https://www.duolingo.com/Marilyn71596

Where is Sitesurf?????

In the old version I always looked to Sitesurf for clear explanations. And there was another person - he had glasses and maybe a beard but I can't remember his profile name. Both of them were such great teachers....Now I never see them when I click on DISCUSS. Je suis désolé !

4 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/georgeoftruth
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Hello. We're still here. Namely sitesurf, n6zs, CommeuneTexane, and myself georgeoftruth. Especially Sitesurf. Her presence hasn't dwindled. Nor any of us. We all still read the forums everyday. However, if any of you have the staff-created tree (which you do have, Marilyn), you won't see any of us in the sentence discussions because we do not have access to that tree. Sorry, but that's the way it is. You will have to wait for fellow users and other French natives to be the ones explaining things to you.

If you do have specific questions for any of us, French grammar or otherwise, please leave it in the main French forum. We can and we do read those.

Cheers from the FR mod/contrib team.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/coto.i
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So glad you are still here, guys! And even if you weren't...

A big THANK YOU to all of you!!!

:)

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lisaskier

Hi George, I am having absolute horrors studying with this new tree, it is absolutely chock full of errors, inconsistencies and appalling translations.

Do you know if there is anyway I could revert back to the previous tree?

I am fast running out of patience , am completely de-motivated and seriously considering quitting Duo [after 3 years] for a different learning site.

Best regards

Lisa

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Konrad127123
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I read a comment somewhere on the forums that if you sign up as a teacher at https://schools.duolingo.com/ , that will automatically put you onto Tree version 2. (Not sure if you need to create a classroom or not, but you can always create one with yourself as the only student.)

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lisaskier

Thanks Konrad, I did try that but was not successful :[

Strike that, just managed to set up a "classroom" account and have escaped the diabolically bad new tree, hurrah!!!!! :]

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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How to switch back from tree V4 to (old) stable tree V2

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29156220$comment_id=29159723

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/georgeoftruth
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Hi Lisa. Unfortunately, we don't have that power. We're all just statistics in an algorithm. We are still hoping that things would improve. It will just take a long time.

While Duolingo is a good learning site, it's not the only thing out there. It's understandable if we get demotivated. I would have pursued other resources, myself, if I got frustrated with all the errors.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lisaskier

That is such a shame George, after experiencing tree "updates" previously I was trying to keep an open mind and embrace the change, but this new tree is a total failure.

Oh well.....will check out the other learning sites and hope that Duo scraps this tree very soon!

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CommeuneTexane

Hi Lisaskier,

You may also like to try Coffee Break French. Season 4 is at a good intermediate level and the dialogues and grammar points are engaging. https://radiolingua.com/tag/cbf-season-4/

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/W-Ruggles-Wolfe

@Lisaskier: I've been supplementing my Duolingo French w/the "InnerFrench" podcasts. I'm on DL's v3 French tree, and the two are very complementary.

It is targeted at intermediate French learners, so it's a nice addition to the DL process once one hits level 25+. (The podcasts assume you know the sundry tenses beyond present and passé composé.)

The speaker speaks clearly and at an understandable pace. They have transcripts of all the casts. Plus - they cover all sorts of interesting topics, so it's engaging as well as instructive.

(Should anyone wonder, I have no affiliation with the site. I'm just a very happy learner.)

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lisaskier

Many thanks to W-Ruggles-Wolfe and CommeuneTexane for taking the time to tell me about their alternative french website suggestions, I will definitely be checking those out tomorrow :]

Also thanks to Thomas Heiss who managed to give instructions easy enough for this self-confessed technophobe to figure out how to switch back to the old tree, hurrah!

Lingots for everyone !

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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How to switch back from tree V4 to (old) stable tree V2

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29156220$comment_id=29159723

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marilyn71596

Thank you for posting information about the various Trees. I appreciate the work of the Duo French Team, but this confusion of trees seems like a big mess. The V4 tree has improved my vocabulary but it does not POUND the grammar like the first tree. That emphasis on the tedium of grammar is what made me such a fan of Duolingo in the first place. I don't want to learn French to "get by" I want to learn it to speak/write correctly. In my daily French journal I make many mistakes with the little words that are required in front of ALL nouns. However I don't make mistakes on the articles I studied on the old tree! The repetition in those exercises worked. Anyway, I attempted to open the school version, and I chose STUDENT' instead of TEACHER. It got me to V4. Should I open as a teacher? Can I somehow "register" under a different name and have access to both the old tree and V4? Thank you for your answers.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lisaskier

I'm fairly sure that I registered as the teacher Marilyn...as I said technology and I are not often friends , on top of that I have a shockingly bad memory!

I completely agree with you that the old tree was WAYYYyyyyy better for grammar, I really did notice a deterioration in mine after a month on the new tree.

Can't express how happy I am to have switched back .

Good luck and happy learning :]

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marilyn71596

If you know which "Tree" I work in, do you have the power to switch me back? The grammar lessons were so much better!

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/georgeoftruth
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We don't have that power, unfortunately. Because of the way Duolingo works, with their A/B tests and algorithms, we all just become statistics.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/PercyPonce1

I am a little confused, I am sorry. So you and all those people listed are part of the "Teaching Staff" meaning to put all the valid options for each exercise. I have heard "Sitesurf" mentioned the fact that he was going to "add" something to the "list of options"; and at the same time offer their "discussions" here in the forum. Is that correct? Thanks.

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/georgeoftruth
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We are volunteers, with expertise in French and English. Our goal is to help you learn French because we believe in free language learning. Our roles here are various: We have written versions of the French course, monitor the forum, write sentences and keep track of accepted translations, read user reports, answer your questions in discussion pages, enable and disable audio exercises, etc.

And yes, sitesurf is our most prominent moderator. She does read your posts and add translations where necessary. You can easily find all of us in the French sentence discussions. We have an orange ring and a “MOD” tag.

For more information on what we do, see these pages:
https://incubator.duolingo.com/apply
https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/articles/204980530-Who-are-the-forum-moderators-

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CadetheBruce
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Since Duolingo rolled out the A/B testing for the staff-made French tree on top of the new 3.0 volunteer-made tree that came out a few months before but never got a full site-wide release (AFAIK), the old team of mods has been much quieter. I have really only seen CommeuneTexane active in the discussions in the past couple of months. This could be for a number of reasons, and may have nothing to do with the new staff-made tree and other behind-the-scene changes over this new direction Duolingo is taking after years of building their brand on the work of volunteers like the French team (although I strongly suspect those factors are in play).

But whatever the reasons, even for us who didn't get the staff-made tree, practicing French here on Duolingo hasn't felt quite the same. If anyone has made a comment on why some of the mods are less a presence than they were previously, I haven't seen it.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marilyn71596

Do you mean that some people have the old version and some have the new?

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Lemniscatarum
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That's right. It's all over the place: some people have Tree v2, some have Tree v3, and some have Tree v4.

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Giovanna-Louise
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how can I find out which tree do I have?

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/coto.i
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First, switch to your French tree. Then go to https://www.duome.eu/Giovanna-Louise and check the info on the right panel. It will say something like this: "Learning French from English · V2".

  • V2 - the old tree
  • V3 - the new tree made by the old team of contributors/moderators
  • V4 - the new tree made by Duo staff
4 months ago

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Brilliant! thank you ever so much! I appreciate it!

4 months ago

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@Giovanna-Louise

No problem :)

@Marilyn71596

You check duome.eu site for your own username, which is https://www.duome.eu/Marilyn71596

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marilyn71596

I don't get it. Where do I find this info in my own tree?

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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@Marilyn

Quote: I don't get it. Where do I find this info in my own tree?

Learning French from English · V4: 119 skills, 598 lessons

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/knudvaneeden
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sitesurf is a Duolingo user functioning also as 'Global Moderator, Forum and Course Moderator (FR/EN)':

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/9661812/SiteSurf

https://duome.eu/sitesurf

4 months ago

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Considering the enormous amount of effort she puts in to help people and that (as far as I know) moderating etc. is done entirely on a voluntary basis without any monetary reward (i.e. you need to have a normal job) she might simply have taken a very well-deserved rest:-)

4 months ago

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Good news!

SHOF Duome.eu French tips and notes

65 (-1) cached (html formatted) grammar notes for your English->French tree:

https://duome.eu/tips/en/fr

[NEW FEATURE] Duome.eu shows "tips and notes" for multiple language trees incl. not active courses: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29385314

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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Quote Usagiboy7:
There is the reverse course.
I am always curious if people plan to do reverse and ladder trees
Source: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29156220$comment_id=29165506

Starting a course from French on the web portal = writing / translating into French (on the right hand side) on a higher (better) ratio even on lower crown L0-L2 (L3) levels

(My) Tips and audio tricks for reverse and laddering trees

How do you do a reverse tree / The reverse tree helps - how to be able to listen to the target language audio:
- https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29266026$comment_id=29267079
- https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29262469$comment_id=29266698

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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Link collection

"French trees explained": https://www.duolingo.com/comment/29069435

"Changes ahead for tree transitions": https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29156220

"New (third) French tree (tree4). Ouch!": https://www.duolingo.com/comment/29011235

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Marilyn71596

OK, thanks to coto.i I see that I'm on Version 4. Does a real person assign people to specific versions or am I simply an algorithm, helplessly flailing about in the cyber universe?

4 months ago

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@Marilyn

A/B algorithm

An adult would think we could opt-in or opt-out ourselves....

Thankfully I am still on tree V3.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wtd2811

I have no idea what tree I'm in. I have no idea what a "tree" is! Sorta up a tree here. Or up a creek. What's a tree?

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/georgeoftruth
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A "tree" is the course you're taking.

There are currently three different versions of the French course. Your course is version number 3, which is the most recent volunteer created course full of tips and notes. To read more about the different trees, see here:
https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29069435

4 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/wtd2811

Thank you! Oops, I mean, merci! I've just been working through each lesson, not really understanding the other aspect of the course. I really enjoy it, and have made a commitment to myself to work the program every day. And I have noticed that the lessons are becoming more challenging. My biggest problem is understanding the young lady. My take is that the guy is giving the more precise diction, while la femme is more geared to the "real" conversational version. I appreciate that there are two voices. Actually learning parler-ing is the obstacle course for me. Thanks for your quick and helpful response! Peace, mate.

4 months ago
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