These certain K-pop fans in the forums... (Discussion Time)
Hey guys, I hope your having a wonderful time. Especially here on Duolingo. So there is something I want to discuss and I hope this doesn't offend anyone. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. I feel like what I'm about to say could annoy some people. But I felt like it really needs to be said.
So for like the past couple of months, the forums are clogged up with K-pop fans. I'm a K-pop fan and I'm not going to talk badly on K-pop. I like how some people express their love for K-pop and such. I'm glad its one of the many reasons for creating a passion for wanting to learn Korean and the culture.
However, it's becoming too much. You need to understand that this site is not a fan club site. It's not a K-pop site. Nor is it a mainly talking about K-pop. It's a language learning site. People use the forums if they are interest about a certain topics on the language or if they want to know something. You can talk about K-pop if it got something to do with language.
So when I see people ask things like: "Why did you want to learn Korean?" or "Why do you want to go to Korea?" And a lot of the time people will only say: "I'm learning Korean for BTS or other K-pop groups." Which is not bad. That's one of the many reasons. But what if your favorite idols does something bad, will that make you not want to learn Korean anymore?
When I see these fans saying that they are doing it for K-pop, I'm like ok, anything else? Why else you want to learn Korean? You can only do it for the love of K-pop. Your allowed to. It's fine. People do stick with learning it for that sole reason. But don't be disappointed if your favorite idol turns out to be a terrible person or if you get bored of it.
Believe me when I say there are crazy K-pop fans that will do anything. The craziest things that are really unnecessary. If you say something like, you don't like Suga's hair being blue. You gonna have a lot of crazy fans attacking you saying that his hair is fine.
One of the most annoying things is when they go on forums spamming ARMY comments and such. If's fine to say your an ARMY. I'm ARMY. but don't shove it down people's throats. Not everyone likes K-pop. It's not something that everyone will know or be into. Usually when I see spams, I ignore it and scroll down. Maybe report if they are bothering someone.
Today when I was scrolling through forums to learn something. Or find something amusing. I saw something that caught my eye. I saw someone's post talking about the army in Japan and how it's like. The army where you fight. Military. Not BTS Army. Just to clarify. This person had their icon showing that they are learning Japanese and is talking about the military terminology in Japan.
The comments on there are mostly positive. Then I saw this one person comment that their favorite part of the army is Jin from BTS. The person that made the post replied that they don't know who Jin is and that they might not have much in common. Then the BTS fan replied saying that was inappropriate to say and that they are gonna report.
I was so mad because the topic was not about BTS, but Army military in Japan. These are the type of people that just ruins the fun of learning Korean and K-pop. Anything about Korea in general. People felt the same way with crazy anime fans. But I feel like that died down a bit. Now the same is happening with some K-pop fans. Some of you guys need to relax.
But don't let them ruin it for you. Continue to work hard. Enjoy Korean music, enjoying learning the language&culture, and enjoy your time here. Like K-pop? Cool. If you don't, it's fine. If you not learning Korean and is taking a different language, still have fun here. (This post is not me attacking anyone, just raising awareness.)
Do you feel the same? Do enjoy learning Korean? I hope you guys are doing well. Have a good positive day and the rest of the week.
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I am army and yah I know that some people are just learning korean because of k pop idols but I honestly just really like korean culture and i want to learn not only for Bts but because I want to go there. But I feel the people who only want to learn to for k pop idols will give up on it. I know I won't. I am determined to learn this language and about it's culture.
Isy458449, That's deep and pretty true. It's important to expand your interest and look into culture and background to get a feel of what's it like learning the language.
I have a friend from Japan and way before he came to the state for exchange student program, he learned English in school for many years. When he came here, he spoke well, not exactly fluent but well enough.
He learned a lot of things before coming here so he doesn't get lost. When he came here he was surprised that cars here drive on the right side and the steering wheel on the left side. It's the opposite in his country. A lot of things shocked him.
I met him on the second day of my high school. We became good friends. I helped him with knowing how its like here. I corrected his grammar a bit and told him things what to do and what you cannot do in the country. He got fluent a couple months later.
When he came here he acted like a typical Japanese kid, after a while, he acted a bit American and blended well with other people. We're still friends to this day.
Sadly, I noticed this attitude everywhere. In k-dramas as well a lot of commenters just spam "army" or make bands wars or are more interested in defending their idol than actually following the story. And tend to throw insults left and right.
I'll throw in a real positivity note. Korean for me is the most beautiful language in the world. It has a "scientifically" concieved alphabet, one that makes a lot of sense, and it's a unique case. The grammar as well is absolutely logic and it's more about rules than exceptions. Especially particles, you change the meaning by simply adding a few letters at the end and that's awesome. I also love how it sounds, and the simplicity of sentence construction.
I hope a lot of people who only got close to the language because of their idols come to appreciate the language itself and go on with it, otherwise yeah I don't see it getting far.
I do like how the letters came to be. It's really interesting. It's you get a piece of the puzzle and put it with another.
K-pop fan here (VIXX Starlight). I wholeheartedly agree with your points. Korean is one of my favorite languages, it saddens me that some people cling on to only one side of the language and forces their passion for it at every turn. The same happens with Japanese and fans of certain Anime shows too, to a lesser extent. I think it's fine if someone wants to learn Korean or Spanish because of their favorite band, Japanese or French because of their favorite show, or Chinese or Greek because they like philosophy, but not everyone learns languages for the same reasons, and not everyone who learns a language will be as serious about it as the next student. I think it's just as important to realize where a person is coming from in learning as it is important to encourage learning.
Korean is a beautiful language on its own. I want to learn it not just so I might talk to my favorite rapper one day, but I also love the history of the alphabet, the way the language works and I strongly believe that Korean culture is one that will adapt and continue to thrive in our technologically advancing world. It's a language with a lot of speakers too, and can open the door to a lot of opportunities if you take it seriously.
I have seen a really haunting and beautiful-in-a-sad-sense zombie movie (Train to Busan) in its original Korean audio with English subtitles. I've eaten bim-bim-bap and enjoyed it immensely. I sometimes play a game that is popular in Korea right now (Starcraft). Korean can help you get into schools to study the ancient game of Go, and the top player right now is Korean (Lee Chang-ho, 9-dan). Korean is so much more than music and idols, like with any other language and culture. I love Korean and that love came from K-pop, but to learn a language is much more than just that. You learn history, philosophy and culture with it. I think that's more beautiful than a song any day. Not even lyrics in a song can communicate the beautiful nature of that fully. It's an experience that is so unique I have trouble knowing what words to use for it directly. But it's something I love in Korean and my other favorite languages.
I love your comment a lot. There are more to the language than idols. It's not so different with the language you know and the country you grow up with. The country you live in, your already know the history, music, and trends because you have to know it since it has an impact on you and your basically surrounded by it.
I Kpop has been blowing up for a while. It's getting more popular, especially this year. But at some point, people will get tired of it. MAYBE. Not exactly a fact. Because I know with certain people, it's a phase. At one point in my life, maybe in middle school or early high school, I was listening to a certain type of music, then at some point, it got annoying. And I'm glad I left that phase because it was really cringy.
Korea got interesting things like crazy live reality shows. Muk-bang. Their dramas are quite interesting. They got like so many types of variety of food that it's hard to keep up with. How they develop the letters are quite interesting. It's like a puzzle, you put a letter with another letter and you already know the sound of both of them. I heard their beauty and health products are very good for you. And I heard it works.
I just want to let folks know, if someone reports you and you didn't do anything wrong, nothing will happen to you. Why? Because when staff reads those reports, they then visit the forums to verify if the accusations are true or not. (If people delete their comments, staff can still see them.)
Next, don't tell someone you are going to report them. If they are doing something that you feel is bad enough that staff should get involved, just report them. But, be sure they deserve to be reported. If someone is a little rude, well some people are a little rude. Just give them space and stop interacting with them. If their actions are not merely rude but dangerous or stalking or using slurs or trying to emotionally abuse someone into hurting themselves, you know serious violations of the Community Guidelines or Terms of Service then staff needs to know about it. If someone reports a bunch of people and those reports turn up flat, the person using the form to harass is going to get booted. Duolingo forums are here to build a language-focused community, not to harass people.
If those K-Pop discussions are language focused, they are welcome to be here as much as any other language discussion. Folks who want to see something language-related that isn't K-Pop, you can set an example. Find really cool, language-related articles. It doesn't just have to be about grammar or pronunciation. Language-related can be about history, culture, science, technology and so on, just so long as they tie in to language.
We have an opportunity here. Look how many language nerds we have gathered in one place. (I'm very proud to be one of those language nerds.) It's clear we have a shared interest (language!). We found our ways to this interest from different routes. Some of us K-Pop, anime, ancestry, travel, immigration, friends, professions, etc. and all of those routes are legitimate and lead us to our AWESOME shared interest! Find information and post the kinds of discussions that you would want to read. That way, there are many different kinds of language discussions people can choose from. :)
I agree. I also am an ARMY, but it makes me feel very disappointed when ARMYs spam all kinds of sites, bother other users, or react poorly when others aren't familiar with BTS. Please guys, show respect to other people! :'(
I know right. It's fine to make a certain post about Kpop, if others aren't familiar with it and they want to learn, as long its about something about Korea. But spamming Army crap on things its not related to that is very annoying.
first off I love your name rose I used to wish that was my name and second I completely agree with you, I have a friend who is insane when it comes to BTS I went like OMG I really like v and she goes NO V IS MINE, and I go well first off you can't have him to yourself, second off he doesn't even know you exist, and third off i've seen the age difference he is like 6 years older than you and she goes i still have a chance because i am 14 and i still have a chance, and i'm like wow just wow and she fights with me every time she hears me say the name v or Kim tae-hyung
Yeah, I agree, that's obsessive. There's definitely a difference between thinking someone looks attractive and wanting to date him, simply because you can't EVER be sure xP
yeah actually I am having a lot of fun here I just moved to Athens Ga, 2 years ago and I am from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, but i used to think k-pop was trash but now i really like it, and at first the only reason i wanted to learn korean was to meet bts one day but that phase was so short and then i realized that korean was a really fun and interesting language to learn
I reacted to it too. When finally the extreme amount of requests for a Latin course (which I support) every week went down, then all these BTS spammings came instead. I get it, they love BTS. I don't think I have ever heard a song by them at least when I was aware of it. Music is one of many reasons I study Japanese but I don't post about my favorite bands whole the time, not even once.
One reason to get down with the spammings of lazy users who don't search, is to change the forum to look more like a classic forum. Then it's easier to see older discussions.
I agree with you 100%. I have my favorite band on my username, but I don't brag and only talk about them. I am sorry about what happened with the Latin situation. Hopefully the requests will come back. I wish you the best on your Japanese :)
I don't think, necessarily, it's the lazy users who don't search, simply because I search and it doesn't work.
Yeah. I decided I want to learn Hangul at the very least because I just got into k-pop (blame that League of Legends K/DA video--I've listened to mostly BlackPink and G-IDLE almost 24/7 since, when not listening to the song POP/STARS a billion times....)
But it was weird to show up to the discussions page and find nothing but k-pop stuff. A little of it is one thing; but I'm also on here to learn French, and their discussion page is mostly people talking about.....French. XD
Yes! It's weird, isn't it? It's mainly because of the major online presence of kpop, and how kpop itself is ONLY found online. It's like, if you remember at all, how everyone was into Doctor Who during like 2013ish, but again, BTS is more online than anywhere else. But yeah, it is definitely a weird thing lol (i'm not being sarcastic, I'm just interested in the weirdness of it and kind of running my mouth xP)
I agree... I love Korean but when people just say that they want to learn Korean so they can meet BTS it's just sorta cringe.... You should learn it to embrace the culture and everything about, not so you can fantasize about dating V...
Hey idk if this was originally a post but it's just blank now, just to let you know xP
Guys she didn't post this to bash fans she's obviously a fan as well. Just.. Everyone doesn't love kpop and flooding the forum with That is unfair to people who come here for information and discussion on the topic of the language. And no I don't think that learning a language to talk to famous people is a good enough reason. Yeah there go to be motive but it can't be 'so I can ask v to marry me '
To me those who are spamming on the Duolingo's forum (and not only here), are kids or immature people which only need to be ignored. It's sad that the interesting posts in the Korean Forum are swallowed by those stupid wars and topics about BTS, dudes there are plenty of other websites to talk about that.
Who misreads military army for ARMY? If that koreaboo wants to learn Korean, at least get English right. And I'm always careful about who I call a 'koreaboo'.
Bruhhhh! I know right! Who does get those two mixed. I think this person was an English speaker and just wanted attention. You think Weeaboos are terrible but Koreaboos are just as bad. I haven't really called anyone Koreaboos because I don't see them often doing something to this degree. When I saw that, It was hard for me to keep my two cents to myself.
I told the person off and that person apologized in the end feeling embarrassed. I told that person just be careful on what you do because you will get unwanted attention.
I absolutely have to agree with you - I don't usually comment on the forums but at the beginning of the Korean course on here I was absolutely demotivated by it. I personally am not a fan of BTS, I can't get along with their music and have met too many terrible fans to let it redeem itself, but I had the high hopes that perhaps it would improve here. Instead, I was greeted by comments on the discussions for answers filled with armies - it didn't even have to be a comment relating to BTS, just the icon was enough to set them off. I know people have asked Duolingo to reprimand them for disrupting our learning, but they say that so long as it's relevant to the culture it's alright. But it very nearly put me off learning the language, after all, I am here to learn, not listen to people yell about music in such a disruptive manner. I sincerely hope they re-evaluate this decision or introduce a report button because I know a lot of people are exasperated by it. I like kpop, it's just what happens when you try and immerse yourself in a language. But I don't repeatedly post on irrelevant discussions, it just feels rude. I've had to repeatedly mess around with the club tool to find one that isn't filled with armies, and I finally found one that seems decent, so my fingers are crossed! They seem to thin out the higher up you get though, so I'm holding out hope that I can continue to learn in peace. I really, really hope somebody steps in though.
Thank you for this! I don't like kpop so coming here for information and only finding stuff about who someones bias is is quite annoying. I don't mean any hate but being obsessed with people who you dont even know and who dont even know you exist is quite crazy. I mean of course you never know what could happen but still take in to consideration that some people are here because they actually love the language, not because they're obsessed with a few girls or guys. We're here to learn guys
First of all not all of us are obsessed, and secondly then why do so many k pop groups have names for their fans? They may not know every single one of our names but they definitely know we exist. And yeah I mean people want to learn a language for k pop, who cares? It's just like people who want to learn english for singers, actors, or even performers they like it's no different because it's korean. Also yeah people can be annoying, but can you control that? No. Obviously you needed someone to tell you that you should respect peoples opinions.
I'll just say anything to lighten up something. Who likes chocolate? o.o Idk Just felt like saying this. Weather here is a bit chilly. Nothing new here that much on forums. Just ignore me...
Chocolate is perfect! I just made a plate of apple slices and brie cheese actually. And there is enough to share.
shares apples and brie cheese with everyone in the discussion.
usagiboy you're a kind person! this forum is getting a bit dramatic anyway, apples are good
I think people get dramatic sometimes because they really care about something. And that's sometimes where we can see their heart. The person who posted this discussion cares about language. They want to see a wider variety of discussions. I love that! I really like reading things about language I've never encountered before. Another person in this discussion worried that others might be getting tricked or decieved. To them, they care about people knowing the truth. I might not agree with everything people say or how they go about saying it. But, behind my screen I can take note that they are showing their hearts in their own ways. :)
Anyhow, I'm happy to have everyone's company with these apples. It doesn't show up well in the picture. But, the apples I bought are huge. I'm not going to be able to eat all of that by myself. =^_^=
Hahahaha. Clap UsagiBoy7, you really are the best. Thanks for your hospitality.
This surely did brighten things up.
Hey, you're the one who brought the chocolate! :D
As for my comment to Alexandra, I didn't know if anyone would read it much less care what it said. Thank you. One of my favorite things about the Duolingo forums is that we are people coming from all over the world and different experiences and jobs and things like that. A lot of us will get to know people we never would have otherwise. And some people will be very different from each other. I think, I hope, it will increase our compassion for other people. Maybe, we can have an impact that reduces violence around the world. :)
Btw Usagi. I read your story to alexandra. It was really touching. It made me feel some time of way.
This post has gotten crazy a bit. At least, It's not boring.
I didn't think my post would blow up and get this big. I don't think I seen a post get this popular to my knowledge since I been here.
Usagi, your are right. I do care. I feel like the chocolate thing worked. Truth be told, I don't like seeing arguments much and let alone, I don't like debates. It really brings the nasty side of people.
Sure I may not agree to certain people's opinion, but I respect it. The chocolate thing was really a good idea.
The chocolate was a genius move ;) People let out some steam here and also got to know each other better. I have to head to sleep. I have a challenge for you. Find 1 really cool article about Korean and share it with the forum. If you do, reply to my comment here (or above if there is no reply button to this one) with a link to it and I'll check it out.
Goodnight everybunny! ^_~
I totally agree with you! I love learning languages for many different reasons. I think that you should want to learn a language because it interests you and you are truly curious and want to learn. If you are only learning for the music and not because you honestly care to learn the language, like the culture, the way it sounds, its writing, etc., it is WAY easier to become bored of. You should enjoy what you are learning and have many reasons to learn. Learning a language is a BIG time commitment and takes a lot of patience. I'm not saying this is the same case for everyone, but in my experiences, it has taken me a long time and a LOT of work. Thank you!
Quite an interesting post you've got there.
I remember something that happened back when I started joining Duo-Korean clubs. A member made a post saying "who's army?". I had no idea what ARMY meant. I thought maybe ppl from the military are learning languages or something!
In my opinion, loving kpop is not a good enough reason to learn Korean. And these kpop lovers will give up learning Korean at some point.
Admittedly, I do want to learn korean because I want to be able to sing along and understand what the songs are about, but that is just a starting point. It's great to find the motivation to get you started, and then being pulled more and more into it as you learn and progress. I find the writing fascinating; and something that is true about all languages is that the more you learn the more you love it just for what it is: grammar, spelling, communication (and a chance to make your cv fancier and to just show off and have fun). There's nothing wrong with taking up a language because of a very specific interest related to it, but if after a while you're still into it solely for that then I don't think you're learning the right way, and you will most likely never make it past a certain plateau. It's a shame, really, that some of the more obsessive fans can't tell the language and what it represents apart from the thing they're obsessed with. Makes me wary of visiting the forums once I move from french to korean. And this may be a biased perception, but why is it mostly armies the ones that seem to do this??
Alexandra, my first contact with Japanese was through anime and manga. I was in a small town surrounded by people who were hostile to LGBTQ people (Which includes me) and anime saved my life. Specifically, the series Utena and Sailor Moon. I took a step towards not hating myself when I watched those and then read the manga. I got to see characters who could exist and care about each other and not endlessly deal with some of the animosity around me. So, I decided to take a chance on living and many years later I'm very glad to still be alive.
I am what folks would call a "Moonie". Aka a very devoted fan of all things Sailor Moon. I have the comic books, original Peach magazines in Japanese that helped launch the manga series, stuff like that. It's all in storage right now and has been for a while. My interests in the language only branched out several years after discovering anime and manga. There is certainly this stigma of where people's language interests start. As if there is something too immature about having a hobby. It's a one-upmunship that I'm not interested in. It doesn't do anything good for the world but it sure can hurt people's feelings. It's a generates a cruel sort of joy or self-pride for some people that I find tasteless. So, I was really happy to see you unashamedly claim your origin of interest in the language despite there being a stigma. :)
You make an important point about how a limited point of interest, if it never branches out, creates a limited point of contact with the language. I suppose if folks don't need more than enough Korean to discuss their interests then that's exactly as much language as they need. But, if they want to become fluent some day, it would help that goal if they branched out into things like Korean food, social customs, dance, art, crafts, clothing, literature, and things like that.
Anyhow, thanks for your comment. I was happy to see it. :)
I agree with your opinion! For me to learn Korean not just for BTS or Kpop but also because I like this language!
On the Duo forum, there are many crazy fans of many groups in kpop and they posted a lot of spam topics! Myself is also an ARMY but I don't agree with that! This is a place to learn, to know a lot of knowledge and to share learning experiences, not where you can post spam topic but you like!
That's my opinion! I don't mean to offend anyone. But you have to know that in this forum not only fans of kpop groups!
Thank you army. Hopefully this eventually calm down a bit. Same thing kinda happened with Anime fans but now it got better. Keep working hard Army! Do you best!
Now, I can't learn Korean, maybe because of too much homework! But I will not give up on this! I will try to arrange time, if i can't, I will study next summer!
I'm happy to hear that your not willing to give up. It's not easy to learn the language and it can take up time if you don't have much of it. Thanks for not giving up. :D
I agree that fans of Kpop who try to create disturbances in the Korean forum and in unrelated forums are making it hard to enjoy the forum experience. I expected this when I first heard that a Korean course was being made. However, there isn't anything we can do about the situation because people will do what they think is right, and we can't control that no matter how bad the situation gets. I would try to ignore posts or situations involving spammers and/or obsessive fans and actively try to find posts that are engaging and helpful. I think you will be much happier and you may get the most out of your Korean forum experience then. ^ ^
To be honest, I don't go on forums that often. Usually I'm here and do the lessons. When I go to forums I like to see what people are talking about and if I can learn something from people's post.
Even when I see annoying post or comments, I always scroll down and act like I didn't see it at all. I brought this topic because not so long ago, I saw someone attack someone for not knowing BTS. This seem odd. I also see someone spamming they love K-pop multiple time one after another. The same person will comment it then make another comment under their comment saying the same thing.
I love that people appreciate the music. I do too. But when anything becomes big. You get amazing passionate fans. And you will get strange ones.
I think it's best when you see someone do these wrong things, you should tell them what they are doing is wrong or report it. Your right about ignoring it. It will make you happier. Because you will get online trolls that just want to spam.
The one thing I can address there is a bug creating duplicate copies of a discussion when someone only intends to create it once. :( It is happening in all forums that I'm aware of.
No prob. I'm glad if it can reduce people's frustration with each other. :)
Yeah, even the moderators were confused for a bit, thinking people were intentionally spamming. Which, some do. But at the moment it's mainly bugs. Fortunately, we've found a way to tell the difference.
I do that occasionally, too-- I'm just quick to tell because I'm here often lol
I'm glad you're raising awareness because behaviors like you indicated in your original post can be hurtful for people who are, unfortunately, involved. I guess when some people really like a certain thing, it's as if the entire world is surrounded by that one thing (for instance, these types of fans will always associate Army with ARMY or BTS (behind the scene) with the idol group BTS). I'm sure this is just a phase and as they grow into Kpop they will become less... Hyper, for a lack of better terms. XD
I just love learnin Korean and I also love K pop! I mean, we should learn Korean to 'understand' K pop well and efficiently. Korean is a wonderful language to learn. It's history is also magnificent! I wish people will understand Korean itself and not because of K pop- but I also absolutely love K pop! I like the pronounciation by the way, it's pretty interesting.
I feel ya about that. I want to understand what singers are saying and to understand it when I'm watching shows&movies without looking at subtitles.
I agree with your opinion. I am a Japanese ARMY. I, the matter of the atomic bomb T-shirt,It is not an act to be able to permit as the person all day long. I know the renowned idol in the world, and it is no matter how natural even if I made an excuse saying that I do not know the old history of we Japan. It is what the whole world knows that we Japan and Korea have bad relation. It may be said that it is one social problem. However, in here these days, anti-Japan anti-Korea disappeared. In Japan, I was said to be the second boom in Korea, and an impression of Korea was improving. But such a thing happens, and appear on television after appearance postponement of MUSIC STAITION, a dome tour; there was no it, and the live broadcasting in Japan became undecided, too. I did not want them to take such an action. If I learned Japanese and talked and was going to increase fans in Japan, I did not want you to touch the place where the Japanese must not touch. There are even people who it cannot pass away even if it wants to pass away, and suffer in both quite a few Japan and the world. Even if it was a Korean independent banzai T-shirt, I think that you must not ride the photograph of the mushroom cloud. Even if anyone looks; "is ん?" I think that it is ってなる print and think not only the atom bomb T-shirt but also the clothes of the Nazis to be wrong. Though I am not blamed too much because Japanese zelkova slope 46 has become the topic in similar clothes, I think that you should have acted carefully. A mistake and the correct answer separate you tight, and I want to support you while supporting you as ARMY. Their all are not bad and want you to reflect enough at this time. I am sorry if not good for your ideal answer.
It is influence of K-POP mainly that I study Korean. However, they are good people, but even a bad person studies Korean. I want to do the work called the interpreter in the future. Therefore I study four languages including Japanese now. English, Japanese, Spanish and Korean. Of course I learn that I talk with BTS and TWICE for the work that I want to do in the future. Even if there is anything, I do not stop it because it is to want to do it!
I hear about the Japanese-Korean relationship is not good. I hear it is improving a lot. Time to time I hear about media and the government try to make it seem like that country is wrong or that country is actually wrong.
But I think with every generation, it's getting better. I hear about Japanese like Korean entertainment. and Koreans also like Japanese entertainment. Both different countries and different background and culture. But are interested in each others culture. It beautiful.
Not all fans are bad. I know. I was only talking about the only few who bully others and bring others down and troll around the forums. I love your story it was really interesting to listen to. I felt like I really did learn something.
Interpreter is a good career choice. I hear you get good pay. especially if you speak more languages. I hope you meet your favorite K-pop group one day.
Yeah, I'm also an K-pop fan (though not ARMY). Well, I remember a time when I had a doubt in a certain question while learning korean, so i switched to discussions and the top posts i saw were of people bragging about bts and stuff (which i did report) which was really irrelevant and annoying. I mean, I come across these kinds of unnecessary posts in all Korean discussions.
I feel your pain. Keep away with certain post. I hope that my post will get these crazy fans to listen up a bit and hopefully change. That way the forums will have more relevant things.
Sure. I agree, mostly, with you here-- but I think it's a bad idea, definitely, to act like people don't learn French, for instance, because they like the aesthetic nature of it, or you know, the obvious one, Japanese for Anime. Or Spanish because it's THERE and kind of a "sexy" language (similarly to French, actually). It's just less... There's a big culture around Kpop, a big online culture, so therefore it gets SHOWN more online. Simply because it's based online. There's no real way to communicate about kpop other than online. I mean, ofc, we all have friends... but it's not like western pop where you can just turn on the radio and sing with your "squad". The presence itself is online and will leak out into places like Duolingo.
Which is why it's such a big problem here, rather than a language like French, or even Spanish-- and I'd argue even Japanese. I mean, i have more reasons as to why Kpop is SO big (the "i'm not like other girls/boys/non-binary" reason-- same with Nerd culture being so big in 2010-2016ish) but it's definitely based more online than anything else, which is why, again, it's such a gigantic problem here rather than anywhere else.
I might actually make a post about this. I'm also not defending kpop fans, I don't love that they do this. I just think you should cut them a little slack maybe. It's also good, I think, that you say this AS A KPOP FAN, simply because a lot of the problem lies in the "us vs them" nature of it-- and this happens with fanwars a lot. You see this in BLACKPINK right now, with Jennie and all that stuff-- BLINKS (or BLINDS as some are saying-- not supporting name-calling at all, just throwing it out there) often blindly support her and act like other people are simply dumb. On the other hand, ONCES, other girl group stans, boy group stans, often ARE blind in how they approach the whole situation and blindly bash her without actually looking at the footage from the shows and seeing that her energy level just fluctuates, partly because it's a long show. But that's not excusing her-- just THAT specific instance that everyone's so upset about isn't necessarily the best case of it. (there are plenty others, though, I'm not really on Jennie's side either, just not blindly bashing her or supporting her.)
And I KNOW that's what's happening right now with the Armies and stuff- I don't know who's who, but I know there's definitely some blindly bashing and supporting everywhere, and it's good for people who DO love kpop to bring up that like, "hey it's not a good idea to spam the forums lol"