https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sc_ville

Testing out of Level 4 is a bit disappointing

Although I love having the opportunity to test out of levels, I find the tests really disappointing. Testing out of Level 4 to Level 5 should require me to create every sentence in French--that's how I can really prove I've mastered that skill. Instead, half the skill test is translation, much of it super simple translation at that, and occasionally even repetitions of the same simple translations. It would be great if the tests were harder at this last level; hopefully that's something Tree 3 or Tree 4 will take or has taken into consideration (I'm in Tree 2).

October 11, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BetinaGeorgieva

Yes, I totally agree!

October 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/muzzlehatch

yeah, it's seems like a random set of questions - some a piece of cake, a few more difficult ones - but you can get four wrong anyway - guess you have to examine yourself and think do i really feel i got it? I tend to do the first levels section by section and when I start getting familiar with the vocabulary / grammar of the section will start "testing out" up to level 5. Still, considering it's free what a brilliant thing duo-lingo is. I use it in combination with another well known language learning site/app that you have to pay (a little bit) for. It has a different approach and the combination of duolingo and the "other" works very well for me.

October 13, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shanaya265641

yeah i guess thats true...

October 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AudreyKeen7

I agree as well! Should really make it harder

October 12, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EdP2Pp

I don’t know how far you have progressed down the tree, but in my experience the majority of the lessons increase in difficulty at the midway point. While, I was able to master the top half of the tree quickly to level 3 or higher, the bottom half is more difficult at level 3. I will probably have to address the component parts of about 30 - 40 lessons individually to master level 3. I think this kind of learning progression is valuable to master a particular language. If it were too difficult most of the learners would experience frustration and give up.

October 13, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sc_ville

Yes, it's true that the lessons at the bottom of the tree are far more difficult than the ones at the top. But I've reached level 4 for my entire tree and am working my way toward -- or testing into -- level 5, and that's where the disappointment comes in. It is mild disappointment, and I still find Duolingo very useful, and certainly still make an abundance of mistakes and have skills I haven't mastered. By rights, as I see it, I shouldn't be able to progress to the maximum level until I can produce -- not just translate -- all the sentences in the given skill. But again, it's a minor grievance...

October 13, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EdP2Pp

Is your tree version number 3 or the Staff tree. You mention in your initial post that it is tree 2. The staff tree version consists of 119 or 120 individual lessons. I was going to revise my post to say that 20 - 30 lessons are challenging compared to the other lessons. My thinking is that you have a pretty good grasp of the language at this point. I have 50 more lessons to challenge to turn my entire tree to level 3, and I have 361 crowns, which should help to explain were I am right now. In following you I see that you have just over 50k xp, you have progressed at a rapid pace. I have 79k xp, but your xp level explains a lot based on the number of days you have gone without a break. I was very busy last year and consequently did less learning than I otherwise would have with some free time available. Did you start learning French 277 days ago?

October 13, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/unpetitchat25

Can I ask what you mean by tree version?

October 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

@unpetitchat25

French trees explained: https://www.duolingo.com/comment/29069435

October 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EdP2Pp

Thank you!

October 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/unpetitchat25

Thank you that helps a lot!

October 15, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EdP2Pp

You are learning on one of three different versions of the French tree. The latest version I just learned from reading Thomas’ post is the staff tree, personally I am happy with the update. However in the changeover many expressed disappointment because the majority of their achievement was wiped out. If you are still working on on older version, when the change occurs for you, then, you will find that you can recoup what you have lost by challenging individual lessons at a rapid rate. Not only do you earn all the xp that comprises one lesson, you can accumulate an enormous amount of xp quickly with each successful challenge. For example, I have earned approximately 23,000 xp in three weeks by challenging individual lessons. Before the changeover I had about 320 crowns, after the change occurred I learned that I had between 70 - 80 crowns and I had not completed level one. Now I have 364 crowns and have repaired my tree. You may find that you can recoup most of what you lost in the changeover in about two or three weeks. Also, you will want to challenge lessons on the European site, in doing so you will understand right away what I mean by this statement. If you don’t know what I am referring to (European Site), if you read some of the older posts, you will find instructions on how to access the European site.

October 14, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/unpetitchat25

Thanks so much that explains a lot, I think I am currently working on the staff tree, I got the change a few weeks ago. I have mixed feelings about it though, because although I feel I am learning more useful things, I am also going over a lot of things I already know. The change has also completely messed up my tree, all the lessons I have completed are all over the place! I am not sure what you mean by the European Site, do you mean read older discussion posts?

Edit: I have found the European Site! However I am still confused by what you mean by challenging lessons on ES? Sorry to be a pain :/

October 15, 2018
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