https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OkLGXM

Finally finished Japanese golds

I was mainly interested in how this was being taught along with content. I tested out of it all, so obviously I am not at the level it is geared toward.

I feel while like this course is maybe misleading to people who think they will be anywhere close to fluent by the end of it, it isnt the worst way to start. The issues of translation error are getting better, but still needs work. Kanji are an area that could add quite a bit to this course, especially the first 200-300. The voice needs quite a bit of work. Intonation errors and the like are pretty common. The mix of polite and down right rude mixed here and there is really weird. The vocabulary could be expanded significantly to more useful words, and the whole otaku/olympic sections should be moved to a subsection that people who are interested could buy. The house cleaning, school and work themes are often weird and not very useful. Teaching people how to express dislikes in a polite way would be better, especially for the poor Japanese who may be on the receiving end of it. As the culture is pretty important, more integration would be a good idea as well.

Expanding to reading and stories like Spanish has would make this much more fun for intermediate students. Maybe even an attempt at adding humor would be a nice touch.

October 6, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/stephen_zissou

I am using Duolingo, Memrise, and Lingodeer, and watching Samurai Gourmet on Netflix. Hopefully this will help me progress to the point that I am reading easy Manga and communicating with Japanese people :-).

October 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OkLGXM

Actually, just try your Japanese and have fun with it. For me at least, trying to speak was the hardest thing because you are worried about mistakes.

October 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hybryda_

try apps like Kanji tree - so far I find it great for learning new words and well kanji, both how to read them but also how to write them (if I know how to write it helps me to remember better, tho in current age it's not essential)

October 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MDT3030

I've used all of the same study programs, but Duolingo was the only one I really liked using. I also just finished Samurai Gourmet yesterday. There were actually a few episodes that I understood really well without subtitles. I think Netflix may turn out to be one of the most important study tools a Japanese language student can have.

October 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LukeGompertz

To explain the limit in scope: this is only the first version of the Japanese tree. It only covers JLPT5 so far, but the contributors are actively working on bringing that up to JLPT4 for the next update.

October 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hybryda_

Oh I just hope that this plus some kanji learning apps will let me start reading children books. Then I will learn it organically like I did english back in the day (tho I watched some musical few days ago w/o subs and was able to sometimes get what they were talking about, it was small joy but morale went UP)

The things that is the most irritating is when silly mistakes when giving english response are so penalizing (like the missing the and a, an X"D)

October 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OkLGXM

I would not recommend trying to read children's books only because the vocabulary would be a hurdle and it would be slightly less useful than what you could otherwise focus on. If I were to do it over again, I would try to stick to easier manga. The stories are pretty easy to follow and there is enough info out there to fill in gaps. Look for stories that seem interesting enough to keep you motivated that also have furigana(hiragana over kanji). I dont know your native language, but realize that culture is pretty important in understanding the actual meaning. If you can find japanese tv on the internet, I would recommend watching as much as possible. You will find the voice on duolingo to be really inaccurate in terms of inflection, meaning and occasionally pronunciation. You will need something to supplement grammar as there are quite a few important things that this app doesnt bother with.

In the end, dont give up.

October 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hybryda_

Yeah, I was thinking about mostly manga, tho there is a series of teen books I just want to read for years now. Vocabulary being a hurdle is the point tho. When I was learning English I had dictionary next to me, and after checking the word for nth time I noticed that I started to remember it. (also I'm using kanji app that promises to teach you over 2k kanji so there's that). That is just the way I learn the best, it worked with English so why not do it with another language (it was a mix of comics and movies as I was too lazy to look up the subs X"D)

Yeah I know, the culture is the think that pushed me into learning this crazy language (it's so far removed from others I know that yeah, all new way of thinking)

I'm Polish so there is one plus in learning - as far a I checked all the basic sounds are near the same that we have (english is harder for me to enunciate correctly)

oh and grammar is easier - the whole rules when you use は が を に and so on it's usually explained in one two words in polish as we have similar concepts (I was struggling with one or two, then just checked in polish and woila, no more problems X"D)

I have like 2-3 books in polish and dictionary but I have hard time learning from them (so I just use them as supplementation)

October 6, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Spaceboy318

I've been trying out a few language learning apps for Japanese, and this one does seem distinctively different. I enjoy the UI and how quick the lesson go by. However, I had no idea that I was learning was bad mannered. Granted, I'm not too far in so relearning the well-mannered versions should not be too bad.

October 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OkLGXM

Well, as a general rule, stay away from きらい ie 'hate' unless you are in a really friendly situation, preferably no geared towards a host family. Also いいですcould be rude depending on how you say it. Mainly, there are quite a few sentences that mix up levels of politeness that sound unnatural, rude or even funny.

October 8, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SandyBridge

Specifically in regard to kanji: I don't know what the test-out experience is like. I am moving forward the normal slow way. When I get stuck and frustrated, I sometimes re-do the earlier lessons.

What I find is that each time I re-do a lesson, and advance the "crown", it seems to generally add more kanji. So doing Transport at crown level 1 might be zero kanji, but at level 2 they would add 電車 and expect me to match it to でんしゃ for example.

I'm wondering if this would be the level of kanji you think people need. If so, then the advice (within Duolingo) might be to re-do the lessons at higher "levels" once you're confident.

October 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OkLGXM

Because I just tested out of each level 1-4 till I got gold, I don't know that I noticed the progression. If anything, having to read in hiragana makes it more difficult because there is no deliniation of words. I think each level past hiragana and katakana would benefit from a Kanji section. The level of Kanji that I think would be a good base is the first 200-400 of the Jouyou Kanji.

October 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/OkLGXM

To clarify, I don't know how they introduced those Kanji but I expect they figure you can eliminate the possibilities. I don't think that's a good way to learn them at all. The first issue is that lots of Kanji can look very similar. It is somewhat necessary to go from simple to complex just to build up the skill of differentiation. The other problem is that the same Kanji can have many many readings. It's confusing to learn for example 日 as in ひ then learn 日曜日 にちようび、with no introduction. This is compounded by the fact that the voice reads it ひ よう ひ, which is simply wrong.

The level of Kanji should be at the very least, high enough at the end of program to test out of the reverse section, like English from Japanese.

October 13, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hybryda_

yeah, that's why it's good to get your kanji from different course

Kanji tree is good free one for android, but there is also wanikani, tho only part is free (but it will teach you kanji in best way)

October 13, 2018
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