.

What you can glean from someone's profile maybe misleading. I have a long streak, but the majority of my Spanish learning is done with radio, TV, novels, and other people, so when I lose my streak, it won't change anything about my approach to learning.

One might also look at my profile and assume I'm learning multiple languages, but that would be incorrect. Anything I've done on the platform has been in service of learning the only language I'm interested in achieving fluency in.

Different people have different goals.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lakie2016
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Why would you learn multiple languages to achieve fluency in one language?

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ignatznkrazy
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Learning other languages from Spanish has improved my Spanish. I've done the Catalan, Guaraní, Portuguese, French, and English courses all from Spanish. Using Spanish as a base language gave me more practice with it in a variety of different grammatical scenarios. Also, going through the Catalan and Guaraní courses allowed me to practice features of other dialects--like getting used to vos, which will be handy when I go to Central America, but isn't used in Mexico, which is the variety of Spanish I most frequently interact with.

Duolingo is a limited platform, but with some ingenuity, one can get a tiny bit more out of it. I'm sure most long-time users have similar tricks.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lakie2016
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Thanks for explaining. Yours is a more advanced version of the strategy many, including me, are using by doing the reverse tree.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/exp271828
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An example of multiple languages - my main focus right now is German, so I'm maintaining German from English, and have begun English from German (reverse tree) and Spanish from German (laddering).

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SuperLearner007
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Some might be just for fun, or do you think I'm actually learning 14 languages to be fluent in all? I only study German, Czech, Japanese, Polish and Swedish. I'm not actually learning Portuguese, Spanish, English (I am native in these), Catalán, French, Italian, Korean, Dutch and Chinese.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PaulEres1

i once read a book on learning languages called 'how to learn any language' or something like that. he talks about how some languages you flirt with, some you date, and some you marry (learn all the way to fluency). doing a few levels in a language in duolingo for fun is sort of just like flirting with the language, to see if it's something you'd enjoy learning.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Giovanna-Louise
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love your definition..(from the book you've mentioned) and find it very very accurate in my experience it is exactly like that.. I tested learning (flirted with ,by your definition ) about 8 different languages in my life at certain stages.. Out of those 8 "romantic interests" i continued "dating" only 3 languages French, Italian , and Spanish languages ,all three of them I will continue to full fluency.. (Russian is an exception ,I did not choose it ,I am already fluent in it,as I grew up there up to certain age).. All other 3 are hereditary to me...(ancestry)

interesting concept..

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lakie2016
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By that analogy , you are already married ( to Russian) and you plan on marrying three more (French, Italian, Spanish)! In other words, you are planning polygamy!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SuperLearner007
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Hahaha! That's true. I don't think they're available for marriage though. Many people have already married them....

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SuperLearner007
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Cool!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Emmeline856

I learned more in 30mins of having an actual conversation entirely in Swedish than I had done in the (then-roughly) 1,000 days I had spent on here prior to that.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/GeneralGinne

To be fair, level 25 on Duolingo doesn't mean any more or less than a 1000 day streak. I mean, in that case, are you actually fluent in the languages you've studied to the 25th level? That's the question. Just because you finished a language on Duolingo doesn't mean you're fluent, or anywhere near it. In fact, if Duolingo is your primary source of learning, then I guarantee you're nowhere near fluency. So...let people be proud of their streak in peace, just like you're proud of your Duo level.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Motivation looks the same on the inside of the brain, whether it comes from a streak, a level, or a tree. Congrats on getting 3 level 25s and 3 trees.

Why care about streaks so much, it's what you have learned, that is what counts.

What counts is what counts. Not everyone here is for the same reason. So, taking a swipe at people who values streaks is a bit of a pet peeve of mine.

I once cared very much about streaks because I have a brain injury which interrupts my ability to remember things. What I learn, there is a good chance that I will forget again and again and again. What does one do when a task is never done despite effort? They quit or they find new ways to motivate themselves. My streak helped motivate me to keep coming back. While the knowledge would disappear, the streak continued increasing. And, that was pretty cool to see everyday. It gave me a secondary reinforcement.

I stuck with Duolingo for just shy of a 1,000 day streak. Along the way, I donated thousands of hours to moderating, onboarding, website and feature design, the original guides that ended up inspiring people to build a 900 page wiki, consulting on the guidelines and codes of conduct. I've worked with course contributors behind the scenes. And now, Duolingo has just become a part of my life outside of keeping a streak. If I hadn't been motivating myself with the streak, I would have wandered off a long time ago.

There is nothing wrong with valuing a streak. And, there is nothing wrong with valuing it more than other things offered on this website. There are millions of people on Duolingo. We aren't all here for the same things. Some people aren't here for the language aspect at all even.

As for numbers, we can't look at numbers and know what a person has learned or even what they've accomplished. I've completed the Spanish for English and English for Spanish courses both multiple times and even deleted and restarted them a few times over the last five years. And, I've gotten to use the little bit that I've learned in important ways, like helping someone find a blood donor. I couldn't have done it if I had wandered off and not returned. So, kudos to my valuing the streak and the streak keeping me around.

I no longer personally need a super high streak to keep me coming back. But, I used to. And, I don't look down on that. It did exactly what I needed it to do for me.

Your achievements are important, as is your motivation. I want to validate that. And, I hope that while you celebrate your achievements, you can do so in a way that doesn't make others feel like theirs is somehow less than yours.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lakie2016
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I am really impressed! I am sure all of us here owe you a lot for your contributions to duolingo. You have turned your injury which could have been a handicap to a force driving you to what, in my opnion, are superhuman efforts and achievements.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/merkavar

People have different goals, different motivations.

Not that difficult to understand :P

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SuperLearner007
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I do agree, but a streak is a way of motivating learners.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/lizsue
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It's also a way to encourage people to practice every day, instead of cramming the same amount of practice into a weekend.

Sleep helps the brain store memories in the long term. :) That's why practicing 10 minutes a day for 5 days (and having 5 nights of sleep to go with the practice) helps more than practicing those 50 minutes on only 1 day (and having only 1 night of sleep to go with the practice). ;)

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Karmagith
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You have no idea what people with streaks of 1000 have done really, unless you see what they have worked on outside of duolingo. Duolingo is only about 20% or less of my language study personally

Otherwise I agree

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/NtateNarin
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Me too. Sometimes it looks like I only do 20 XP in one day, but that's because I spend the rest of my time on Memrise, Babbel, Rosetta Stone, reading French articles, or watching French YouTube videos.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Hxvan.
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In my opinion: I do care about my streak because, that helps me to study languages every day. But if I lost it(someday I will lose it) I simply start other again.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PaulEres1

i agree somewhat but i want to strongly disagree with one point -- the "doing 20 or 50 points a day will never get you anywhere." -- i found the opposite to be true. i used to do hundreds of points of duolingo a day. and then i wasn't getting anywhere. then i reduced that to 10 or 30 points a day, and started using other resources (videos on youtube, other apps, books, reading native materials, etc.), and it was then that i started really improving in my language skills. i'd even say that doing 100+ points a day on duolingo, while doing nothing else, is what will never get you anywhere.

like right now i'm only level 14 in spanish, haven't even finished the complete tree, and yet i can read native spanish materials and play through videogames in spanish (with looking up words occasionally), and have had conversations with native speakers in spanish on facebook. people doing just duolingo for 100s of points a day, and who didn't do anything outside of that, aren't at that level. so it's not the points or levels that matter at all.

what helped me the most btw is using anki and going through the most common 5000 spanish words by using a pre-made anki deck. i found that far more useful than duolingo when it comes to learning spanish vocabulary. often my day was like... 20 minutes of duolingo, 30 minutes of anki, 30 minutes of clozemaster, an hour of watching spanish lesson videos on youtube (e.g. butterfly spanish), and then two hours of reading/watching/playing native materials and looking up words that i don't know.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MissClawful
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Congrats on being smarter than the average bear.

This topic even if not realized seems to be a way to boost yourself and put down others at the same time for their achievements, or their lack of, given how you've done better in less amount of streaks than those at 1000, thus thinking you are making yourself feel even more special. Your streak is already very high, and so long as you don't miss any days, it will one day be 1000, just like those you knocked down in saying are only half as achieved in language as you are at your current level.

It'd be like me and anyone else coming in suddenly at that time and creating a topic about people like you that are so much higher than me on streaks and saying without having any real proof of what one individual really knows, I have such and such amount of completed levels, and know so much and those like Konrad... that are over 1000 have nothing on me. But let me try to pretend this topic is about motivation. I'm going to pat myself on the back one more time and tell everyone all about it while making others feel like crap for their accomplishments.

It's one thing to be proud of one's achievements, but knocking someone else for theirs doesn't look good. You can pretend you are trying to be inspirational on the whole "it's what you have learned, that is what counts" thing, but in the other sentences included, you just achieved the opposite with some handful (most likely more) of those that worked their butts off to get to a thousand, but still going is slow for them (for whatever reasons, be it slower to grap whatever it is they are tackling or other things in life distracting them, whatever, could be anything) You don't have any clue as to how much those 1000+'s have accomplished. Like yourself, they are learning. Okay, maybe you are a super fast learner, great, but that doesn't mean that they aren't learning either.

Everyone has different ways of learning as well as learning at different paces. Please, be respectable about that.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda7Italian

Miss Clawful. Sorry but I find your response unnecessarily unkind to a fellow student. We are all proud of what we achieve and we should be able to voice it. Why not! From "Hey I've reached 7 days" is as relevant as "Hey I've done 1000 days". I personally found nothing showy in Konrad's post and with a generous spirit I personally wish him well with his streak, as I do you with yours. Happy learning...

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamKean
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I wish Konrad's post had as generous a spirit as you have Linda.

I personally found nothing showy in Konrad's post

I see many people here having 1000 streaks and often they haven't achieved even a half of what I have done.

They are a number of words I could use to describe that, but I'd like to stick with showy.

As you have wished Konrad and MissClawful I would like to wish you happy learning, Linda. My twin brother is learning Italian on Duolingo as well, so on his behalf as well as mine I wish you all the best.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ken482461
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The problem with communicating in written form with people we do not know and people from different cultures and backgrounds is that we interpret what is written in the way we normally think and speak in our respective areas of the world. I have read Konrad's post and did not see anything condescending or insulting to other students and that is why I can agree with Linda7's post. On the other hand when I look at MissClawful's and AdamKean's reactions I can also understand their points of view. What it all boils down to is for us to just read what is written, without interpreting with too much negativity.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ngraner42
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There must be a 1000 different ways to use Duolingo. I am currently working on keeping my streak alive. It is an easy goal to focus on. But does it really matter. My goal is learing French and Duolingo is now only a small portion of my effort in that direction.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda7Italian

I agree Konrad. But motivation comes in many forms. Well done on your achievements!

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ash.Purple

Is the reverse tree still difficult after completing the Italian tree? I had to stop to continue the regular tree, but I don't know what to expect when I go back to the reverse tree.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda7Italian

Ciao Ash. Purple. I'm doing the reverse tree (Italian to E). The Level 1 was very easy so I "keyed" to Level 2. Suddenly it's catching me out with words long forgotten, so now I'm slowing down a little. It's a really excellent way of "thinking Italian" and I'm loving it.

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https://www.duolingo.com/tachy90
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I mean, learning another language was always the goal, but you would not believe how many projects i've started and had to abandon due to procrastination. The streak represents a time investment; i know it's a silly number that doesn't really mean anything, but it just gives me that little extra incentive i need to keep me studying and practising, which actually makes a world of difference.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/-HoneyCakes-

So true.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/SunnySundquist

The only reason for me is the motivation to study every day. I have lost my streak a couple of times, when traveling abroad, but only because I couldn't connect to wifi or data. No big deal, so I start over. Still never want to miss a day...

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/MeansToAnEnd

I respectfully disagree with what you wrote. Many here have already said much of why your argumentation is not accurate so I wont repeat them. I do think however the downing of streaks is a bit harsh and not well thoughout considering how much streaks play an important role in all of our lives. The workers at a company who reach their monthly goals will work even harder to keep that momentum going into the upcoming months. How do people feel to be part of a branch of a company that has been the top one in something for 6 months straight? They feel motivated and proud. They want to work harder to keep it going and watch that must closer to what they and their co workers are doing to not lose the edge. The professional or high school sports team who starts or ends the year with an undefeated streak will play harder to keep it going. It also raises moral. We remember boxers of the past for going unblemished in career or who reigned in a division and push others to break their record. A person who was never a day late for work might not have been the best worker but they placed value and pride in always being on time each day. A service that advertises their always on time with the record to prove it, may not make them the best at what they do but reliable. The list goes on.

With all that said. I have gone to language school for deutsch and knew it before joining duolingo. My knowledge is well beyond where I am on my language tree. However I still like having my streak just to see how long I can keep it. It not only shows my club members im here and active each day, it is also a great way to motivate others. Make them more willing to post questions for help knowing someone could give them a quick reponse in the club and it wont take 3 days. Whether that 'streak' illusion is just smoke in mirrors or not. When Im speaking fluent in my club some could think my streak and use of duolingo got me there and they themselves then work to a similar streak and try to learn on duo even more because of it.

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https://www.duolingo.com/ISpeakAlien
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Sounds like you would like this feature that was suggested recently:

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/28780573

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Songve

Not even thoughts mean anything unless you choose to give them meaning. I don't think much about that which is accumulative. I tend to think more about that which is decreasing daily: "Next Level". What an elegant ballet ensues as the number gets smaller and smaller until one day it suddenly gets real big and increases another number by one that is limited to 25.

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KatinkaHin

ciao l have a score of more than 50 a day because l love learning

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https://www.duolingo.com/izhan104

You are right

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https://www.duolingo.com/Yusuf_Kha
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Interesting observation...

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https://www.duolingo.com/-HoneyCakes-

This is SO true! I agree, as I just focus on learning the language, but sometimes it's fun to see how long you have practiced with a streak. As far as I know, no other language site does the streaks.

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https://www.duolingo.com/lakie2016
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The streak is like a rope which keeps pulling you back from your wanderings to your language learning.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Ken482461
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I totally agree with you! For me it is much more interesting and motivating to hear how those who have 100+ days streak, speak the respective language(s).

5 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aliyah_lele

i think it makes it fun and exciting that's just my opinion

5 months ago
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