Started My Reverse Tree - Some Observations
I just started my reverse tree last night, but only spent 5 or 10 minutes blasting through the first 3 lessons (lol). Some things I noticed that are different from Spanish from English are:
There are no special characters on screen when typing answers. I am guessing the assumption is that the person studying english would have their computers set to their native language and would already have these characters. I think DL should consider showing them in a reverse tree since a lot of people do reverse trees.
The audio phrases are defaulted to slow speed. This is the opposite of when learning spanish from english. I think it should be set the same for both, or at least make it an option. I would have liked to have the spanish delivered at slow speed by default, but the english delivered at high speed, since the english audio (in a reverse tree) is almost useless :)
No flag or indication (icon or similar) that you are doing a reverse tree i guess it would be cool to have a little icon to show others that not only did you/are you studying spanish, but that you completed the spanish tree and are now doing a reverse tree.
EDIT: I just posted in the english from spanish foro, and I have a bandera y mi nivel! lol dos!
- 4 hearts instead of 3 - no complaints here :)
Just some of the stuff I noticed so far. If anyone reading this has completed a reverse tree, can you outline the specific benefits to your spanish study? Thanks.
Only the Basic skills should be slowed down by default. After those, the audio will probably start playing normally again.
Have you tried changing your keyboard layout? You can find instructions here: http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/Guide_to_keyboard_layouts_and_input_methods
Ah ok, yeah I am still way at the top - I didnt take the placement test, on purpose.
Yes, the slow audio and the 4 hearts are features of the basic lessons in every tree. Once you go further, the audio will be normal speed and you'll only have 3 hearts.
4 hearts instead of 3 - no complaints here :)
It's actually like that for the first few lessons, even on the normal tree. Same with the slowed voices, duolingo found these things to be more effective in keeping people learning :D
I guess I just don't remember it from when I started my regular tree, it was back in august of last year, lol
Yeah, they always start new addition with a specific bunch of people, then they spread it out to everyone. I usually don't get the tests for some reason.
What I'm saying is it isn't a new feature.
I've been around for 320 days, and DL has been around for 688 days. This means based on my experience alone, nearly half (46%) of DL's life, it was worked this way.
Also, here is a link marked one year ago with people discussing the 4 hearts. https://www.duolingo.com/comment/34915
I think a lot of people don't notice it though (or forget :))
I recommend to anyone (especially a native speaker of the 'to' language) to 'turn off speakers' in settings for the reverse tree.
You really don't need the listen and type exercises in English nor for the computer to read the sentences in English to you :)
How does one get a reverse tree? Is it something that you don't get till you finish your normal tree or do I have to just switch to Spanish or something.
Just switch from "learning Spanish from English" to "learning English from Spanish". (Click the flag next to your user name, select "add a new course", choose "I speak Spanish" from the dropdown menu, then choose the English course).
Now that I am in reverse, I have access to the English from Spanish forum and I have been snooping around and reading to see what I can understand, etc. It's amazing how similar the the problem areas are for the native spanish speakers learning english as it is for the opposite. I had firsthand experience with this because mi novia es de Peru, and her english is ok (I got her to take the duo course, she loves it) but as I read these threads I was like wow.
I just 're-restarted' the reverse tree. I didn't want to test out, or use check-points either, so as a compromise, I have just been 'testing out' of each skill. I feel this gives me a good introduction to the material that was taught, and I get a chance to read sentence comments from each skill.
Have you noticed the more frequent use of the object pronouns. It seems they were being presented early on. Also the use of the imperative or command type statement seems to be more common. I haven't reached that skill in the Spanish tree yet. I really struggle with reading the discussions because my Spanish is pretty weak. I try but usually end up copying and pasting into google translate to get a better idea. I have unexpectedly learned some foul language by doing that. :-( I just finished the skill set "Fechas" You will get to learn the word for autumn/fall.! So far i am enjoying it.
not yet, I am still in basics, but thats exactly why i skipped the placement test (at someones advice) they said you will firm up Obj P's and other verb tenses, as the site thinks its asking a native speaker. I plan to pass the first checkpoint tonight. Skip google and translate at SpanishDict.com - sooooo much better! Lol yeah, otoño.
Yep, now I see what you mean. There was an early Object Pronouns lesson, and even though I am still in relatively basic stuff in the upper part of the tree, DL is sprinkling in object pronoun based sentences, which is great for me. I need to practice this type a lot, but I am already getting better :)