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Italian Slang?

This might have been covered already, but I'm wondering, what are the most common types of Italian slang?

I've been seeing "pk" around; is that for "perché?"

Thanks guys!

October 28, 2018

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CivisRomanus

As F.Formica explained, tt for tutto, 6 for sei, etc. are simply abbreviations used by many people (mostly youngsters) as a form of shorthand in writing text messages. They should not be used in any other text, e.g. taking exercises, writing an email, or posting comments in social media (who does so often gets picked on).

These modern abbreviations should not be confused with other standard abbreviations of honorific titles, such as Sig. for Signor(e), Sig.ra for Signora, Dott. for Dottor(e), etc., or of other common words such as for numero, pag. for pagina (plural pagg.), gg. for giorni, c.m. for corrente mese ("this month"), etc., which are normally used in the written language.

October 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/compsognathus

Thank you so much! That helps a lot!!

October 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/f.formica
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I've been seeing "pk" around; is that for "perché?"

It can be, yes: the other common abbreviation is xk, as often x in the beginning stands for "per" (xò = però, xdono = perdono and so on) and k stands for either "che" or just "ch". Other common ones are "cmq" (comunque), "grz" (grazie) and "asp" (aspetta). Rather than slang it's just shorthand though, and commonly associated with teenagers, so people overusing it seem childish.

October 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/compsognathus

Oh wow, thanks so much!! That is super helpful!!

October 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElizabethD.2

I'm afraid to ask, but is "x" a letter in the Italian alphabet? I thought there were 21 letters, omitting j, k, w, x, y compared to the English (American) alphabet.

October 31, 2018

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They're not part of the classic Italian alphabet, but they are used in Italian spelling for some words: the "ks" sound for instance doesn't occur naturally in Italian, but it does in Greek, so X is often found in borrowings from Greek, although older ones generally mutated to more natural sounds, e.g. oxymoron = ossimoro. In older spellings, still sometimes used for names, J and Y were also used to represent the semi-consonant value of I, e.g. the Ionian Sea, or "Mar Ionio", can be also spelled "Mar Jonio", especially in older maps.

P.S. More to the point, the reading "per" for X comes from the mathematical symbology: "2 x 3 = 6" is read as "due per tre uguale 6" (or "fa sei")

October 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElizabethD.2

Thank you for that explanation, I'm glad I asked!

October 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Emy__3

Elizabeth, I add our alphabet comes from the Latin one, in which really there were also X, Y, K but in the Middle Age they were eliminated. In particular Latin borrowed chi - X (capital letter) from Greek, but the latin X is equivalent to the Greek letter csi - Ξ /ξ that in turn comes from a Phoenician letter, samekh, used in Hebrew and Aramaic too. It was eliminated in the Middle Age because it was assimilated to the double SS e.g. saxus = sasso (stone) or turned into S (sorda, not sonorous).

Currently, in Italian there are some words with J,W and K,Y,X, also in people/cities names and scientific words, but often they are also used to report foreign words or words with foreign origins (included Greek/Latin origins). e.g. kerosene, folklore, uxoricidio, Craxy (politician man), yogurt, yoga, junior, Jesolo (city),Juventus (football team), jazz, wafer, whisky, watt ect Really J was introduced in the alphabet in the 16th c. and eliminated in the 19th c., while W has anglo-saxon origins so in Italian is used only for foreign words or for neologisms e.g. wikipedia.

October 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElizabethD.2

Wow! This is super informative, thank you. I've only been taking Italian lessons for around 2 years on Duolingo and unfortunately do not think I will live long enough to comprehend the language to this extent... But you never know!!! Thanks again.

November 1, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CivisRomanus

Beware of Italian loan words that include 'W'.
Most modern ones are borrowed from English, so the 'W' is pronounced as in English.
Very few, instead, are borrowed from German, and are pronounced with a German 'W' (i.e. as 'V'); among these are Watt and würstel.
The letter itself is called doppia vu, and a few words that one would expect being spoken with an English 'W' are in fact spoken with a German 'W', such as the proper name Walter. Since the sound affects the choice of the article, a masculine word spoken with a German 'W' always takes il / un (e.g. il würstel), while for an English 'W' there is no fixed rule (see my comment at https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29341943), although the most common article used is once again il / un.

November 2, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ElizabethD.2

Thank you Civis. All this input is so educational which helps make the "Discussion" page a better learning tool.

November 3, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Emy__3

: D Me too! (with English)I have to learn a lot, I started this course a few months ago...I'm glad you liked it, ciao Ely.

November 1, 2018

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questo non è slang, ma solo abbreviazioni nate dalla recente messagistica

October 31, 2018

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Lo so, è quello a cui mi riferivo con "shorthand": in inglese include sia la stenografia vera e propria sia le tecniche di scrittura veloce che abbreviano parole e frasi.

October 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Emy__3

I can only add that is a bad Italian. I advise you not to use these expressions, it seems obvious but it's important.

October 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/compsognathus

You are probably right! I won't use them; just looking to understand them!

October 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Emy__3

Of course! Knowledge is always important!

October 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MT.italy

Ph = fotografo

October 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/compsognathus

That's interesting! I wonder where the "Ph" comes from?

October 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MT.italy

E' gergo giovanile usato su Instagram, credo derivi da photographer.
N.B.
Il Ph in chimica è tutt'altra cosa! ;-)

October 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/compsognathus

Haha, ci stavo solo pensando!!

October 30, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Ev37DU

nice topic! idk any italian slang as i am an italian beginner but thats a really interesting topic! Nice you mentioned it!

November 1, 2018

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