https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

How does this discussion work?

Can someone please explain to me what the plus or minus numbers next to the questions mean. I posted a question and now it has -5 next to it. Does that mean that 5 people didn't like it? Also, if I click on posts I am following I find my question, but if I click on the new questions section and scroll down it is not there. Why is this. Thanks to anyone that can help me understand this, I am new here.

4 days ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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The -5 means that your post has received 5 more downvotes than upvotes, for a score of -5 overall. It isn't showing up in the forum index any more because of that score.

There are several possible reasons your post got downvoted - most often it's either because it was a repeat of a commonly asked question, or it was off-topic for these forums.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

OK, thanks so much for your help. I really don't understand what I did wrong to get voted off here so to speak, but I really appreciate you explaining it to me.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Hi Kenicito,

The Duolingo forums work differently than a lot of online forums. We've all been on the learner curve as beginners here. So, I'll go check out your other post and try to see what might have happened with it, then I'll come back and let you know. :)

While I'm doing that, feel welcome to check out these resources that can help you learn more about navigating the forum expectations:
1. Community Guidelines https://www.duolingo.com/guidelines
2. Community and Discussions Guide http://duolingo.wikia.com/wiki/Community_and_discussions_guide

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Thank you but I think it doesn't matter. While I have enjoyed Duolingo for the past week I THOUGHT it was a family of language learners helping each other. Now, this post is at -4. I don't know what I am doing wrong, but I guess I just don't fit in here. I am not writing this in anger, but in sadness

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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This post has been downvoted because it's a question that gets asked often. It isn't meant as an insult to you, it's just that the forum is more manageable and usable if there aren't repeated posts.

Why not try using Duolingo to learn a language for a few weeks, and see what you think? My experience has been that most of the time when I ask a question about whichever language I'm learning, someone takes the time to answer me. I'm sure you'll find the same.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Meep! I did it again. Sorry Hugh. I messaged you via workspace and didn't hear back. So, I thought you'd logged off.

Considering your assessment, that's possible. Though, it's not asked so often that a new user can reliably look through forum pages and see it within 4 pages. I think we'll need to talk with staff about this. It's causing problems for newer community members.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Thanks again for your reply and I understand what you are explaining, but I think that isn't fair to new people. Like me, I just wanted to better understand things here. I haven't read all the former posts from a long time ago. Just asking for advice on how to to become part of this group and the "old-timers" just vote off my questions. Very unwelcoming. I am enjoying the lessons, just feel like I don't belong here.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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The -5 hide was instituted after we had some very, very bad posts created by people who wanted to cause problems. We wanted to hide those posts from the view of children as soon as possible, without the community having to wait for a moderator to see them and take them down. Unfortunately, there are still people who want to cause problems. They've made accounts to down vote discussions wherever they go. I hope, you will decide to stay. There is a lot of value to be found in the community. It is of course up to you.

I looked at your discussion here. It doesn't violate the guidelines. So, I'm rather confident the votes you received were from one or possibly two people who created multiple accounts just to cause problems. I wish I had the tools to stop them. Unfortunately, I don't at the moment. But, every couple of years, mods get updates to our consoles. Hopefully, we will at some point get the tools to remove users based on bad voting practices. (ie, voting down posts that aren't abusing the forum space.)

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Thanks so much to both of you for helping me understand things and for making me feel a little more welcomed here.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/testmoogle
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I think maybe it would work better if people were restricted from downvoting a discussion until after they've posted their own comment in that discussion.

If it were like this, people would hopefully give their reason for downvoting, we will be able to see who it is that is doing the downvoting, and if their reason is that the same question has been asked millions of times then hopefully a downvoter will put a link in their comment to one such previous discussion.

For regular users at least anyway. Mods, contributors, maybe even Plus users, etc. could possibly be exempted from this restriction.

This should end malicious downvoting, reduce the number of instances where a newcomer whose discussion is downvoted to -5 hasn't been told why, and still allow us to continue downvoting to keep the forums tidy. ^^

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rev._mother

I don’t really know what you did to deserve the downvotes either— it was a beginner question but it wasn’t really problematic. Sometimes beginners will ask the same question 20 times a week which is annoying, but I haven’t really seen this question very often. Maybe people are just moody today! Don’t worry. Welcome and enjoy Spanish.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Thank you so much. I really do feel better with all the people that are responding here.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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Can you post a link to your other discussion? I'll see if I can figure out what went wrong with it.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Woops, sorry Hugh! I didn't see your comment until after I had posted mine. :)

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Thanks so much. I don't how how to post a link to my other post but the Moderator is checking it for me. Thanks again!

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/susanstory
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Don't worry about the downvotes. I looked up that discussion and it looks like quite a few friendly people answered your question. Sometimes Duolingo has problems with people who just like to downvote. Anyway, I upvoted it so now it's only -2.

If downvotes were temperatures, -2 C would be considered "nice" where I live, in the middle of January.

Oh yeah, even Luis Van Ahn the CEO of Duolingo has had downvotes, in fact a lot more than -5.

I forget what his post was about, but it had something like -300. I don't remember the exact figure.

Lucky for us, he didn't stop doing Duolingo because of those downvotes.

No, I wasn't one of the people who downvoted his post.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Thank you. I really was saddened and ready to walk away but I feel much better with all the people that have been on this post offering words of cheer and encouragement.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/KevinR86

Hi Kenicito.

I'm sorry to hear that this has feel like you're not welcomed on the forums. We encourage new users to post and interact with the community. Please don't let the actions of a few dissuade you.

Lastly, if you have questions there are many helpful community members who will assist.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Thanks so much! I am feeling a little more welcome here with the few of you being so kind and helpful

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/angus390025
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Cheer up, lad. The first post I made got many downvotes. I made sure to start with the obligatory praise of duolingo, extolling its virtues in an over-the-top and syrupy way, before transitioning into my questions and complaints. This is general forum etiquette, isn't it? Much, much later I figured out that my questions had been asked, and answered, about a million times, and that the cult of duolingo is wherein questions that have already been asked about a million times receive negative votes.

It's just the way it is on duolingo. Kinda like Spanish people don't say "I am 12 years old", but instead they say "I have 12 years" Similarly, the cult of duolingo is one where they downvote your question if it has been asked before instead of providing you an answer, or at least a link. It's a cultural thing. You'll get used to it.

(By the way, don't say that you're 12 years old, because you'll certainly get downvoted for that. That's another aspect of the cult of duolingo.)

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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Down voting age mentions is a protective gesture by the community. So, I understand when they do that. We have very young learners along with everyone else here. Sharing certain sensitive information is prohibited by the guidelines in order to help protect them from predators who are looking for young folks. If a discussion's OP (original post, up top above the comments) mentions age is down voted out of site to protects the OP (original poster). If mods scroll the bottom of discussions, we'll find the down voted comments and remove age mentions. Sometimes, like that, down voting makes sense. But, sometimes people abuse the tools available to them.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/angus390025
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I wasn't passing judgement on them, merely providing advice to a new user. But your post reminds me that there are some very dirty minds here.

Today, for example, I had the phrase "J'aime regarder les enfants jouer" to translate into English, so I wrote "I like to watch the children play" It was counted as correct, but it gave me the duolingo-approved response as an "alternate" answer: "I like to look at the children playing."

What was the first thing I thought of? The Rolling Stones, of course. As tears go by I immediately clicked on DISCUSS, which had already 163 comments by then, to engage with other users in a discussion of that beautiful song.

What did I see when I got to the discussion? Not a single mention of either The Rolling Stones or As Tears Go By. Not one. The first and most popular post (with 446 upvotes! and 13 lingots!) was "Well, this sentence isn't creepy at all...!"

Really?? Yes, really. And the comments just go downhill from there. See for yourself:

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/268660

Certainly that was not my first thought when I read the sentence. But given the comments I'd conclude that it was the first thought of many people. (I suspect that it is a combination of abject paranoia and filthy minds, although I'm not sure which is worse).

As for me, I can only say that "J'aime regarder les enfants jouer" is not at all creepy, but beautiful. Not only because of the song it reminds me of, but also because I can remember the good times when my own son was small and we would watch him play in the park with other children.

I've never downvoted a child for revealing his or her age and I don't intend to, regardless of your rules, but I for the record I wasn't complaining about it. I was merely giving advice.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie
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And very few answers to the legit questions about the grammar of the sentence…

I guess it's true you judge others as yourself. My childhood friend would probably have thought the same as you, being a Rolling Stones fan. To me, this sentence brought up the image of a grand-mother seeing her brood in the evening of a beautiful family day…

3 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Good advice and education. Thanks so much!

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/angus390025
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Mostly they do answer your questions, though. Don't be afraid to ask them.

Mainly pay attention to where you post it. If it's a question about Spanish, post it in the Spanish topic. If it's a general question about the website or the software, don't put it in the Spanish topic.

IMHO, the most unpredictable troll threads are the ones in which a user asks for lingots. (you'll see lots of those.) Sometimes people create threads to ask for lingots and within five minutes they get so many downvotes that their request is buried. Other times, someone comes on and requests lingots and within five minutes they have 20 or more lingots. I haven't figured out the pattern yet. Maybe it's the time of day? That'd probably make for an anthropology PhD dissertation, if you could figure out the right questions to ask.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Again thanks for the advice

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Songve
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Click "Follow DIscussion" to change it to "Following Discussion" so if you get another Fiver (5 down votes) you can see it in your followed list. Sometimes you get a FIVER, it disappears but others upvote it and it reappears.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rev._mother

I think we un-fivered him. I just invented that. You can use it.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Yes you'll did! Thanks to all for making me feel welcome here!

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Thanks but I thought once it was at -5 no one else could see it because it is no longer in the listings.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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My shiny ring comes with a special set of tools that allow me to access most hidden discussions. Direct links also allow access into hidden discussions, as rev._mother mentioned. :)

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Everyone who came here with encouraging words and advice really did turn me around. I just had such a bad feeling like this was just a closed group and new people were not welcomed. However, you'll really have shown me(and i hope others) that this really is a community of helping each other and encouraging each other. Thanks once again to all!!

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https://www.duolingo.com/Usagiboy7
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I'm glad. I really couldn't imagine having not been part of the community for the last 5 years. It's significantly enriched my life. And, I want others to have that opportunity too. :)

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/rev._mother

We accessed it through the link Usaigi posted and can up/downvote from there. Others who have also commented on the post can go back and change or add their vote as well. Its visible again now.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/jaye16
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On huge forums like this there are all kinds of people which means that there will be some who use the forums for some kind of game. Maybe using the downvote option gives them a feeling of power they are missing. So, often the downvote has nothing to do with the content. As others have told you here there are many around who are more than willing to help and encourage you and I hope you will ignore the downvotes and go on to bigger and better learning.

Never be put off asking for help or advice. That's what we're here for and we do it more than willingly.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Thanks. I really understand things better now. When my posts just got down voted so fast I wrongly assumed that was representative of the forum as a whole. Now I do see that there are a great bunch of people here.

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie
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Don't you worry, Kenicito. I've got downvoted for giving a perfectly valid answer to someone's question. Most of the time, it was not even OP not liking my answer, just some random passer by. It stings, as I'm a sensitive one, but I breath in and don't let it put me down (too long) ;)

Being an older user can bring it's own kind of unpopulary, too. It's just the Internet, so it's just humanity being human rather than humane. I've always mostly felt at home here, the good exceeds by far the bad seeds. Please stay with us, be a positive force, and learn away :)

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Thank you so much, I really appreciate what you(and everyone) have said. I also am a very sensitive person and someone who doesn't spend a lot of time on the internet(especially forums) so maybe I took it too hard. However, so many of you came to try to convince me this is a good place so I think I will stay a while.

3 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie
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Always be yourself, Kenicito. I learnt it the hard way. If you try to please anyone and everyone, you fail and end up exhausted. If you just do your best, you attract people like you, who like you for yourself.
I also tend to avoid places of nastiness.

3 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Words of wisdom. Thank you so much. As for avoiding places of nastiness, that was my problem here. After getting down voted so fast for something I didn't understand I (wrongly) diagnosed Duolingo as a place of nastiness. Fortunately so many good people stepped up to prove otherwise.

2 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie
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:)

2 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mewfu
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I see a lot of stuff on the forum that gets downvoted, but seems fine content-wise. So the best advice would be to not take it personally and ignore it. Are a bunch of anonymous people represented by one number going to be the reason why you dropped learning a language? "Yeah, I didn't learn Spanish... some people on Duolingo were mean."

Keep at it and good luck!

4 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

The way you put it does make it seem silly to leave. I just felt like it would be sad to be on here learning the language when the people on here were so... well, mean, for lack of a better word. However, so many good people showed up to change my mind. Far more than the few bad ones. Thanks.

3 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Mewfu
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Hope that means you're feeling better, too. And if the community here doesn't feel right, you can do the language lesson, but discuss your learning journey somewhere else. Find a place that fits your needs and personality and vibe. The internet is big and wide and luckily there are options. :)

3 days ago

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Hi and welcome to Duolingo Kenicito! Like @hughcparker said, your post received -5 downvotes because either it has been asked so many times before or it was spam. Sorry that you got downvoted being new here and all. Please don't get discouraged by the actions of some users. Some people just like to make trouble here and they seem to target just about everyone. Even though there are numerous troublemakers and spammers here, there are many helpful people here on the forums that are happy to help others. Please feel free to post here on the forums you have may have in the future. Again, welcome and best wishes!

P.S. The first couple posts I made they were also downvoted. I also felt rather hurt but mods Lrtward and Usagiboy7 especially were nice.

3 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Vabelie
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Everyone has a right to be here. What's so difficult, if one don't like a content (for legitimate reasons) in dropping a word of explaination unstead of spreading hate? If I'm not in the mood for answering the same question for the umpteenth time, I just pass and let someone else do it for this time being; Why downvoting if it's not mean or trash? We all have been beginners…

Doesn't a little kindness go a long way?

3 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/hughcparker
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Kindness does indeed go a long way. The downvotes aren't meant as an insult or assault, though. It's just that repeated posts can swamp the forum to the point of making it unusable. It's happened before. I think the kindness comes in gently explaining why the downvoting has happened, rather than leaving the poor newbie to guess.

2 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Kenicito

Exactly, and that's what happened to me. For you "old timers" it was like... "This question again?!" so people just got annoyed and voted it down. From the perspective of the newbie(me) that read as "go away!" so I almost did. Thankfully all you kind people jumped in and took the time to explain it. Thanks again to all!

2 days ago
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