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- "Naat'áaniinééz góó déyá."
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Yay! Also, is this beta because the spelling of Shiprock keeps changing...
Would be nice to know. I would hope that this course won't get out of beta without audio being provided!
Naatʼáanii Nééz góó déyá Audio
Naat'áaniinééz góó déyá • I am going to Shiprock • [ Shiprock-ward I go ]
Naat’áanii Nééz • Placename
-góó • enclitic referring to direction
Déyá 1st Person Singular Perfective of Dighááh
Thank you for the explanation and clarification for the difference of the two spellings. It has not been explained so clearly.
I thought the same, mexicomadness. i have no hope of learning this without audio LOL
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Shiprock is a town in San Juan County, NM, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiprock,_New_Mexico) that is near Shiprock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiprock) a geological formation of cultural significance.
Sorry I can't reply in Esperanto, but you can read about both Shiprock, NM, (https://nv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naat%CA%BC%C3%A1anii_N%C3%A9%C3%A9z) and Shiprock the formation (https://nv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ts%C3%A9_Bit%CA%BCa%CA%BC%C3%AD) in Diné.
This is great, thank you! I guess I'm not seeing the connection between the Navajo and the English...?
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The English name has nothing to do with what the Navajo call it. The Europeans came stomping through assigning their own names to things as though the Navajo weren't there. So many places in Navajo lands have English names that are completely unrelated to their real Navajo names. "Shiprock" is one of them. So you're right; there's no connection.
Jes, "Shiprock" estas urbo en Usono Suduesta proksime de formado geologia kiu estas kulture signifa.
Dankon, sinjoroj! Ho, mi jxus eksciis ke, vikipedio jam havas pagxon por tio ankaux en la japana!
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Seeing you both talking in Esperanto here makes me want to give a new try to this language. Dankon :)
KrisToma-L you are correct. I come from Shiprock. The correct word is Tse Bit'a'i. It means Rock with wings.
Boy, it will be hard for Duo to get audio. Also Navajo is the hardest language to learn in the world. I should know since i am a Navajo...
If you don't mind me asking, is Navajo still used as a spoken language that much by Navajo people today? Is there much interest in reviving the language? I only ask due to my interest in my own ancestral language (Welsh), which I try to use as often as I can but is only spoken by about 20% of Welsh people.
Auch ist's schoen, ein weiterer Deutschlerner zu sehen.
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At my college (in Utah), Navajo was a popular course. I was one of only 3 non-Navajos in the class. One girl was fluent; the rest needed to learn.
It's still spoken, but endangered. I remember when one of the students' parents came to class and spoke with the teacher in fluent Navajo. When she finished, her daughter asked her why she'd never taught it to her, and the mother said because of what she had had to go through to learn English.
But there is definite interest in reviving it.
Two very impressive things are "Starwars" and "Finding Nemo" dubbed in Navajo.
Starwars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR13lIRLfic
Nemo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-8qW6tFZQ
These are things that are direly needed and that are encouraging the youth. Also, movies are a great source for language learning - you see the action together with listening to the words = lots of brain connections. You can even learn words without having to check for their translation.
For my own tiny language, we do not have the money to make movies either, but we did get some children's movies free of license fees from different countries for dubbing. :o)
I would like to know which specific word in this sentence is the authentic name for 'Shiprock', so I can spot it visually and audibly.
Hmm.. according to linguists, Icelandic is the most difficult language to learn.
In other exercises, I was given "Naat’áanii Nééz góó déyá", where "Naat’áanii Nééz" is broken into two separate words. Now for this exercise, I had to type what I heard, so that’s what I typed, and I was marked wrong. Is there a difference between the one-word and two-word version of this town name? Can both be used interchangeably? I’m completely new to the Navajo language, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
Im not sure if this is the same for others but as for me its don't pronounce the words or phrase, its been making it difficult bc i dont know if im saying it right and its only happening with Navajo
Egads. You couldn't come up with anything shorter than Shiprock to start us out with? This is horrible.
"Shorter"? The length of a proper noun is not nearly as important as the likelihood of hearing it in the language.
I can't believe your comment is from 9 months ago and it's the same. I thought the Navajo offer was brand new. Sigh.
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Is it necessary to use "góó déyá" to say "I am going"? I have seen here (https://navajowotd.com/word/deya/) that "déyá" means already "I am going"... By the way, at this address above, there is the pronunciation of déyá. but I couldn't find how to pronounce góó..
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Déyá means "I going" and góó means "am/are/is", so you have to put them together as góó déyá to say "I am going".
I tried looking the pronunciation up online and other sites places say this word means leader and Shiprock is Tsé Bit’a’í
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A native speaker explained at some point somewhere that there are two names for the town of Shiprock. The town is different from the formation itself.
Naatʼáanii Nééz means "tall leader" and is a reference to a former BIA superintendent in the area.
The other name is Tooh and is from the name of the San Juan River.
Tsé Bitʼaʼí is the name of the formation.
Check out this link from the government of Shiprock: https://shiprock.navajochapters.org
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"A photograph of Shiprock, Navajo Nation, New Mexico, USA."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiprock#/media/File:Shiprock.snodgrass3.jpg
Is there a reason for the change between "Naataanii neez" vs "Naataaniineez"? Most of the lessons have it with the space.
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It's at the beginning because different languages order verbs and nouns and other words differently. German for example also puts the verb last, like Yoda does in the Star Wars films.
There is neither audio nor any hint on how the pronunciation or romanization works.
Are you serious, duolingo?
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It's still in beta. They've said they'll add the audio later.
In the meantime, I gave a basic rundown of how to read Navajo here: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29164461
if you load the website, i think there are notes. but the notes are not visible with the app.
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There aren't notes yet for this course, even on the website. I'm hoping they will add them later.
Audio would be great to know how to pronouce this dialect! Hard to know how to pronouce in navajo when i dont hear it as often
Why are these all about going to ship rock?what if i lived in the bronx?or even in like texas?
I was writing the literal translation not the proper english translation. This not how you guys set up the chinese one so I am confused about the sentence structure.
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In some other examples, -nééz is used as an independent word, but here it doesn't take it. What's the meaning for this part?
I'm being marked "wrong" for writing this phrase exactly the way the "correction" is shown. This reflects poorly on the quality of this course and is another reason to stop hassling people to buy a sub.
Needs more focus on spelling and accent practice. The are so many accents to remember in most of these words
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I wonder if any tips are intended for the course. The way of guessing is cool, but I'd like to ensure I'm getting it right.
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I wonder if the pause in pronunciation before deya should be there in real life, or just how the robot treats it? As well, what is the meaning of the accents overr the letters?
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The pause is there so as to state each word individually. -góó is technically a suffix and should be attached to the previous word (there are still a lot of typos in this course).
The accents above the letters mean they are pronounced in the high tone. Navajo is a tonal language with 2 tones.
(And, for future reference, hooks underneath vowels means to nasalize the vowels.)
Do we know why Naat'áaniiééz is sometimes Capitalized? Or why the word is sometimes seemingly split in half? I assume it has to do the the context of the sentence, but I'm not making the connection.
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The course is still in beta, and still has several issues and typos. For example, -góó is supposed to be a suffix attached to the previous word (you'll notice when you get a sentence with a speaker who goes over each word slowly, she won't pause before góó).
There are still a lot of inconsistencies in the course. Don't read too much into them yet.
I typed Naat'aaniineez goo deya once and it was right then had to type the same thing again and it was wrong What is the problem I can't put the accent marks in this post but I did in the lesson.
