https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SiblingCreature

Tips & Notes in Android app?

I just upgraded the Android app on my phone. I happened to check out the changelog on the off chance it said something more than the usual generic message, and I was excited to see that it said that Tips & Notes would now be available on the app for a number of languages, including French.

The exact wording on the Google Play store is as follows:

What's New

New on Android: language tips! Tap the Tips icon next to certain skills to get helpful explanations of grammar, pronunciation and useful phrases. Now available in our Spanish, French and Chinese courses, with more to come!

However, if so I can't find how to access them. I've searched my entire French tree and not one skill has such an icon next to it, nor am I seeing any icons to load them after tapping on the skills themselves.

Can anyone advise how to access this feature via the Android app, or was the changelog just dangling a phantom carrot in front of my nose?

November 9, 2018

20 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pentaan
November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JamesTPhillips

So why are they telling EVERYONE via their update notes that they are getting tips and notes (a fundamental part of language learning which should have been in the app FROM DAY ONE)? It's just horrible update management from DL.

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SiblingCreature

Because those notes are primarily aimed at people who are about to install the app. The majority of whom are likely to create a new account and end up on the newest version of the tree. I only noticed them because I specifically went in to see the changelog when I noticed that Duolingo had just been updated on my phone within the last few hours. It isn't even something I usually do, as the whats new section on the play store rarely lists anything of interest.

November 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JamesTPhillips

This is not a good reason at all, I'm sorry. My question was "why do they tell everyone they're getting the update when they're not." You seem to be answering a different question, "Why do only new users get the tips and notes?" Even if that was my question, your explanation is still flawed. There is no reason whatsoever why notes should be "aimed" at new users and not existing users. Existing users have complained about the lack of notes in the app since forever, and they should have those notes. There is no credible reason on earth why each tree's existing notes, as they are, cannot be transferred to the app, unless the fundamental underlying structure of the app has been so poorly designed that simple HTML pages cannot be added to it after the fact.

November 11, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SiblingCreature

You misunderstood me. When I said "those notes" I was referring to the changelog, not the Tips & Notes themselves. What I meant was that they haven't actually made an announcement to the effect that people already using the app would now get tips & Notes in app, they are announcing to potential new members that the latest version of the app includes Tips & Notes, and for those new members there would be.

Don't get me wrong, I still think they should adjust the feature to work for people on the older trees with the existing notes for those trees. But at least now I understand why I can't see them in the app now. (I can however still access them via a browser just like everyone else)

November 13, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

I have not verified, but I understood the moderators in the way that only the newly added A1 CEFR skills for V4 probably have the "mobile grammar notes" and all the rest of existing V2+V3 grammar notes are gone.

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Trofaste

The contributor created trees, Tree 2 and Tree 3, also have "Tips and Notes" in many skills.

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

The best probably is to simply print all (65-1) of the currently available Tree V3 grammar notes into a PDF: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29069435$comment_id=29383940

@SiblingCreature

See the comment from the moderator Sitesurf that they are actively working on (html formatted) notes enhancements for V3, which you will be exclusively able to see on the www.duolingo.com web portal / duome.eu.

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pentaan

@Trofaste,
Tree 2 does not have "Tips and Notes" in the Android app (in my account).

However, I don't mis them in the Android app, because they are shown in
https://www.duome.eu/tips/en/fr

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

@Pentaan

Hi,
how is it going for you so far with re-learning all this animal, food & Co. early skill "man drinks beer, woman drinks milk, boy eats bread, bee does this,...) stuff in French?

Are you patient enough? ;)

What was again the gap level when you are over it? Level 10?
I heard from another user that his "dabbling" usually stops at lvl10 as afterwards it gets too complex when you "dive in".

AFAICR it took me at least 3-4 months in Portuguese when I started and at this stage I was really p***ed that I could not focus to learn something useful (like phrases) for speaking / actual conversations.

I made some breaks and jumped over to Memrise for PT BR Basic and PT1-7 to hear native recordings.

PS: My DigitalPublishing (DP) French Sprachkurs 1 CD is still lying around here ;)
But my test last year showed me in summer, that the DP French format was still a bit too difficult for me, even after ~9 months of Portuguese learning.

Viele Grüße

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pentaan

Hi @Thomas,

Are you patient enough? ;)

French was too difficult for me in the formerly "decay method". I have not tried it in the "crown method" yet.

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SiblingCreature

Aha! Thank you for the clarification. :-) Guess such things are at least a few months off for me then... sigh

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

@SiblingCreature

You can get French tree V4 (staff) if you create a new user account as - high likely - you will be put into the A/B test for new users.

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SiblingCreature

Are multiple accounts allowed? I thought there was a rule against it. Either way I don't think I'll bother. Maintaining 2 accounts would probably be a pain, and I wouldn't want to give up my existing progress just to move to a new tree which is allegedly still at beta quality.

I guess I'll just have to be patient... I've waited this long. :-)

That being said, as someone whose account currently locked to the V2 tree, (I have a schools account set up with myself as both teacher and student, which I set up shortly after the schools feature was released) can I access the V3 Tips & Notes via duome.eu or just the V2 version?

Edit: ...Never mind, I just found your link in the other thread. :-)

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Thomas.Heiss

@SiblingCreature

Ah nice, you found it.

Are multiple accounts allowed? I thought there was a rule against it.

Why not.
Some users (e.g user script programmers) even have multiple test accounts.

Here are the guidelines, do you find something: https://www.duolingo.com/guidelines

You can even use the e-mail subadressing for your current e-mail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Subaddressing

just to move to a new tree

We will have to see if staff can improve anything in their "tree update" code to be better compatible with crowns.

Changes ahead for tree transitions: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29156220

which is allegedly still at beta quality.

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/28295420/Newer-French-Tree

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29011235/New-French-tree-Ouch

This larger thread contains multiple threads links.

I wouldn't want to give up my existing progress

Just to play around (e.g placement test, checkpoint tests, skill test-outs) a little bit on a 2nd account just for fun for the new A1 CEFR skills....you don't lose progress on your current account/tree V2.

Is it worth? Time wasted? Dunno.
If you use additional complementing French resources you probably should already know all of this A1 CEFR stuff...

Personally I do not like those MANY "vocabulary skills" (like EN-SP does it nowadays) but I want to focus my efforts on dedicated "grammar skills" to practice all of the more difficult verb tenses.

Staff is IMHO going completely into the wrong direction when they delete dedicated grammar skills in newer trees.

..(...)..

Nowadays I repeat the EN-PT "intro placement test" on the web portal for fun in a new private browser tab" just to see how far I can test-out and which complicated questions I get ;)
Thankfully, we have MANY checkpoints there up to the last skill.
You do not even have to logout your current account session anymore :)

Can I access the V3 Tips & Notes via duome.eu

See my above sub-comment to Trofaste: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29585065$comment_id=29589355

The 65 skills seem to be related to V3.

I had the chance to check a V2 tree from another user in a thread and the count number was less like ~57 skills.

For my EN->PT tree actually there is a gap between 72 notes on the new page and 74 notes on our progress / 3rd "tips and notes" tab on Duome.eu, dunno why.

Best regards / Viele Grüße

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sharon275517

“Staff is going IMHO completely into the wrong direction when they delete dedicated grammar skills in newer trees.”

I was thinking about something related today: Duolingo on their blog writes a lot about how they are always aiming to increase the amount of time people spend with the app (and increase the amount of people who return to the app instead of abandoning it). And I was thinking: “but what if that’s at odds with having features in Duolingo that actually help people learn a language better?”

Your dedicated-grammar-skills-deletion seems to me to be exactly in that category.

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheMenonPenguin

click the light bulb. if this does not work, use the website instead. duolingo.com or tinycard.duolingo.com .

November 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SiblingCreature

What light bulb? I'm not seeing a light bulb icon anywhere in the app. (Except the icons for the Abstract Objects skills themselves, but there's no Tips offered there either as far as I can tell.) I know I can access the tips and notes through the website, that's really not the point. The Google Play store is now advertising this as a feature on the latest version of the Android App. The same version I just installed. A feature that is long overdue, and apparently still non-existent.

November 9, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheMenonPenguin

When you click on a lesson, it should pop up along with a key button.

November 10, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LICA98

that doesn't happen on the app tho

November 10, 2018
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