https://www.duolingo.com/steven.mich

New French Tree - are some Notes/Tips missing?

My French tree of roughly 70 some lessons was recently replaced with a new tree of 120 lessons. I have adjusted to losing a number of crowns during the change, and am working my way through the new lessons practicing/ reviewing skills. But after the lesson on "Leisure", which I believe is number 38, none of the lessons in my new tree seem to have tips/notes. Very sad about this, as the tips and notes have helped me a great deal in the past to learn grammar and improve my fluency. Does anyone know why this has happened, and if there is anything I can do about it? Thanks so much for considering this post. I love learning French on Duolingo.

October 2, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/Lemniscatarum
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I don't have the Staff Tree myself but I've heard that there aren't any T&N on the later skills of that tree. But if you want the old Tips and Notes, find someone with the old French tree, type their name in duome.eu like duome.eu/username/progress, scroll to the bottom, and you'll see a tab saying "Tips and Notes".

October 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Carmen807459
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I still have Tree 3. You can use my username. I copied and pasted them into a word document, so that I don't lose them when I'm upgraded. The doc was 127 pages long!

October 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ljredux

One of the contributors said yesterday that users may be allowed to choose between Tree 3 and the Staff Tree soon. I hope they are right.

I got this wrong. Please read the replies.

October 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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@ljredux

Quote: ...that users may be allowed to choose between Tree 3 and the Staff Tree soon

You are refering to this comment: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29069435$comment_id=29102322

Technically this is hopefully possible.

Well, you know, this was not exactly said when the moderator CommeuneTexane was answering a question from a user who is still on the old/stable tree2 and asked if he/she will be part of the tree3 or tree4 A/B experiment anytime soon...

Once staff made tree3 stable, all users would be switched (forced) over from tree2.

Hopefully they will add two opt-in A/B tests as I had seen it with the "crown update" in Feb/March 2018.

I agree with you, this would be good.

Personally I have ZERO interest to lose and available "grammar skills" from tree3!

I would appreciate it if I would stay on contributor tree3 and wait for a merged future tree5++..

Yes, I would also be interested to see the new A1 CEFR skills from skill4 at a later time.

Personally I don't think it is really required to totally re-work skill4 or remove previous available skills, as staff had done it for several skill names or skill count (e.g grammar skill x 1-3 -> single skill), just to add new A1 CEFR skills.

What will we be doing if a new tree5/tree6 gets rolled out with added A2 CEFR content?

October 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ljredux

I agree with you Thomas. After seeing many of the errors associated with the Staff Tree I don't think any learners should be exposed to it unless they specifically asked to be alpha testers.

I don't think the Staff Tree is ready for use in an A/B testing environment at all.

October 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

Sorry I wasn't very clear. I meant that we will all be migrated over to one tree or the other in the near future. I don't think there will be an option to choose, however.

October 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/ljredux

It's OK. It's likely I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have been. Sorry for giving the wrong impression.

ETA: I just edited my reply above so nobody else gets the wrong idea.

October 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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French trees explained (by moderators/contributors): https://www.duolingo.com/comment/29069435

All "Tips and Notes" collected on one page: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29077467$comment_id=29084721

New French tree - ouch!: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/29011235

See the comments and linked threads (incl. two offical staff replies).

October 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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Quote Steven.mich: ...if there is anything I can do about it?

My plan is to print a "Tips and notes" PDF from the MANY available grammar notes from my French tree3 as long as I have it (most of the time EN-PT or PT-DE trees are active as I do not really actively learn French at the moment).

As it is probably copyright material by contributors / Duolingo I somehow have to make sure if it is allowed to be shared, where to put it online or how to link it.

The best would be that staff or contributors do it for themselves so I do not have to seek for any permission and I won't personally run into any not forseen issues or complications myself.

October 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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I asked contributors: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29069435$comment_id=29098282

I am not sure if this thread will also get staff's attention, but we could link to it in the other 2-3 French threads (with two offical replies from Duolingo staff).

October 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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Good news!

SHOF Duome.eu French tips and notes

65 (-1) cached (html formatted) grammar notes for your English->French tree:

https://www.duome.eu/tips/en/fr

[NEW FEATURE] Duome.eu shows "tips and notes" for multiple language trees incl. not active courses: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29385314

October 30, 2018
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