https://www.duolingo.com/FredrikVC

Duolingo to A2 (and B1, and B2, and C1, and C2...)

From what I understand, the new French tree (if it ever rolls out) is designed to get the user to A1 language level. I'm hoping that they attempt to do the same with all of their language trees.

However, if Duolingo ever decides to go past A1, I would prefer that they create a new, advanced tree, rather than extending the existing tree. Why? Two reasons.

First, there's a large (and vocal) number of users who really don't like losing their progress. They don't want to see the finish line suddenly move far away. I don't know if they represent a majority of the users, but they are definitely noisy.

Second, the reviewing of skills aspect. The larger the tree, the more words and skill that decay. Once you've made it to A1 and started working on A2, you probably shouldn't need to worry about the basics as much. By starting a new tree, there's less that decays, so your review will focus on the additional knowledge in the new tree rather than the old tree which (theoretically) has been beaten to death.

This also means that making additional changes to the French A1 tree will not affect those who have gone beyond A1 to A2. (Hopefully, many of them will have certified their progress with a DELF A1 or similar.)

3 months ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/scarcerer
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I thought the trees (at least ones that aren't only nine skills long) were already supposed to take you to A2-B1 in reading and slightly lower in other skills. For example, see experiences here, here or here.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/CadetheBruce
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Originally yes, Duolingo was making claims that their format got learners to the A2-B1 cusp (although it was always too limited, in particular with the amount of vocabulary the trees teach, to really deliver on that promise).

A French tree that only gets you to A1 is a major downgrade from the volunteer-made tree we've been using that includes skills that teach you advanced use of infinitives, more nuanced structures for expressing time and the subjunctive, among other things.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/firepaw569

Where can I find the volunteer-made tree?

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Noelia_12
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It's the one available now. Each language is set up by volunteers.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/E.T.Gregor
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I don't think DL has ever officially stated how far in the CEFR they mean to get you. That is because it's really hard to clearly say what level someone has after finishing a DL tree, as it's so different in the different subfields of language study.
To get to a higher CEFR level you need to learn to freely use the language actively, i.e. speak and write freely formed sentences in it. Duolingo can't teach you this. The closest it can get is make you translate and speak given sentences. This will give you some idea for how to form sentences in your target language, but from there to any amount of actual language production is a long way. Keep in mind that a student at A1 level would already be expected to be able to write short, simple texts. Some people may be able to do this with only DL, others won't (also depending on the language they took). So, unless DL overhauls the way they teach active skills, they will never be able to teach you past A1 or maybe A2 in speaking and writing. Similarly, a lot of DL trees don't teach you that much vocabulary. Even the longest trees teach fewer than 3000 words by DL's count. Depending on the language you're learning and the source you ask, that's about an A2-B1 level, but: you have to remember that DL counts "go", "goes", "went", "gone" and "going" as five separate words, so the actual base word count is going to be much lower in a lot of languages. So again, DL might get you to A1 or maybe A2 in this respect. On the other hand, Duolingo trees tend to introduce high-level grammar concepts. For example, the DL Italian tree includes a skill on the "passato remoto" (a past tense), which, in the university where I'm currently taking classes, is part of a C1 course. So DL may teach you grammar at a C1 level (although by my experience it's enough for a passive understanding, but not for correct active usage).
Bottom line is: Unless there's a large overhaul in the way DL teaches, you will never get past A1, maybe A2 in all skills, because you cannot learn speaking and writing from translating and parroting given sentences. If DL ever wants to extend their courses, all they can do is more vocabulary and more in-depth teaching of harder grammar subjects.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Enlighten447143

Some great ideas here, and I fully agree!

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

A separate tree sounds like a good idea - but I don't think it is a commercial proposition. Like many classes you pull in lots of beginners - who give up as soon as they have to actually do any work. DL know this and you level up really, really easily at start.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/bZ9ZxSK3

A suggestion for DL is to have an option to be able to input freely formed sentences, that could check your grammar and spelling for errors. It should be an option anytime; it could have word suggestions when you are stuck. Also, it could tell you when you are attempting something that you haven't learned yet, and if it isn't already in the tree, it could teach you that concept or give a link to something else that teaches the concept.

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Noelia_12
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I think that would be a little too much to ask from a free volunteer-based app... :P

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

If Google with all is millions haven't managed this yet, it could be a bit of a stretch for DL to do it!

3 months ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Falen-Angel

Ya, I agre 1000%

3 months ago
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