Introducing Duolingo’s Redesign!
Notice something new?
If you use the Duolingo app, you may have noticed that Duolingo is suddenly looking refreshingly different. We have been working on a new design of everything from the exercises to our beloved Duo. It is a huge project for us, and the result is a brighter, more intuitive look that has shown promise in being more engaging and fun, and has also permitted us to do things like add more animations, give Duo a lot more expression and personality, and improve consistency everywhere.
If you haven’t seen it yet, chances are you will soon. Currently all iOS users and most Android users should have access to it. Since the learning and engagement metrics are very positive, we expect to roll out to all users on web in the coming months.
This isn’t our first major design update. In fact, some of you may recall Duo’s evolution over the years:
Visual changes tend to elicit passionate responses, and we expect this to be no different given how much this community cares about Duolingo and our mission. Many of our teams have been working on this massive undertaking. Our designers have spent days and nights drafting, iterating, debating, and redesigning to provide us with illustrations and animations that look and feel consistent with our new style, and that also lends itself to new types of learning exercises. Our developers have been working even harder than usual (and they usually work pretty hard!) to roll these changes out to everyone as smoothly and quickly as possible. These teams are looking forward to hearing your feedback as we all adjust to these changes. Thank you for all your dedication to language learning, and we hope this change will be a refreshing way to start the New Year!
I especially love how the chicken grew up to be a magnificent middle-aged pizza baker.
Indeed. He's grown into quite the big cheese!
Personally, I love how the tomato changed its mind, mid mitosis, metamorphosing into a lovely red hat. :D
Cardinal truth (too much?), the red creates a nicer contrast. And, whereas Chefs are known for their white hats, Fromagers/Fromagère are known for breaking the mold. I approve. ^_^
In Duolingo's new design, things and people are big, fat and unfriendly (tomato, chicken, cook)!
Do Duolingo's new pictures really fit within the modern American (food) culture?
Where does Duolingo still use the people characters? I haven't seen them in the mobile app in months, and when I asked here a while back, I was told they were discontinued.
So normal tomato, normal chicken and normal chef have turned into big, knobbly, misshapen tomato, chicken so obese it can't stand up and Quasimodo in a toque? The new design seems to consist of a deformed, corrupted version of the old design.
However, much as I don't like it on first glance, I don't consider the aesthetics of the pictures very important so long as they're all easily recognisable; one quickly gets used to these things whether one likes them or not.
What is much more important is having a spaced-repetition system that tells us which skills need practising. Please could you take a little of the time spent adding drips of icing to pictures of cakes to come up with a spaced-repetition system that works with crowns, and then Quasimodo can cook as many morbidly-overweight hens, nightmare, deep-sea fish and blotchy, mutant eggs as he likes without any complaints from me.
Lessons have started taking much longer to load on the app. A full minute, sometimes even two, compared to several seconds pre-update. Is anyone else getting this issue?
Yep, plenty of time to see the newly-animated strolling Duo as the lesson loads, and loads, and loads. Huge negative.
Yeah I'm having this problem also. Sometimes it won't even load at all, or it will crash.
Yes. I, too, have experienced the site crashing multiple times over the past week and a half. The very frustrating part of this is that the site crashes After I have finished a lesson and then I don't get credit for the lesson when I log back in. Lessons are taking longer to load, as well. I do not want any animations for this reason, it makes sites too busy, too likely to crash, and too long to load. Granted my internet signal is not the strongest, but I haven't had issues with it until recently.
I'm with you - I had just finished the test-out from one skill that had 50 lessons in it (so 500XP) and the site crashed just at the end of the test. Not only did it not give me the 500XP, it didn't even register that I had completed a lesson - and my internet connection is just fine.
If that "Duo's evolution" picture is anything to go by, I definitely prefer the current look.
I guess I'll wait and see, especially since I only use the web version.
Duo is really a subspecies of Immortal Jellyfish. Unlike other species of Immortal Jellyfish that drift through the water, Duo's species floats through the air. (I mean, before Duo, had you ever heard of a green owl?? Green jellyfish, on the other hand... )
The truth is owlthere. >.>
The green thing you circled on the left, is the next Duo logo. A green thing.
Exactly. The 2019 version looks like it's from a kids' game. But it's just one tiny thing among many, many other that may end up being far better.
Looking at Duo's evolution, I realized that Duo grows "younger" and now looks like a baby owl compared to the previous versions... I'm afraid if Duo keeps getting younger at this pace, soon we'll see an egg instead of the bird...
Duolingo team, please ensure your redesign is easy on the system resources. The last thing your users want is more lag introduced for the sake of aesthetics. Don't forget that there are users with low or mid-range smartphones as well. It doesn't make sense if an education app eats up more resources than an actual game.
Or even those of us who have low or mid-range desktops and notebooks, and who also leave hundreds or thousands of tabs open (with their system processes finished through Chrome or Opera Task Manager) who we wish neither to close nor to add to bookmarks.
Try OneTab or other browser apps, btw :) Works for me, when my computer gets overloaded by tons of open tabs.
I don't think this is intentional, but the font size for certain languages are way too small.
Exhibit A (English from Japanese):
Exhibit B (Japanese from English):
Reading Chinese and Japanese kanji with that kind of font size would be a pain, and would force users to just rely on the audio (if it's available).
Wow, that's pretty bad! They should let people know that they'll need a magnifying class before starting lessons :b
When I first learned Japanese, font size was really important. All the Kanji readers I used had large fonts, but as I progressed through kindergarten textbooks and then Middle school textbooks, the fonts got smaller and smaller.
So the font size for "お母さん、行ってきます" is probably the standard size for the novels I read, but when I started learning Japanese, it probably would have been too small.
Maybe Duolingo could start with a Large font for everything, and then progressively reduce the size of the font as people advance.
Having finished the English to Japanese tree some time back, it's far more friendly to newbies back then. (It's as large as the other text in that screenshot, more or less.)
But anyways, yeah, maybe they should make the font size larger for certain languages (Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and perhaps even Hindi and the planned Arabic) so that those who aren't used to them can have time to adjust.
P.S. Oh, it gets smaller too once I bring out the keyboard. There are other issues with the keyboard too, but I don't think it's part of the redesign.
I had that tiny font size issue a few months ago in the Spanish course! Strange, and I agree that it's irksome
Ever since this latest update, I've moved to the web version, so I didn't notice the same problem in the other courses using the Latin alphabet. Just now, I quickly booted up the app on my phone (I still have it just in case), and took a quick look at a French exercise. True enough, the font is tiny. On my phone, it's way smaller than a 8pt font printed out.
Sure, it's a bigger problem for the non-Latin alphabet using courses, but it's still a pain.
I take your point about the font sizes, fine perhaps for katakana and hiragana, but not so for kanji. That said, these are Japanese sentences are rather odd as are the word choices for the translation!
Perhaps I'm already way too used to weird sentences that they didn't really strike me as weird.
The Japanese course has a hat-selling-dog that killed an entire village. The French course once had its quirky sentences (it has since been changed). And Esperanto has a dramatic story surrounding Adam and Sofia (depending on your interpretation: they're siblings, but some people imagine them as lovers).
If you're still having that issue, it's strange (though expected).
I've used the (android) app version yesterday and I found the issue with Japanese fixed... sort of. Now, the instructions are tiny and the question sentence text is kind of back to how large it was in the old version.
I wish I've made a screenshot of it, but I was in a hurry.
This isn’t our first major design update. In fact, some of you may recall Duo’s evolution over the years:
I like the 2014 version better. I do not use the app, but even the owl, you used for your current avatar, looks like a set of low-quality polygons. There are no straight lines in nature, but the new owl design is full of them. Sorry for the criticism, I understand that you can not please everyone.
What, of course there are! They are sitting in the trees everywhere! They are just very well camouflaged. In winter, naturally, they get a coat of white feathers and they're called snowy owls then.
Do you think that if they repaint it, the problem finally disappears? Hmmm, it might work!
One suggestion: there really should be an option in the setting to turn off the animations. I usually use Duolingo when I'm out and about and would prefer to minimize data use. Other people have mentioned loading speed and accessibility as well. If we had a toggle switch, all those issues would be easily remedied.
They aren't listening. They are shifting from a language learning app to a game for kids. That's where the user base is - kids are funnelled in by schools and it doesn't matter if they drop out. It's numbers. So they make the font too small for older eyes and waste bandwidth with stupid animations (maybe DL has shares in phone companies/ISPs and are making their money on data sales - or maybe they just want to hurry on Global Warming with all those wasted server cycles using power).
Basic engineering - if it ain't broke don't "fix" it. How many people had issues with "not cute enough" , "too easy to see", "too easy to use"? Why isn't all that considerable resource put into FIXING AND COMPLETING THE COURSES?
Judit - my thoughts exactly. I lingot you. It's all for the kiddies.
You are right. They are not listening. Because their founder doesn't believe we have anything to tell him, and that's the corporate culture he has created. All the good from duolingo comes from the language teams, and they are volunteers! See this article: https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/290664
For whatever reason this guy has been making the rounds lately. He was interviewed last week on a US radio program MarketPlace. I don't know why I was surprised to see how young he is. But now it all makes sense. Living in the Bay Area, you can see everywhere how the aloofness of tech "wizards" is almost epidemic. And it shows in products like Duolingo. Of course he doesn't listen to users, preferring only metrics. Of course his site doesn't care about functionality, only appearance. Of course it's maintained mostly by unpaid volunteers attracted - and thus exploited by - the idea of community. This attitude is practiced everywhere in countless sites and companies, from Uber to Tesla to Facebook and Apple. We could all chant "burn the site down" on this forum and as long as the metrics at the Apple Store are kept up, no one in this company will care two figs. He's a rich entitled kid raised in a poor country and is used to living in a bubble.
I'd wish to be a programmer, I would create an alternative to Duo once it's gone (and maybe soon, as the founder probably seach a new and better source of incomes than Duo.)
If you do a quick google search it says the average user is about 18 yrs old and 18 yr olds make up the majority too. Kids arent really that serious about language learning. A better idea is for duo to make features that serves an interest to schools rather than to children directly. i dont understand big corporations tbh
It's not good statistics. It's not about the age of the average user, it's about having a working site, and a working communities.
You can have a ton of kids in the app, you can have a ton of grown-up people. But, as the way to moderate the forums are not efficient, and the app is based on free volunteer helping, replying to grammar questions, it's mandatory to have elder users, not kids too. A community based on kids is useless, as kids won't stay for a long time, they'll find other games, and switch.
And if none is more mature than them, the forum is only a long list of spam messages "Hello, I'm 8 and you?".
So, it's not about the average user, it's about complementarity in the community, but Duo didn't understand that...
Can you share where you found that? That sounds interesting and I'm having trouble seeing that for myself.
Yes, but we need sources. Anyone can make a site and post an estimated average age.
It's a long time the process began. And you're very right Judit.
1/ They aren't listening. So all the complaints made here and elsewhere are pointless.
2/ The new Duo business plan is an app for kids.
I don't like the redesign. As others said, it's too bright, too crowded and too childish. And personally I find the font much harder to read. Other design changes that I don't like: - Removing the flag scarve from the owl trophy - Removing the owl from the daily streak screen (I have the champagne tracksuit and the owl looked really cool in it in the daily streak screen, this is very motivational, so why was it removed?) - Making the owl look overly cutesy to guilt-trip people into doing more/coming back to the app. Honestly, it makes me want to use Duolingo even less.
I read in an article that Duolingo wants the app to feel even more like a game: https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/13/18137843/duolingo-owl-redesign-language-learning-app
While this can help attract people learn a language who might otherwise not want to learn one, I think it's a bit dangerous to turn it more and more into a game. We already have a lot of frustration from people about the confusing crown levels, having the feeling they lose everything when new skills are added and their crowns are not golden anymore, the health system and lost streaks. Instead of actually learning a language and embracing the progress they make, people might be too focused on getting achievments and will be frustrated if they "lose" something in the "game".
Instead of design changes I would really appreciate if Duolingo would add more features to the app (instead of taking them away!) There are still no notes for most languages on the app. The stories are still not on the app.
Another thing I dislike about this new update is that the XP bonus for not making (many) mistakes in a lesson was removed from the app. I always found this very motivating. It was also a great way to give people a bit more if they didn't make mistakes, but didn't really punish people who do make a lot of mistakes during a lesson. It would have been better to also integrate the feature on the web or at least to KEEP it in the app.
The thing is, personally I never wanted a game. When I began using Duo, it was because the site was easy to use, and taught things in their own segments, with explanations; it wasn't difficult at all to start learning.
I didn't come to play, though, I came to learn; and the app, in fact, slowed down my progress, which was remedied when I switched to the web version. I wasn't given Tips & Notes, and originally I didn't even know they existed. I thought, when I came to grammatical points, I'd have to figure it out myself separate of Duo. It was frustrating to lose "health" when I made simple mistakes. Why was I being punished for mistakes, when mistakes are vital to the learning process? Why was I unable to proceed with learning, when I made too many of these, especially when Duo wasn't telling me what I needed to know in the first place? After all, wasn't that why I decided against continuing Rosetta Stone, because I wanted grammar subjects presented clearly to me?
Then I started with the website, and all of that changed. I had all the things I liked about Duo, without the faults of health and the absence of Tips & Notes.
I don't care how "cute" it looks, because it was fine beforehand. I'm here to learn, which is why I'd rather see progress in language courses, in bringing stories to new languages, in getting rid of that hindering "health," in implementing Tips & Notes in the app to help people learn. After all, Tips & Notes help me learn, not a redesigned owl logo.
Why hasn't anyone addressed the elephant in the room‽ The health system is unfortunately still here. If this update is more "child friendly", why is the feature still there?
If I was seven years old when I started Duolingo, which I think is actually earlier than when I made my first account, I would have been annoyed by having to wait hours upon hours to get more "lives" to try something out. This is similar, to me, at least, free trials or premium only deals.
This feature is almost insulting, and I'm still unsure why it is still a thing.
(Also, I know the top comment relates to mine, but more discussion!)
It seems like the "Health System" has returned in this new Duolingo look. It wasn't here while we still had gilded system and crowns/skill levels.
Bring back the ability for redoing lessons and see the words introduced in each lesson. Please. :)
my biggest problem is actually: if I make a mistake, the correction and translation cover my initial sentence and I can't compare my sentence and the correction to see which mistake I actually made :(
Yeah just two weeks ago they removed that ability on the mobile web version. I can't bring myself to use the mobile web version anymore since that bug makes it a mess. Several people have posted it to the troubleshooting forum. Have you reported it as a bug?
Four redesigns of your logo in eight years seems incredibly excessive. Here's the thing, I recall seeing the 2011 logo in the past yet when I joined Duolingo a few months ago I did not realize it was the same thing. I will say I am primarily a mobile user and I don't want to see animations as that's not how I want to waste my data. Ultimately as long as Duolingo remains an effective tool for learning the visuals don't matter so much but constant change is not a good thing.
And the money they spend on this. A new logo is expensive, it's not free.
We all are going to.
I don't mind the new one..although I kinda liked the different lessons being different colors when they were all completed. I don't like the orangy gold but then again I'm not an 18 year old. I'm 55 going on 12 :D
And I decided to go Plus at the end of last year when I saw it was on "sale." I am not sure I will continue it after this year is up because, frankly, I think it's really annoying that when I don't work on it for a few days, and it breaks my streak (it was something like 265 days or something like that), it used up my monthly streak repair and because i went over the two days, it wanted to charge me 13.99 to fix it. That should be something that doesn't happen if you are a plus member. Gee Duo, sorry I was out of internet service/phone service for a few days.... Like it was my fault.
Let me preface this with the fact that I like Duo and find it very useful. However....
I don't really see a point in the new redesign. It doesn't improve my Duo experience in any way, and as some have noted, the app now takes much longer to load on my phone, sometimes a lesson will take a minute while I watch the owl dance.
I don't really have any negative feedback for the new design, it's just different, and I don't see how it's improved anything. I'm just glad I didn't have to sit through endless internal meetings to discuss and implement something so trivial. But you guys party on with my now naked owl. The irony in this being that I spent lingots or gems on the one thing available - clothes for the owl - and now he/she is naked again. That's funny in a very Dilbert kind of way.
Things that would improve the user experience for me:
1) better audio 2) fixing sentences that have long been flagged as bad by many users 3) offline lessons that actually worked offline 4) more context for sentences, dialogues, images, virtual scenes where you have to complete a task, like go shopping, or order food. Like for Spanish we need a virtual taco truck. 5) tips and grammar improvement 6) more consistency between phone apps and the web experience
I hope the new design includes readable text? I am refering to the crazy light grey text on white background.
That's a mayor point in my opinion. The correct sentences currently are really hard to read. Reading the correct sentences can be a crucial help when it comes to improving your learning. So why make it so hard?
I don't like much of the re-design, but I can live with it, as long as is does not distract me from learning. But sometimes I think that there should be a grown up design for adult learners.
I am one of those that has been around this site since 2014. There are some more that have been around even longer. We have been through a lot of changes. There has been some positive changes and a number of negative changes along the way.
In my opinion, Duo is working too much on the visual aspects on the website and too little on real functionality that adds value. Unlike others in this thread, I do not care if the Duo owl has a scarf or not. That is soo minor to worry about.
What is a pity that there were a number of userscripts that actually add value over what the site offers and each of these UI revisions break them. Why doesn't Duo take a look at these scripts and incorporate some of that functionality natively.
BTW, we still do not have a viable method to communicate with other site users after activity stream feature was taken away. At the time, it was said that function would be brought back. It does undermine collective learning and collaborating with our friends. How hard is it to bring back a simple text messaging like system. It does not even have to persist too long. A week is more than enough.
The activity stream was great! I was so sad when it disappeared! It was motivating seeing what my real-life friends were up to and not just whether they had more or less XP than me.
Which ones were positive? The only positive ones for me are: more languages added, and new skills. But I don't see more.
Everyone tells Duo that Duo focus too much on the visual things, and the futilities while the boat is sinking. But Duo is deaf...
The new design is
2) less readable and less informative than the previous
3) no more funny and no more intuitive than the previous.
I am pretty interested how is it possible, that "the engagement metrics are very positive". Isn't it because it is also less demanding, as there are only 7÷12 phrases per exercise, instead of 16÷20 phrases?
Yes, I really think things go toward a lighter Duo (as the look), lighter content, lighter lessons, and all for kids. Grown-up are not welcome anymore.
Thank you for Duolingo, I love it! But the Chinese characters in the new design are very small (on iPad) and therefore difficult to read. Please change the font size to be at least as big as it was in the previous design! Thank you.
The menu for switching courses between different base languages on the app used to be bright and appealing with interesting images and a nested structure. Now it's all one long grey list. The old version gets my vote.
And landscape mode. Please bring back landscape mode. Typing in the app is hard enough without being forced to do it in portrait mode.
Oh no, another app going more childish with time without changes that would matter much more than an ugly new design... like adding more content. Is there an option to stay with the current design? Pretty please?
Like several time as many sentences for the second half or so of every tree. Duolingo would teach much better, if the grammar and vocab was presented on more material, it wouldn't be so superficial. The start of most trees is ok, I guess. Everyone gets their fifty repetitions of "I'm a boy", but later on, it is just a smash of new and more complex things without enough examples. Also, Duolingo could become a bit more ambitious, like Lingodeer for example, and provide people with a grammar and vocab overview for not A1, but B1. But that would require a lot more content.
Fix the fatally broken stuff in the courses before you piddle around designing new owls.
how do you say "this update is horrible" in all D.O.'s supported languages??
Questo aggiornamento è orribile ~ italiano
Esta actualización es horrible ~ español
העדכון הזה נוראי - hebrew (Ha-idkun haze nora-ee)
German: Dieses Update ist schlimm/schrecklich
LOL to this thread.
In French: Cette mise à jour est horriblement horrible, et une perte de ressources matérielles qui pourraient être utilisées pour lutter efficacement contre le spam.
The main difference I notice is the change in font. I actually prefer the new font, but it is far too small. One of the reasons I liked to use the app was because of the large eye friendly font. Also, the owl animation is cute, but takes forever to load. I am also dissapointed that there seems to be less overall art in the redesign. I was hoping the character illustrations above the sentences would return, but so far I have not seen any duo people in lessons, accept in clubs. I love delightful way that animations are used in the Duolingo Kids app, to introduce vocab and grammar visually, but in the adult app they don't seem to be serving the same teaching goals and just slow things down. Last but not least, I wish that duo could have some new outfits to wear... maybe a dress?
I wish that duo could have some new outfits to wear... maybe a dress?
Yes please! I also vote for a Duo dress outfit. :)
I'm personally not a fan of the redesign... it's far too childish and bright for my liking... also a bit unnecessary. Also for some reason, my lessons won't load and my app crashes more often than not, with this new update?
Your "redesign" has made the app essentially unusable. Each time I try to start a segment, I have to watch the graphic of the idiot owl strolling across the screen for over a minute with the same vapid little factoids (wow! Japan has the longest average streak? Fascinating the first seventy times I saw that.)
My duolingoplus subscription is due for renewal. Hadn't even considered not renewing it before this. Now I'm pretty sure I'm done. I don't have the time to sit around watching your stupid time-wasting graphics.
PLEASE DONT BRING IT TO THE WEB, ITS THE MAIN REASON I STOPPED USING THE APP, YOU ARE RUINING YOUR WEBSITE PLEASE DONT DO THIS.
They did it, it's not on the web.
It's a forced change for everyone. No choice.
So, learning languages makes you fat!
I don't dislike the new design, but it is too childish in my opinion.
What about a dark theme?
I mean, if you use Firefox, and don't mind certain icons being broken... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/dark-night-mode
I do wish Duo would add a dark theme though.
Sincerely, I dislike the design, reason for which I now prefer the website.
The brightness and the redesigning doesn't match my style.
Please upgrade the store so that we can spend our lingots. Now earning lingots is not exciting as I have plenty of them. Do something about it.
And I also suggest you that you can make an upgrade regarding chatting to the followers. It will add one more way to use the language resulting in learning faster.
So much this. I'm having plenty of lingots, and nothing for being spending them on.
Exactly, it makes you lose interest. I remember when I started earning a single lingot gave me immense pleasure and it is one of the many reasons for I got hooked on Duo.
How do you do? I have plenty of lingots, but I use them to reward good questions and good answers, and make them more visible.
But you're right, it's supposed to be gamified app, and they are in need of money, but don't want to propose fun things to buy. I don't understand, because it would bring more money to Duo.
I have only 8 lingots, you could give me some. Thanks. have a lot of work and can't do Doulingo every day.
I will give you lingots when you ask good questions, or make good answers. That's all.
Honestly, I do not care about the look nor about how many Lingots I got or can spend (got 2000 at the moment). I use it because I really want to learn Swedish to be able to move there eventually. But it has to be functional. I use the app on my smart phone. And since the changes, the display between correction and translation covers up the text I originally wrote with a mistake. This means that I cannot see anymore where I made a mistake and not learn from it anymore. That is very annoying.
I'm learning Spanish in Duolingo using my phone. Thank you for providing me this great opportunity, I appreciate this app very much, and I always recommend it to my friends. Here's my little feedback regarding the last update.
First of all, if I'm making a mistake when I'm studying, in the new design it's impossible to move pink field with the right answer to compare it with my answer. It may be still visible, but if the phrase was long enough, sometimes I feel like an idiot: "hey, why was that wrong, I've written exactly the same thing, haven't I?", but I can't check my answer again, the pink field covers it completely.
Second thing, Duo is not always correcting accent marks. I'm not sure if it was like this or not.
Third, round pictures of lessons have become too big. I have to scroll down and scroll down, and scroll a little bit more until I finally get to the lessons I need.
And the last thing, I have more than 300 lingots, and you tell me "don't spend them all in one place"? Can you please show me that place? =]
New design is ok in terms of colors, art style and typefonts, but usability somehow dropped. I'm sorry, but for me it looks like you tried to fix what was working perfectly fine.
I only lost the ability to move the banner / pink field two weeks ago! There are a few other people who have reported it in the troubleshooting forum. It's so annoying not being able to check the original question and my answer! I'm puzzled how some people say it happened to them 4+ months ago - I guess it was a staggered rollout.
That's what I wrote to Plus support (there screenshots included). Here an excerpt.
While fonts were improved in the new GUI, please note that the design of the buttons and other elements are just awful and and do not in any way meet the iOS requirements and standards of a clean and beautiful user interface.
There are several problem zones:
the pseudo 3D outline of the buttons, which is too thick, blurry and disturbs the otherwise flat appearance of the remaining interface (screenshot1)
bad contrasts between background color and font, which makes it difficult to read for the visually impaired (screenshot2)
an information bar at the bottom that covers all the lower part, can't be moved really (what is the little horizontal handle on top of it for? If one moves down, the check button disappears ...), and has bad contrast between text and background (screenshot2)
bad contrast of the grey buttons in the bottom button row (screenshot3)
a bad mixture between 3D and flat elements. The level popup should be in front, not flat with the level icons, the buttons in it should be flat. Now it is just the other way round. (screenshot3)
the new Courses navigation under the language button +Course - switching to another app language is now hidden under More ... . There is now only text in the menus and no visual help with an image representative of the country as before. The old navigation was much more intuitive.
Why do you focus on useless changes? A "massive undertaking" to achieve nothing. Wow. What a business proposition.
What are the system requirements for the Android app? It seems it no longer runs on my Galaxy S4. All I get is a green screen for a minute and then it crashes. I tried multiple times with phone reboot in between. :(
I had the same problem on S5. What worked for me was clearing cache, turning WiFi off and restarting the app. Once it gets past the green screen turn WiFi on.
I certainly hope the android redesign gets some serious work done on it very soon. Whilst the old one looked and worked fine, on my one year old phone I'm having such problems as (i) completed lessons not being registered, forcing me to do them again, (ii) word buttons covering each other when trying to construct a sentence, (iii) the text box being too small to show the whole sentence I am writing, and not expanding to show all the text, (iv) the popup for failed translations covering what I typed so I can't see where I went wrong.
All these have been introduced as part of the new design, suggesting more QA should have been done before release.
The design was fine before. I wish Duolingo would focus more on improving the actual language courses offered rather than the site's appearance.
Art definitely isn't a skill the owl has is it? These graphics are horrible. HORRIBLE!!!!!! You are so good at teaching languages but asthetics you fail entirely. Honestly I am incredibly fond of duo but someone in Pittsburgh has incredibly poor taste. Why you want people to be able to dismiss your wonderful system as a pathetic sad little cartoon game is beyond me. It is very hard to take anything so unsophisticated seriously. I am glad I found it years ago as I doubt I would even glance at it now.
I really liked the crown system right from the start. It has a simple elegance and scales well so you see I am not simply against change, but this, yuk just yuk. No elegance whatsoever.
If only all that deveper time had been spent reimplementing a spaced repetition system...
Oh boy, where to start...
I don't really like the new graphics either, too childish, but I feel like it's not too much larger of a step considering the way the owl looks already.
Crown system is great too, although it's implementation removed strength indicators for lessons. (Although they can be accessed at duome)
Duolingo is about simplicity, not elegance, and it's part of how they want to stand out. Simple is good, because it encourages many people who would otherwise not bother with language learning. Simple also means it's easier to tell when progress is being made. (aside from missing strength stats)
Duolingo DOES have a spaced repetition system (well, they're working on it: https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002253131-Crown-level-decay-and-spaced-repetition
People who would otherwise not bother with language won't stay anyway. I say that as a private tutor. All of these marketing strategies always only work for a short period of time. Too short-sighted the whole system.
And you have the power to make him hired? And to change the mind of the boss. Wow.
Yes but, Christmas Skills? It has been like 2-3 years (depending how you count) with no Christmas Skills. That's 2 years to fix the problem. I don't understand why you tried to fix a problem no one wanted fixed while ignoring a problem everyone wants fixed. Puzzling.
Christmas skills aren't coming after all? : ( As a new Duo user, I've been looking forward to those and saving Lingots for them since hearing about them, and I don't even celebrate it! Christmas skills, and more bonus skills besides, please! There's no point in Lingots without things to use them on.
I'm not a fan at first glance. The angular buttons feel less polished to me, and the art looks sloppier and as if it's lost some of its character. Maybe I just need time to get used to it. I will miss the absurdly happy chef, but perhaps I will learn to love the suspicious one as well. The change in the chicken's design, however, reminds me of how "meat" chickens have been bred to grow too big to support their own weight and can suffer leg fractures and other serious health problems as a result. Somewhat depressing to look at.
Chicken graphic aside, I do appreciate the work that is regularly put in to keep Duolingo feeling fresh and new after so many years. I've been enjoying Duolingo for a long time now and I don't expect this redesign to change that.
dude, it looks too childish. Ive also liked when companies have more sleek, simplistic designs... but this is way too simple. For some of the icons, you may ACTUALLY HAVE TROUBLE figuring out as to what it is...
Apart from being totally dissatisfied with the need for redesign - as if Western culture isn't already too focused on design instead on content - I'm missing some important features that this change deleted for me in the app, namely: (i) when I complete a sentence, there is no number indicating the number of posts in discussion about that sentence; (ii) when I want to test multiple lessons to jump a level ahead, there are no more three hearts indicating the number of mistakes you can make. How can you take away such informative clues???
The design changes look ok to me. I like the new skill design.
But am I the only one who thinks that the new cook looks somewhat menacing? Good thing DL left out the bloody meat cleaver!
How about instead of changing how DL looks, you try adding more lessons and topics to existing languages, or add new languages? For all of this unnecessary new design, you could have done things like stop ignoring the Finnish and Basque requests you've been ignoring since 2011.
On Android. When I saw the redesign I thought that something was wrong with my display resolution. It looks like a 1990 website on a 8 bit screen. The font, the shadow effect and the green area background have gone from smooth and round (2018) to bulky and pixelated with the green background after you answer a question taking over the screen area (looks like an old Nintendo game on an UHD tv). It would be nice if people could vote a new design. Also the owl went from a mature, teacher like classy character to a toddler entertainment character. This is clearly a downgrade of your app. Far different from a redesign. Please bring us back to 2018 design.
I hope all of you people at duolingo see this. This "upgrade" is a complete GARBAGE. This update makes it seem like you think this website/app is for only children. It isn't. This is for children and adults. And you know this is true, by pairing with speedrun.com . And what are most speedrunners? Adults. This is not OK. Everytime I get a question correct, I don't want to look at a G.I.F.. Make it a option. Like if you agree. THIS. IS. GARBAGE!
Being a grump I'd like an 'animation off' switch please. Razzle dazzle isn't what keeps me coming back.
Let new users delight in Duo's flapping fun just remember to leave an opt out check box in settings and I'll turn my clock green in celebration.
Looks like you have all been working hard. There are a few thing that could be better: 1) On the app the Spanish flag on the left is cut off. 2) The last digit of the number of lingots is cut off. 3) Also the font is very small, maybe there could be a choice. I like the animations if they don't affect my battery life.
Thanks for being constructive- yes it can be improved but you've at least recognised that there is a lot of work involved and most people are just unhappy it's changed. I am amused at how many people are complaining about the loss of the scarves or the look of the owl but are often the same people who say it is now "too childish". A more balanced critique!
@SallyAnne709034, thank you for your nice comment. I love the fact that Duo is always improving, and even asking for our input.
Your new look on an android device made me uninstall it. While typing in a Spanish phrase the second line causes the first line to disappear and can't be edited for typing errors. Your understanding of English leaves much to be desired. I have been using Duolingo for quite some time and it is useless in everyday speech. I can't go into a store and ask for a screwdriver or a wrench but, I can say "el piguino bebe leche. " I use that all the time in conversation. When I mess up a verb you don't tell me why. I learn more spanish at the markets and it is useful. Haven't heard a penguin mentioned in 10 years in Mexico. Adios DuoLingo.
The android app is incredibly slow after the update. Even before it wasn't very fast but now it is abysmal.
It takes me about half the time to do my daily 5 lessons on PC / web browser than in the app. And 5 lessons on the app drains roughly 25% of the battery charge, sometimes even more.
What about using some other engine or rewriting it (also) with respect to performance ? On older/slower devices ?
BRING BACK IMMERSION. that was the best thing on earth, lost all motivation after it was removed.
It was a way to practice translating documents with others. But, people were violating the guidelines, uploading material with copyright and bullying, among other problems. If Duolingo had not discontinued it, the company could have been sued and Duolingo could have ceased to exist. So, I don't forsee it coming back. People who violate the guidelines ruin a lot of fun for others unfortunately.
As far as I remember, the the official reason was different:
"We simply don’t have the resources required to develop or maintain Immersion in a satisfactory way." Here is the link.
"Unfortunately, we have no plans to bring back Immersion. We understand that some people loved this feature (I was one of them), but it was used by only 0.05% of our users. A few years ago, we tried very hard to increase the number of people using it (for example, we would recommend it at the end of every lesson, etc.), but we were never able to get even 1% of our active user base to interact with it. Our job is to put our eggs in the places where we can make the most impact, and I'm afraid Immersion was not such a place." Here is the link.
Did I miss something?
That was the company's official statement, yes, which I encompass within "among other things".
"We simply don’t have the resources required to develop or maintain Immersion in a satisfactory way."
"Resources required" "develop and maintain" "satisfactory way". Lots of room for interpretation there.
As a moderator, I saw people using Immersion to break the law and staff was removing those people as quickly as possible. It was so rampant that myself and a group of other moderators began spending more time monitoring Immersion than the forums. Free volunteer labor and paid staff labor was not enough to keep up with it. That was copyright law violations.
The next big hit came with the EU law. I don't remember which one. But, staff responded to it by posting publicly that EU citizens were prohibited from using Immersion. How effective do you think that message was when people were already ignoring guidelines? Not long after, Duolingo shut Immersiob down.
Staff time = $$. Liability costs $$. $$ = resources.
"Unfortunately, we have no plans to bring back Immersion.
Staff doesn't bring back failed features. Sometimes, it offers an alternative version. With such dismal numbers, I would imagine that, considering the budget crunch, the low user numbers would have factored into not bringing back (an alternative version of) Immersion.
People can interpret staff's official reason however they want. And, there are plenty of different interpretations possible.
My interpretation is that the abuse and illegal activities I witnessed people engaging created an unsustainable drain on paid staff hours and legal liability that could have swiftly sunk the company beyond saving, and, low user engagement cancelled out the possibility of planning, developing, and testing an alternative that would remove the threat of legal liability and the over-demand on paid staff time. High risk to set aside a chunk of a small budget to develop, design, troubleshoot, test, etc. on a project that already had low engagement to begin with.
Maybe I got something wrong. I'm pretty sure I didn't though.
They should make a separate app for immersion, that way 100% of the users of that app use it \o/
My friends and I use doulingo and the only one I know who enjoys the new update is my younger brother, he's 9. I feel like there are more adult/teen users and that duolingo should seek to satisfy them and not the younger users. I learned Spanish in school, and duo wasn't added to the curriculum until the fifth grade! That doesn't mean I don't think there are younger users, I just think that adults/teens would be more likely to use duolingo.
Yeah, but Duolingo probably wants to use the kids to pressure the parents (what parent would resist to buy their small child an educational and so cute game) and the schools (those will buy lots of stuff with limited attention to the quality). And this way, Duolingo can disconnect the paying person and the person actually seeing the good or bad quality of the product. That plan brings a lot of promise to the future :-D
The point is, that now I don't only resist, but I actively forbid my children to use the app. All of these useless ads and the blinky give-us-all-your-money-stuff is way too distracting and luring to let my children "learn" with duolingo.
I have 2 major issues with the latest update:
The font size is too small. Still another redesign not offering the option to change the font size. I seriously doubt it was ever tested on a bigger tablet. 90% of the screen on my 12" iPad is not being used, yet I can not see the characters because too small.
The progress indication in a lesson is .. interesting. 4/6 lessons means you finished 3 of 6 and are at 50%. 6/6 means you still have 1 unfinished lesson. Anchoring the progress bar at the 5 o'clock position (instead at 12:00) doesn't make it any clearer.
This reminds me of what Memrise did two years ago with their ugly and stupid alien. No one liked it, and they've since reverted the change. This new owl is visually revolting, and as @pentaan already wrote elsewhere in these comments, why did everything and everyone suddenly become fat and unfriendly?
Oh, they changed it back? Nice. Then I'll head back there. Thank you for the information. :)
Since the update, the Android app has frozen so much and been so impossible to use that I've given up on it. If only Duolingo spent as much time on functionality as they do on form.
This happened so much to me, too. In fact, I could only run it on 4G. It failed to work on my home wi-fi. I had to turn off DHCP6 prefix delegation (part of ipv6) in my home router.... this got the walking owl (who walked forever) to finally load the lesson (or test) very quickly. So, clearly, something in the internal networking of Duo changed, too. Not just the owl pictures.
Thanks for all the hard work, but you've blown it on this redesign. The type is much, much smaller and more difficult to read. I don't need all the extra white space you've created; I need to be able to see and comprehend the complex characters to help me master each lesson. Please consider enlarging your text for visually challenging languages such as Japanese; the incredibly detailed kanji, hiragana and katakana are almost impossible to copy from your lessons now because they are too small to decipher. Thanks!
So that is why there is a "sort from" option in the comments. A big thank you to all of the hard-workers involved to give us a better experience!
Someone left Duo in a river or something. Over time, it's getting sanded down.
Ouch, that really is ugly. Please change it.
Its not that I thought of the previous design as being absolutely amazing but this just looks like something from a childrens game or a paperbook about basic subject vocab. I understand the whole 'gamification of language' thing and there's a reason for my streak - turned out the concept works - but the new design is not really what I consider to be motivating. A few playful little animations and stuff is nice but thats just too colourful and too childish.
Btw, I am not the 'any change is bad' kind of person and I like bold design and visuals. But this is just too much for an educational app.
I hate it. If it goes to the website, I will have to quit using your services. If you're going to change the look, at least make it not hurt my eyes to look at.
The only thing I've seen anyone ask for on the app version was simply the option to use the word bank OR type out the sentences. Making the actual learning process more optimal would have been more useful than making prettier graphics (no offense to those who made them, they're nice, but the practical stuff should have come first).
The font keeps getting smaller and smaller, with no option to increase text size. It doesn't respect system settings, either. Use whatever colors, pictures, and gamification methods you like, but the app is becoming unusable for me. I'm using the on-device magnifiers but it's so irritating to need to move the zoom window around to various options, or back up to a sentence, across a window, etc. For East Asian languages especially (Japanese or Chinese, specifically) where details matter more than in Latin character sets, this is really becoming a hindrance.
Please consider users with vision limitations and rework this new design. I'm this close to just quitting the app entirely.
I made a comment a few days ago and I just wanted to follow up: I am displeased with the change because it is change for engagement's sake. Which is to say, the change is not to increase the website's functionality but to rather draw more users and then use those users for profit. The goal is definitely not "make good software that assists in language learning", it's "make an addictive app that will generate money for business interests."
Right? And I could see someone saying, "That's great, buddy, welcome to the Real World, that's how business works!"
And I guess you're right. It's just a pity since it was a good service.
Coming from the Free Software community it is just one of those stupid things to me. Like, the meat of the service -- the courses -- is provided by volunteers. The stable software of years passed requires no updates and is in disuse -- there's no cost to it, at all. So that, what is valuable was produced by community members and is now being used for profit by some ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ shareholding asshats.
So OF COURSE they have to be like, "We've been hard at work providing things for you! See? It's not a scam, we're not taking advantage of the community, we had to pay graphic designers!!!"
Just really bummed cause it's been one of my favorite services.
I think the reality is that the team has costs, and until now it is running with dificits. so we are at the mercy of the investors. since the philosophy is to provide a free service, it has to come from ads. the more users, the more ads will be shown. so yes we can sit here and say why don’t you concentrate on the functionality, but the functionality is good enough for us to be here, however we do not generate enough profit to even cover the costs. that’s the hard reality.
I don't think they're running at a deficit, unless something has changed in the past couple of years. See: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/15695026/State-of-Monetization-at-Duolingo
(Well, I guess, "deficit" and "low on money" aren't necessarily the same.)
I think if they are telling the full truth in the post I linked, they want stable ways to handle growth, while remaining profitable.
But if we suppose they are at the mercy of their investors, then the mission is already lost. I want to believe they are not and are looking at ways to monetize unintrusively, but I'm a little cautious these days with how monetization is in a lot of markets. For example, them saying in the post I linked, "Most people don't realize how expensive it is to operate a platform that is actively used by tens of millions of users. We spend about US$42,000 per day on servers, employee salaries, etc. And this cost keeps going up with our number of users, which doubles every few months."
Which lumps in employee salaries with server costs, obfuscating how much it actually costs in pure maintenance money to keep the app running, setting aside continued development.
To my understanding, server costs are not nearly as expensive as some people make them out to be, so I'm suspicious of them lumping the costs together in such a way.
I'm also suspicious of it because it assumes that servers are inherently necessary for all aspects of the app and as far as I can tell, that's not the case. Most of it seems like it could be downloaded to a computer or phone and be done without any internet connection at all.
Maybe I'm just misunderstanding how the app works on a technical level, but the only reason I can think why they'd be against such a thing is: 1) not wanting to take up the space (mostly on a phone, not a PC) and 2) being afraid of competition stealing the files and using them to make copycat programs.
If there is some other reason, I don't know what it is. It's not like regular automatic updates couldn't be done to handle tweaks to languages; plenty of programs do that kind of thing.
Oh and if it's purely because it's a web-based app... I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to rewrite it. I know those are arrogant words in software development, but the app can't be that complicated. The bulk of it is probably an interface with some input/output and some algorithms behind the scenes for trying to give the best review setup for learning.
it assumes that servers are inherently necessary for all aspects of the app and as far as I can tell, that's not the case. Most of it seems like it could be downloaded to a computer or phone and be done without any internet connection at all.
Really? Load all the software and the all the data onto people's phones? For how many languages? I'm not sure if that would even be possible - but that first download would be huge. And it would require the app to run natively 100%
And that would lose the streaks and community stuff.
Finally, I suspect "servers" doesn't just mean "machines to push stuff over the internet". There is a lot of background processing and storage happening as well.
In theory, you don't need to download every language for ever user. You could just download the courses they start working on. You could probably even hybridize it, where to avoid delays in getting started, it's on a server at first and then it downloads the course they are working on, so it can be used without a connection (it would seem Duolingo already has something like this if they have an offline version with Duolingo Plus?). Obviously the storage thing is much more viable for a PC than a phone, but it's not like it's impossible to get creative with it to reduce reliance on servers. Hardware people didn't spend decades refining hardware and increasing the amount of storage available for computers, so that we could proclaim that everything must be on a privately owned server online.
In short: I don't contest the point that storage could be an issue for phones, but it's not like the web-app part has to be identical. I would guess it's different already, since the software for phone operating systems won't necessarily run the same programming languages as whatever the web app uses.
Well, it could certainly be made so that duolingo could be packaged as a single-user piece of software (running your own local server) and that that package could be distributed via Peer-to-Peer networking, which would mean that actually ads are not required for its existence.
But I understand that's pure fantasy on my part, and I knew from the day I signed up that since it was a SaaS app this would happen eventually.
Web apps have that unfortunate truth to them that as the user you have no control over which version of the software you want to run. I can never again run the version of Duolingo that I most liked, but I am certainly grateful for the service as I have used it. :)
if you are an ios user, you could download your favorite version with itunes (instead of installing it directly on the phone) and then install it on your iphone. now you have a copy that you can install even when the most recent version is different. (you cannot download older versions though. and some apps require you to use the latest version)
Previous version was awesome..in this version you guys uses the graphics of olden times like mario and one more change is that in previous version we get bonus XP for answering all 15 ques without mistakes but in this version no matter what you do, you'll only get 10 XP for each chapter you finish. My humble request is to please roll back to previous one
I'm gonna miss my golden owl scarves. They made each owl special and unique. Now they're all just kinda the same. I hope they add some sort of unique flag element back to them.
At first glance, childish and unnecessary. Fixing the errors and glitches in the current format would have kept everyone happy. Who on earth thought this would be an improvement?!
FACT, more adults use Duolingo than children! The new design is a little too playful and bulky which acts more like a distraction rather than an improvement.
I still love the app but i really hope that you guys are already working on the replacement for this playful downgrade of an interface.
I really don't understand. this is Duolingo's last concern, the content itself is problematic enough with phrases like "the bear wears pants", "the duck drinks beer", and lack of more (or even slightly) complex sentences, their lack of context and irrelevance to reality, insufficient to non existent Grammer, repeating sentences to the point you just know the answer by heart (and not actually learning a language), recordings with no human like intonation and pronunciation, no interaction..and it goes on. Take all the design designated money and pay professional teachers to a more and better content in existing. Please please please, content is so much more important than design!
Regarding the app itself, it needs some serious construction done in all aspects as of now, it is highly inferior to the web version. No Grammer notes. No stories. Comprising a sentence out of a bank of words? How does that teach you anything? The design is too bright and the font is way too big, it's child-like. Strengthening all skills is useless, make it individual to every skill like it used to be. The web version is so much better than the app, Please don't make the web version like the app
@AviaHazut-- YES I totally agree!! Thank you for posting that. I hope Duolingo reads yours and reconsider some of these new things..
Dear AviaHazut, my friend, please, don't be upset with me if I state what follows. Duolingo is a FREE platform and this implies that - as they say in Italy - you should accept everything the monastery gives you [as food]. I know that in Duolingo something here and there is not perfect (or as I'd like it to be), but... it's as it is... Personally, I'm trying to 'exploit' every single bit from Duo's lessons (together with my dictionaries, grammars, exercise books, copy books, notebooks, pencils, erasers, etc.). BTW, I do NOT own a smartphone (and don't like those gizmos - old fashioned guy, you know), hence I can't see the difference between the s.c. 'app' and the web version. All the best to you and to your loved ones. Thank you for reading!
Well I do highly appreciate the fact that it's free. It provides foundations for learning a language, for free, and that's awesome. It is one of the best in the free option territory. but keep in mind, this company IS making money based on volunteers actually creating the content that makes people use it in the first place.
I don't see any pupose taking out good features and implementing bad ones, that actually hinder one's learning process, even if it's free.. Had it not been free, I believe not even 10% of the people here would use it. Rosetta stone and others with better audio and other platforms that provide you the option to actually communicate in the language simply do it better.
These problems have been around since Duolingo started. This whole redesign thing, is money not well spent, if your goal is to actually improve language learning.
I do thank greatly duolingo for creating the platform and all the contributers around the world that spent hundreds of hours creating the courses! Despite my criticism, I don't take it for granted at all :)
I agree with AviaHazut.
First of all, it is not entirely free. We all pay by either seing the ads or subscribing.
Duolingo still offers a lot of advantages, but sometimes forgets that there are more and more products and services on the market today than back when it started. If they want to keep those millions of users and then a part of them paying, the "you didn't directly give me any money so shut up and be grateful" attitude won't do.
I like some aspects of the change. But there is still a lot to work on (which duolingo doesn't seem to realise) and most complaints on this page are very reasonable.
Also not a fan of the newest app update on android. Still no tips & notes for each chapter. The overall visual look is more distracting. My total xp is hidden, and losing the bonus xp per chapter for making fewer mistakes is a loss.
Hate, hate, hate the update. Rollout on the Android just hit my phone and wow, I feel like DL is trying to attract the 5 year olds.
"the app"? Does that mean that you are merging the iOS and Android apps to provide the same feature-set in the future?
I really dislike the new app design. It looks really zoomed in and the shading looks childish and sort of ugly. Why are the buttons and text so large????
I also am not a fan of mastering an exercise only to practice with the word Bank. Doesn't make sense.
So are you saying this redesign promotes usage of duolingo? I see it as a waste of time of this teams effort, but thanks anyway.
I dislike the new redesign with the app. I don't like how the word font size got smaller and the illustrations' style. I like the old design!! Please BRING BACK the old design!
I think the health system should not be implemented.... It makes Duolingo more of a game than a learning website... Also the "gems" are a poor substitute for lingots..... Generally, Just leave the site as it is..... Go ahead and change the logo and fonts, but don't make duolingo a game.
A waste of time, effort and resources, how is such a face lift going to make any difference? I vote to have a no graphics at all option.
WHAT! The owls don't have scarves? Whats the use of owls then? Why not just kill the owl if no one knows what owl you have!
There doesn't seem to be any indication of the number of comments on an exercise now. It was nice to see this number, as if lots of people commented it indicated that it might be a good discussion to view.
for the love of god, add a "duolingo classic" mode, a mode that is without crowns, that instead includes strength metrics on individual skills, that gives you fanfare when you level up, and is not completely fk'd in the future (dream mode: and can be downloaded and ran offline)
there is no cost to it and an immense benefit to society
gd i hope to finish italian before you completely f the site
ps: the changes in the past year are SO OBVIOUSLY not for the benefit of language learning! 'engagement metrics', gtfo
On the iPad, why has the text and the overall interface made smaller? Was there feed back on the previous version that “hey, that nice big text is too hard to read?”
Or is there some settings where I can choose which size text I want?
Hello Everyone, Could I through this media ask that you return/put back the gender under nouns in the drop down ???? Please, pretty please? It was soooooo useful to quickly see what the gender was and then carry on with the correct response, whether it was in the nominative, accusative, dative or gen. There are thousands of nouns in the german language and having to constantly stop and look up the genders in Google Translate or Leo or my dictionary takes up so much time. Please, please Duo, could you reinstate the der, die das, for me and any others ?????? Regards Flora Peach.
When I first started Duolingo in 2016 I was able to redo any lesson that I desired. I found that tool to be very useful as I knew the words and the areas that I found difficulty. I would like to ask you to please give us back that feature.
Duolingo may repeat certain words regularly that you believe may be troublesome. Sometimes you are right but most of the times you are not. It is the individual person that knows best where they are weak and can target those lessons with problematic words or grammer.
So please give us back the ability to redo a lesson.
There's a page I can visit on the web that shows me every word i've been taught and how well i know it and when i last tested on it... so how come my worst word was last tested 6 days ago?? i am using the training button!!
I wish I could practice more on new vocabulary before moving on to more new vocabulary, i.e. the first few lessons of each category force you forward before letting you practice any of them
Having used the app a bit now I have to say, as someoneone who is dyslexic, the new design is harder to use.
The biggest thing is that it is far less grating and easier to see things clearly on a non-white background (at least for a lot of dyslexics.) So I would ask that you seriously consider changing it back to grey, or to another shade of off-white.
For me the images also add to the overall ‘bitty/grainy visual texture. They are quite cute (especially the new owl) but unfortunately create a lot of visual noise. I think it is because they seem like a collection of smaller units. Anyway the visual noise does make things harder to see.
Both these points are especially noticeable (though not so important) on the tree screen. For example having the little white gaps separating the progress rings from the module badges, combined with the ‘bitty’ badge images themselves, make it very hard to see things as a whole and make out what is happening.
More importantly, on the practice screens the stark white makes it harder to decipher the words. I am very glad to see you have kept the shaded edge to the tiles. However I found it easier to use when the gaps between the elements were a little wider apart, and when there was more contrast between the shapes. ( i.e when the ‘continue’ button was more rounded, the word tiles more rectangular, and the progress bar more of a line.)
Like I say, I would not not dislike the redesign in another context, but the changes (especially the wite background) make Duo more harder and more grating for me to use, and so unfortunately I will probably spend less time practicing.
Please stop the gimmicks - just reintroduce a measured way of learning languages where an explanation of grammar is readily available and you don't expect people to guess things. It used to be great when I joined some years ago now not so much
The new redesign occasionally has the answers overlap each other or overlap the initial phrase so that the question cannot be answered because the phrase is not readable.
I don't have a problem with new design, except for two things (using the phone): 1)There is not enough space to type more than one line without scrolling and thus blocking some of the lines. Please reduce margins so that we could see at least two lines without any scrolling. 2)It used to be that after a successful or unsuccessful response the green(red) banner was free to move, so I could easily compare my response with the correct one. Now the banner is locked, and whenever i make a mistake, i have no chance comparing it with the one on the banner because it is blocking my response. Since i cannot remember everything i wrote down to a symbol, i am forced just to memorise the correct response for the given moment instead of replacing a bad memory with a good one by comparison and contrast.
That immovable banner bit is terrible and several people are complaining about it on the troubleshooting forums. It only appeared for me 2 weeks ago though. I find the mobile web version really hard to use now with that bug!!
Your visuals are better, but you effected them at the cost of usability. I haven't bothered to write for some time as I wanted to see if I could get use to them. (Also I read an interview with your founder where he said user input should be ignored! because we don't know what we are talking about!! so I doubt anyone at duolingo even reads these notes!!!) Seriously, the language forums which are monitored by volunteers problems are fixed or answered sometimes within hours, I have never had a response to any platform based report -- not once. It is clear that you have been taught to think like your founder. Why am I wasting my time writing you?? ... I guess to share my workarounds with other poor users.
1) The old application allowed me to see what I typed after you graded it. That meant when I was wrong I could see my mistake. This one covers it with the correct answer, The old application would sometime do that on longer answers, but it allowed me to move the correct answer around on the screen to see under it. This is bad educationally. IF I don't know what mistake I made it is harder for me to correct it..
2) The new application kills running exercises if I leave them a while to do other things on my phone. When I come back to it I see where I left off, but as soon as I activate the duolingo screen it clears my work and restarts duolingo. This doesn't happen if I am away only a few minutes. It also never happens on the computer app.
3) Sometimes when I am working on an exercise at home I leave and while I'm out I do exercises on the phone. I am careful to never do the same exercise. Occasionally a lesson I complete on the phone gets lost in your record keeping and I need to do it over.
4) The app occasionally restarts in the middle of an exercise. I haven't seen this enough to know if there is a pattern in something I do.
Quite a few people have posted to the troubleshooting forum about not being able to move the "grading banner". This really feels like a devastating bug. When I get something wrong, sometimes I wonder if I misread the question, but can no longer see it!! (or my answer)
Oddly enough, that change only appeared for me two weeks ago. Perhaps it was a staggered roll out.
It's not the visual changes (although as a 52 year old I don't really need an animated bird waving at me)... it's the dumbing down that I object to. There's now no option to select keyboard answers instead of word box answers. Word box presents almost zero challenge, and reduces opportunity to learn spelling and use of accents. I am massively disheartened by having to essentially click through some lessons.
Tried posting a negative but it didn't go.. I guess DL doesn't like bad press. The new release for android is the pits. Can't edit spanish typing because the top line disappears. Great design kids.
They do listen???????????????? When? Where? Never seen them going back after negative feedbacks.
It's not because you like it, that everyone should. It's not just about the look, you know, it's about the path that Duo follow. If you didn't know Duo in a past where the community was very helpful, the grammar questions were answered in the lessons forums, and where all this spam weren't, you didn't know why people are complaining.
Sincerely, I love Duo, but saying they are listening is.... excessive.
Did they hear about immersion being removed? Did they hear about activity page being removed? Did they hear about the message system being removed? Do they hear about the spam problem? Do they hear about the more useful users quitting the app? Do they hear about the problems in the lessons? Do they hear about the improvement of the content? And the grammar tips? Do they hear about the readibility and the accessibility?
I am still unsure of the new update. It looks quite interesting, although a little childish. I, myself, believe that Duo needs to work out a theme or style that suits all ages. Soft and vibrant for younger users, and cool and basic for older ages. I hope that the next redesign will follow what I have said. I like Duolingo, but, with all of this bright, fluorescent, vibrant theme, I am, as mentioned before, unsure.
It's not a good design for my devices: 1) In some cases the first row(s) of sentences I am asked to write get hidden as I write, making it impossible to see how I started the sentence. This was never a problem before. 2) When I get the verdict incorrect, the red field sometimes covers too much of the screen, making it impossible to see and compare what mistakes I made with the correct answer. Your previous app was better. (I preferred the looks of the older one, as well, but that is not important.)
Change is fine when it improves the product. I have no problem with the recent update other than the font is about have the size it was making it more difficult to read. Bring back the previous font, please, or give users a choice for a bigger one. Thanks. Love the program otherwise
OMG! I just got the rest of the new version. I retract anything I said positive about it previously, except that SOME of the font is easier to see. But Duo clearly did not consult with Vision experts. Many low-vision adults, and CHILDREN whose visual perception is at the pre-eight-year-old level (even if much older chronologically - this is true for many smart children of all ages) are going to have sooooo much trouble with the newest app version on iOS. The worst is the red on red, green on green. Contrast is imperative when teaching children (I work in the field) as well as many over 45 yr old adults. Accent marks are almost impossible to read.
Suggestion! 1. Increase the font size on the IOS versions. 2. Drop the ridiculous "High Valarian" and other pretend languages. I dont meet many Valarians on the beach or in business negotiations!! Stop fussing with the silly cartoons and concentrate your resouces on the thousands of errors in translation and sentence formation which have been pointed out to you by so many native speakers of many of the languages and which remain uncorrected after several years. 3. Kill off the "health" system in IOS. I get so annoyed with it especially when I lose lives because Duo refuses to accept perfectly correct answers in my native language!
The new design is awful. The font is way to small and difficult to read. I have a huge page of blank space and a tiny font for a few words. I've been so excited to use this app but this could be the end of my streak.
I of course and as always don't like the new design :-), But - hey, we will get used to it.
There is one thing, where functionality is changed: in the android-app, I cannot see anymore, how many comments there are on the discussion-page, before I open it. As it is quite time consuming to open the discussion page, I only opened it, when the number was high enough to make it seem worthwhile. Or a high number indicated, that there was a problem with this sentence, that I might have failed to notice (learning one foreign language from another foreign language).
Please bring those counterse back in the new layout! It is important information!!!
In my personal opinion, the redesign is way too childish, and the icons on the android are huge. The previous one was much more stylish and pleasing. Especially the little graphics that represented each country. But one thing that concerns me is: before the update, completing a lesson gave you 15xp. completing a practice gave you 10xp. After the update, completing a lesson yields only 10xp. Why?
hey i noticed the new "words" list in the italian course, which is really useful! any idea when it's going to the other languages, like turkish?
I like the owl and the chef but everything else is better as they are. You could maybe find a better color palette if you want to make design changes because the layout is all bright and very different colors, a nice color palette would make it look really neat. I especially don't like the layout for answers, the font and the bubbles etc, it looks like a beginner's app and kinda floppy.
Also I'd much rather additions to the shop than a redesign! I have so many lingots saved up and I want to spend them. Maybe more Duo attires? Or some niche language lessons about specific hobbies/fields? Something like the stories in the "labs" section but for more languages? That being said I'd love a color palette, preferably darker/faded colors because I don't like these bright and light colors, it hurts my eyes after a while.
The update glitched my profile and I had to make a new one and I lost my progress and lingots.
the redesign if fine now and it was fine before. I like Duo-lingo and I use it to learn and I am progressing very well with the program. the one thing is that health bar thing that you added before and refuse to take down. I do a lot of my lessons on my IPhone because I am away from my computer most of everyday and I can study when I get to stopping places. For a person with fairly large fingers on a small keyboard I will know what to type in but many times my fingers hit the wrong key and I lose a health bar and it isn't long during the day that I lose all my health and I can't study any more until I get home because it doesn't refresh for many hours. this is only thing that frustrates me about this program. I have requested like may others for you to do away with the health bars. It is not helpful for learning. The program over all is great and I enjoy it as well as I have learned a lot. YOU NEED TO DISCONTINUE THE HEALTH BAR! Please.
I don't mind the new design but I'm quite disappointed that the user's achievements have been reduced to a shield that shows one or two or three stars. Prior to the redesign one could see for eaxmple, how many weeks they won, how many lessons they did without error and so on. There are no numbers now apart from which level one is up to.
Speaking for me, I like statistics and numbers. They encourage me to try to do lessons without error and to do extra lessons to keep up with someone in a club which I might have joined.
It now feels like my achievements have been reduced to just a shield and after almost 750 consecutive days of learning, I'm feeling a little demotivated I have to say. I do think the app is brilliant though except for the statistics now being reduced to a three star shield of achievement. Thank you for all the good work you do anyway but I think in this case, you've done a little too much work in the achievements area.
Well said...how does one track goals if not with numbers as visiting the countries is not an option at this moment!
This redesign is terrible. I will not be using duolingo on any platform that includes it.
What I liked and what I did not like in the new version:
I loved the owl becoming animated.
I liked the animated clickable buttons.
I loved the more "childish" environment, even though I'm not a child anymore, because Duolingo is a game mostly that helps you learn foreign languages. That's his power afterall..
I like that Tips and Notes are accessible now.
These are the pros.
There are some minus though:
Some typefaces are too small.
The menu buttons are too close each other.
I don't know how many XPs I have got in each language. I have to go to the web version to know.
I have some followers, but I cannot communicate with them. Just they exist. :)
Look! Today in the games we are at a much more advanced level than in the 80s and 90s. And this environment reminds me this: The 80s and 90s, with buttons that were in this shape and size. So: If we want a game that belongs to the 2020s, we are asking one step further. Buttons are no longer in this shape. Better to find another inteface, completelely redesigned, videogame makers have very good ideas, hire one!
This pointing system is not that good. I have worked several languages and I have reached to a level that does not motivates me enough anymore. It must be more and more tempting to continue! I have thousands of XPs and some other in lingots but I cannot spend them except for changing Duolingo dress! Okay, I can give somebody a few whose post I like :)
I keep some clubs in the languages I learn. Most learners have a rate of around 100 to 500 XP per week. Some are like comets, come and go, don't insist on! A percentage of about 20% does not make even 1 XP in a week! I have to keep high competition by deleting inactive players. I have, of course, given in my profile the club codes so that learners know where to return if they want. Clubs, Stories and Labs are precious tools and you have to promote them. So: Why cannot I go to them from all versions?
I can live with cosmetic changes to the design if it does not make easy of use more difficult, but if the health system is added I will probably stop using Duolingo.
I don't hate the redesign, but I feel that the teams time could be better spent on other things...
the 2014 owl design is the happiest one. why does the new design have the eye bags? too sleepy?
It's been spending all night learning new languages instead of sleeping. I'm sure more than a few of us can relate ;)
I love the redesign, however I really miss the list of numbers for how many courses I need to do to complete that level Crown. I found having the numbers listed for how many courses there were to go - really motivated me and I miss having that in the new redesign. Please put back the numbers - of how many courses have to still be completed for each Crown Level, instead of telling me where I am at based on what percent I am at. The percent is not helpful at all and not motivating. The numbers are. Please put the numbers back.
This reminds me of “Lunarstorm” Sweden’s most popular social media site, appealed to both children and adults alike, with the audience being mostly teeanagers and younger adults. It was something like facebook with a teddy bear logo, I even think it made a whole generation become huggy. It seemed like there was literally noone without an account and it encouraged interaction with guest books, diaries, pms.
Then they started to change it. It became more and more childish to the point the feeling was it was turning towards the very young. So much that it started putting off the older audience.
Then suddenly, they closed. Would you believe facebook just call it one day? but they did it. And it was missed much more than anyone would miss facebook today. I lost many years of diaries, emotional e-mails, guestbook entries, not to mention daily contact with whom I interacted through these...
well, I hope this logo change turn towards children does not go so far. But while parts of the functionality seem a bit broken and bugstricken, continous huge design tweak efforts like this, make little sense.
I suggest dropping it. Don’t update the web. Concentrate on system stability and user friendlyness instead. don’t try to “switch” audience. that really doesn’t bode so well..
We had a similar experience in Brazil, with Google just mutilating Orkut to make it more connected with Google+, which they wanted to sell forcibly to us to make it competitive against Facebook, which Orkut could be not because it was dominated by Brazilians, and we shaped the entirety of its culture, with the English side dominated by Indians, the second largest group (at a much smaller 12% or so of users at their peak).
Suddenly on a given level, instead of indicating how many lessons have been completed (e.g., 4 of 20), the app now only indicates a percentage of completion. This is annoying, and provides less information than the previous system! Before you easily knew how many lessons were remaining to complete a particular level. Now -- especially since different levels and different topics have different numbers of lessons -- seeing a percentage of completion makes it very hard to know how many lessons remain for that level. This seems to be an example of making a change just to make a change, and makes the product significantly less helpful and more frustrating.
Using an iPhone (not Plus), the font on little numbers on the lesson icons are now so small that I can't tell a 2 from a 3, even with my reading glasses on. Using the low contrast of red on orange was already a bad idea, but shrinking the font obviously makes it worse. It seems like font within lessons is also smaller in some places, but numbers on those lesson icons are definitely too small.
More negativity likely isn't required ... however, I don't like the update. It's way dumbed down from four years ago, and it's way uglier. Seriously, is this what your dev team is up to? Making messy looking icons is more important than app functionality?
Ngl i wish yall put this much effort into mechanical stuff like allowing people to change the proportion of target language to native language. This is probably like the 5th visual redesign you've had and it really doesn't make any difference to me.
I have mixed feelings about the change. Some parts of it are good: my courses finally got rid of the stupid pictures taking majority of the space. So, the font in the Spanish course looks actually bigger, but that may be just an impression. But it really is too small in the Japanese course. But even in the Spanish course, the font could be twice as big and my eyes would welcome it. What about the older users or people with worse eye sight in general? Perhaps having several font sizes in the settings would be perfect.
I cannot choose to type right away in the app, only the boxes, that is a big disadvantage. It really turns Duolingo much more into a game and much less into a learning tool. And that is not a good thing, in my opinion. When I want just a game, I use other apps.
For some weird reason, I can test out of only some skills, not all of them, that is a reason to stick to the website. And I think the app takes a bit longer to load and to react to my answers than it used to.
I would personally appreciate Duo not interrupting the learning sessions with the "encouragements", it distracts me. You know, like that kind of overly caring grandma rushing into your room offering cookies every five minutes, while you try to study.
For some reason, I am lucky enough not to have health and blue gems, I have lingots and normal crowns in the app (unlike some people, I like the crowns. and I wonder why there aren't more options in the settings, so that everyone can choose. such settings would even be a good thing to monetize unlike health). That makes it ok to use. But should I get health, I will probably leave the app.
After all, Duolingo should remember they are still number one among the free apps (with optional premium and ads). But as soon as they push me to pay, I will go to the best products in the paid category and with a clearer selling strategy (either one time payments like Lingodeer, or monthly payments like Kwiziq, or I'll just stick to non-digital tools that are even clearer about what they sell and for how much). I guess that is what many adults learners will do, there are lots of paid products on the market these days. Many might even take the childish looks as a good incentive to reconsider their learning priorities and have a look at the books again :-)
I really don't understand Duolingo any more. There used to be a logical progression now it makes no sense. Am I missing something?
What happened to the XP bonuses for getting all or most of the questions right first time in an exercise? It seems now you just get the standard 10XP for completing an exercise but no bonus points. Also, I've noticed that on completing a question the "discussion speech bubble" no longer shows how many comments there are - when using the android app. Before if there was no number you knew there were no comments, so knew it wasn't worth tapping on to read, but now there are no numbers.
Yes, while I realize the extra XP in the app was an unfair advantage for some people (though I still miss it!), the lack of a number of comments in the discussion showing on the exercise page is definitely an issue. We can't tell whether there are many comments - or none at all - without actually going to the Discussion page, which takes up a lot of time. If it is too hard to tell us/keep up with exactly how many comments there are in the discussion, then at least tell us if there are "comments" or "no comments," so we know whether to click on the discussion or not.
For that matter, since the update, the discussion pages are getting harder and harder to get to within the app. I often wait up to a minute after clicking on the comment button, only to be told there was "an error" and I can't get to the discussion page at all, usually for the entire rest of the lesson. This seems to somehow be related to an even bigger, more fundamental issue: completed lessons are often not registering on the app, a problem which has gotten MUCH worse since the update. Today alone, I did at least five lessons that I did not get credit for. It's very disappointing when you are eager to advance, but have to repeat a lesson 3x before it finally registers. This is DEFINITELY related to the upgrade, not to my internet connection - I remember the day it started to get worse, which turned out to be the day the Android update was rolled out. It used to be periodic ... now it's happening every day, and with increasing frequency. I love Duolingo, and could care less about the app's appearance. But not getting credit for lessons - or, getting the credit, only to see it taken away again a few seconds later - just might be enough to make me quit.
You had the privilege to earn extra XP, while the rest of us just got 10 XP since ever. Be glad you could enjoy it while it lasted.
There once was a short-lived experiment with granting 13 XP per lesson (I don't remember if that was adjusted somehow based on incorrect answers), and a fair amount of people complained that they had problems figuring out the amount of lessons they had done based on an odd multiple of 13 and that they preferred the round number 10. Hard to please everyone!
The main thing I miss most so far is how many chances I have left when testing a skill.
2012 Duo is me everyday I wake up at 4:00 AM to wait in the line for the bus. UGH.
Why Duolingo team didn't add the display of language level like the web version or the older version of app?
2011 - owl, 2012 - owl, 2014 - owl, 2019 - darth vader helmet with eyes, huh?
This current (unchanged) design looks better than the new one, if you ask me!
Also, please don't implement the Health System and replace the Lingots for Gems on the website! That is why I sold my iPhone in the first place!
Duo is way too fat. What have you been feeding him, Duolingo team? Also , I like the pictures and lesson redesign, but not the homepage. This isn't just for kids
Regardless of whether or not I'm a fan of the new redesign, I'm still incredibly thankful Duo is there. A free and enjoyable way to refresh and get the basics of foreign languages? Yes, please! Although I do miss it, I don't need a flag-scarf on a golden statue to help me become a global citizen. Merci, Duo. Continue comme ça, on va unir le monde.
I think I prefer the previous design, it's the one most of us have been used to since we started out here.
it's gonna be a duo owl holding a football(bcuz in 2022, it's the fifa worldcup again!) !!!!!
Im totally okay with the the redesign but what i would love to know is, what happened to the lessons that you could have where you respond to what is said in the language from duo? like you would a text.
I think that the health system should not be added becouse its a waste of time and money also many peaple will not like it becouse they won't have the money to do it or the time to waste on it.
how do i go on vacation and get a 1 or 2 week sabatical without losing my 346 day streak
I would like to see the fluency level thing back. I remember looking to he side of the screen and seeing I had 72% in Spanish fluency and then being able to improve myself for a higher fluency score
i like the look just fine but miss the lingots tbh! I like the fewer lingots vs more gems system. Just personal preference.
I love the way that the Duolingo app now looks. It makes lessons a lot more fun and want to take more lessons each day. But, I've got a couple of complaints. Firstly, (and what a lot of other people have mentioned) is the health system. If at one point, you run out of blue stones, then you have to buy them with real money. One of the main reasons I use the Duolingo app to learn my languages, is because I can learn them for free! But, with the new health system, it's easy to run out of stones, and then you have to buy them again! This does not make it free. Secondly, I don't like the fact that you can no longer review the words that you have learnt. Now, I have to write everything down on a notepad instead of simply going to the Words section to review them. Other than that, I love the new design. But please, change the health system. Thank you!
I do not really like this. The new Duo is not DUO! Where are the scarves on the GOLDEN OWL??? What was so bad about the 2014 version? I liked it fine, and I'm sure a lot of y'all did too! Wow, what a shame. Now the owl might as well have been changed to a kid's drawing. What was wrong with 2014??? WHAT? Besides, if your goal is to make Duo simpler, then keep the Duo bird the same! It was good enough! I think y'all should have saved yourself some time by improving language courses.
If there are no scarves on the golden owl, you might as well just be making one on MS paint or finding a picture online!
At first I was annoyed by the design but I know that people generally don't like change so I waited a bit before stating my opinion. I think it will still take me quite some time getting used to it but I can live with it now. However, I still find it very understandable that the redesign is pissing off a lot of users, including myself. We all know that Duolingo has limited resources. I have a lot of respect for everyone who spends their time trying to keep this amazing concept alive and make it better. Wouldn't it be best to put those limited resources to good use? In my opinion the priorities should be:
- Fix existing features (update trees, fix bugs, etc.)
- Add new features (dark theme, more ways to spend lingots, etc.)
- Make upgrades in the design (like this update)
These first two points is what I read people complaining about, I haven't seen discussions with users begging for a new design. Personally I also would really like it if the problems with the Chinese tree would be solved. A dark theme and more ways to spend lingots (even if it's just another silly costume) are obviously less important but would still make me (and a lot of other users) very happy.
I almost only use DL why traveling so the website is often not a good option for me. Please get your priorities straight and ensure that the learning material is correct before investing in things like owl animations. I love animations but that's not why I'm here.
The new design does not look as good. You guys should keep it the way it is.
How about you try to please Greeks and Trojans by giving us different versions? You could have done the same to the crowns system, but it seems that you really did not reflect on what pleases your userbase the most and just decided to ignore our wishes even more abrasively than last time (since this actually seems to be messing up with Duo's functionality for tons of people, and effectively excluding many).
I am learning Chinese and am impressed that Duolingo managed to make its already bad redesign on iOS..worse.
1. No indication of #lessons completed or #lessons in a topic (6/6 meaning 5 finished out of 6 lessons was crazy, but knowing the number of lessons is useful. How about going back to 5/6 = 5 lessons finished out of 6).
2. Progress in topic indicated 2x by counterintuitive circular progress bar and %.
3. Level indicated 2x by color and text in each topic of a level.
Good is that now the total number of levels available is indicated.
I am not interested in the cuteness level of a green owl, but care about functionality:
1. Font size is still not adjustable and simply to small to read complex chinese characters.
2. On iPad, still no possibility for split screen.
3. In China, I keep being directed to duolingo.cn, without access to this discussion.
These are some topics that might require real development work, not just cosmetics.
I’ve just come back to Duolingo (Welsh) app on the iPad after a three week break - hard to keep going over Christmas! - and found the font has been considerably reduced. After ten minutes my eyes are aching. I will be constrained in how long I can learn for by eye strain. Please increase the font size again.
Duolingo's "refreshing redesign" looks disgusting. It is so washed out in colour that I can hardly read it, and the typeface is supremely ugly. The icons are now infantile. Duolingo is now the ugliest application on my phone. I am amazed at the destruction you have wrought for NO GOOD REASON. If I go to the desktop site, is that going to be destroyed too, the day after tomorrow? I come to Duolingo to get away from the horrors of Trump and Brexit, and now you have done this!
Barrie Davis Guildford, Surrey United Kingdom.
There are also practical difficulties of this new app design. 1) Typing window too small. Now cannot see whole phrase as typed. It scrolls, which is hopeless. 2) The red "Wrong" banner is now made huge.... so big it hides everything previously typed so we cannot identify what is/are the supposed errors. This wouldn't matter if we could move it out of the way as before, but it is now nailed down!
Also, the reward of bonus experience points for a faultless round of responses no longer seems to be happening..(??)
So, DL it is now not only very ugly, it has got pretty hard to use. What a disaster! Until now I was spending two hours on DL per day. Now it is not a good experience. To say I am very angry is putting it mildly!
Yeah a number of people have complained on the troubleshooting forum about the immovable banner. I hate using the mobile web version now because of that. (The app is still missing too many features for me to use that)
The new makeover is poir on the android screen. The font sizes are far too small and I struggle to see tgem even with glasses, which I don't normally need for this app. Please revert to old layout, there was nothing wrong with it. Don't 'fix' something if it's not broken.
One issue with new vocabulary words: they are shown as yellow which is hardly legible, and the color doesn't change to black any more after clicking on it.
This was different before: after clicking on a new vocabulary word, the color changed from yellow to black and the word got legible.
The new design makes it difficult to learn new words. It would be great to have the old behavior back or at least have a more contrasting color for new words.
I can't visually process the new visuals on the levels screen. Is there a way to revert them to the old ones?
This is just the ugliest thing I've ever seen. It made me cut down on using the Android app. Now I don't want to use the desktop version anymore either.
Does it really matter what Duolingo looks like, if the purpose is just for language learning? Think about that
It looks a bit infantile, like a toddler primer. Since I like Duolingo so much, I wish I could respond in a more complimentary way.
I dislike the redesign. It's too bright and childish for me (plus the golden owls are missing their flag scarves!) The real drawback with it though is the font is not very easy on my eyes. So I'm not looking forward to this being adapted to the website, but it is what is.
The real thing I'm worried about though is if the Health system gets implemented on the website version. It's the main reason that I primarily use the site over the app.
Thanks for stepping forward Luis. I'm sure your inbox is blowing up a bit.
But look: I came to the discussion board to make a simple, albeit annoyed comment: Under the German People 1 lesson group, Menschen essen Tiere STILL does not have audio, it has been that way for months, and yet there it is on the tests. I got penalized because I heard nothing and could not continue the test and the discussion is locked. Oy. So frustrating.
Then I saw this post for a "new look Duolingo." Which apparently is all about appearance and not about actually fixing anything under the hood. I have given up on the apps because they are contra-instructional, in design and philosophy, so I'm likely not affected by the redesign. I know the staff is small, but honest to God, you guys are spending all kinds of silly time and effort on surface stuff and relying on the generosity of unpaid volunteers to fix a considerable number of bugs, useless translations, problems, questions, issues, etc, which in the end are not being fixed.
And now that you are unveiling this new-look app and not doing away with the hypocritical and uneducational health system... my goodness. So thoroughly unhelpful and disrespectful to the community that supports this business and is the one constant asset Duolingo has. I hope for the sake of the company and its faithful community that something other than the mascot gets redesigned.
This is not uncommon in the German course, I regularly encounter questions - including but not limited to listening questions - which have no audio.
I don’t know if this applies to the problems you are talking about but I recently discovered that the audio problems I was having on the Firefox browser disappeared when I switched to Chrome. Even the ugly computerized voice sounds decent.
Especially when u have that default skin looking profile (I am sadly no different)
seems like mine, first i thought that the web had setting to turn on the audio, but then i found this discussion and it turns out true there is no sound effect on web.
No, the missing audio problem mentioned above is one that I have also encountered while using Chrome.
I use Chrome and also have run into occasional missing audio on listening questions in German. It is a minor annoyance when doing a regular lesson, but really irritating when attempting to test up to the next level and have to start over for making too many "errors"
On the iPhone, I can no longer check my progress in total number of points each day over different languages. Previously, I could tap "profile" (3rd of 5 options) at the bottom of the screen set for any language, and then, when "Achievements" were displayed, tapping "view" on the right side of the word "Achievements", would show details, such as the number of XP earned that day under the "Overachiever" badge. Similarly, the "Wildfire" badge would display the number of days in the current streak. While the streak information will show up at the top of the home screen, where the 4 tab icons display the "course" (or selected language), "crowns" (earned for the corresponding language), "streak" gives the number of days in the current streak, and "lingots" gives the number of lingots used, there's no easy way to check on the number of XP progress each day. I have to either get this information from my computer web page for Duolingo, or through a browser which emulates a desktop web page, or else I need to view this information on a tablet.
It wouldn't make a different if I were only learning one language, or only trying to do the bare minimum in each language from the iOS mobile app, but the present mobile iOS version doesn't seem to me keep track of XP when I want to put more effort in -- e.g., the days when I want to go back and put in 200 XP on later occasions when I have time during the day.
Again, when I mainly used a single language, like French, it would not have been a problem to track progress. (And the older iOS app would separately show the progress profile when I changed languages). I can still do that for French and Italian, where I have an older version of Duolingo on an old iPhone, but I updated so that once Russian and Mandarin were supported, I could use the iOS app. I can't track the additional progress from the home screen when I'm using Mandarin Chinese or Russian, because I finished both of these trees, and am working on going back through the different areas.
So, yes, I think @RicoSuave1212 has a legitimate point about features that we need disappearing from the mobile version
That's great to know....Now all you need to do is discontinue the health system on the IOS IPhone and IPad
What is this health system I keep hearing about? I have been using Duolingo for over 3 months and still don't know what health system is. Can you please tell me?
I use apps on my phone and iPad if I'm in a hurry or away from a laptop. The apps allot me a circle of "health". Mistakes made cause the circle to be broken - I think 1/6 of the circle disappears for each mistake, until I'm completely out of health, and need to buy it back by watching advertisements or with gems (like lingots). It punishes me for making mistakes. Not fun, not encouraging, but that's a big reason to stick to the PC version if you can.
Usagiboy7, when you make a mistake on a new lesson with new material, being forced to review old material does nothing to actually help you learn the new content.
It's counterproductive for people who are trying to move forward.
CatherineHawkins, I don't have ios so I haven't encountered the Health system yet. However, I believe there is an alternative route to having to watch ads or pay with gems. If you go back and review/practice the skills/lessons you've already done, it will restore your health, allowing you to proceed to new content again. That's within the ios app. Outiside of it, there is the website that doesn't have the Health feature. The Android app currently doesn't have it either.
CinnamonTe1, I didn't create the health feature, I can't remove it. I've never used it. I just give people the info I have and if they have information that I think might be wrong, I let them know as much. I'm not pro-health or anti-health feature.
I agree. I hate Health and use the PC if at all possible. On the IPad please do away with health.
You can also go and practice a language you find easy and delightful to get your health back up and then tackle the other language again. In my case, I was trading off Swedish and Japanese.
great advice...a big reason to stick to the PC version if you can...thanks
AkshayJadye The Health system is only in the mobile version of Duolingo. It adds a health system where you lose health for making mistakes, and if you run out of health you can't proceed with the lessons. You can do things to replenish your health, of course, but all-in-all it is a mechanic that hinders learning progress. Somehow it has not been removed yet despite it being proven to be a psychological harm to trying to learn another language.
Since it only exists on the mobile version, the solution is simple. Don't use the mobile version.
You don't have a reply button, Usagiboy7, but I think you'll still get this.
I've read several forum posts and watched countless reviews so I'll have to dig around to find the video I'm thinking of, but here's a segment from Reddit that explains the psychological issues caused by the health system:
"The stated purpose of the health system is to discourage binging and encourage you to do more practice rounds. However, general consensus is that health is a poor way of accomplishing that because of the numerous frustrating things about it:<pre>
The only way to replenish all health instantly is spending 400 gems. Gems are fairly scarce and can be bought with real money, which leaves the health system feeling like a cash grab. Running out of health blocks you from the regular lessons of every language course (with the exception of beta courses, which don't seem to use the health system). This is frustrating and adds an unnecessary amount of pressure. It punishes you for random silly mistakes, typos caused by autocorrect, clicking the wrong button by accident because your finger slipped, entering a correct answer that for some reason isn't accepted... It's infuriating when you fail a lesson and just want to try again straight away, but the health system instead forces you to choose between forking over gems (which severely sets you back if you were saving up for a streak freeze or bonus skill), waiting several hours, and doing multiple practice rounds you almost certainly don't feel like doing (technically 1 hour/practice round is enough to get another try, but going into a lesson with 1 health [or 2 if you watch the ad] is not too tempting)."</pre>
[Link to forum post: https://www.reddit.com/r/duolingo/comments/6ewchy/new_health_system/]
It's a somewhat well-known fact that in learning something, having to stop and being unable to correct your mistake triggers a negative reaction in the human brain, one which discourages further progress in whatever endeavor the brain currently is engaged with. I can find you a source on this specific issue if you want. It's not so much that the health system has no benefits, but that it comes with too many negatives to be worth it.
Duolingo is currently doing a study to see if the health system is truly discouraging users from continuing learning. The main argument in defense of the health system is that with it the users will have to go back and practice completed lessons. This is not an ideal way to incentivize this though.
EDIT - Found the video https://youtu.be/gca-C2GQsHA?t=503
@chaos_hawk I got your reply, thanks! I don't think that qualifies as proof of psychological harm. I'm not saying the Health system is good. I haven't used it and I haven't read research on how it is performing in terms of whether it is significantly increasing retention of both materials studied as well as people using program.
I hope you don't read this as my having asked a question already prepared to reject it. It wasn't asking a rhetorical question but a genuine one. I have read many unexpected things in these forums when I ask follow up questions for clarification.
Having read your reply, what you said about proven psychological harm isn't something I'd repeat based on the source of information. If Duolingo was proven to cause psychological harm, parents would be reasonable in not letting their children use the Duolingo ios app. I don't feel you've presented sufficient evidence to present that statement to parents. Though, if you and anyone else feel psychologically harmed by using Duolingo, I would encourage you and them to stop using the ios app. (This is not me being sarcastic.)
There are numerous language-learning tools (including free ones) that utilize a variety of alternative teaching methods to the point that I don't feel it is necessary for anyone to put themselves in harms way to learn a language by staying on Duolingo if Duolingo harms them. Duolingo does not prevent learners from using the forums to request and sharing recommendations to alternative language-learning resources so long as it is not someone who is using Duolingo to advertise their own products. I have been in education systems that were not only not beneficial to my learning but that were psychologically harmful. I did not attend school for 8th and 9th grade. I waited until I had access to a school that would not harm my well-being. Plenty of students went to the schools I did not go to and they were fine. But, different people have different learning needs. And that's a fact.
Somehow it has not been removed yet despite it being proven to be a psychological harm to trying to learn another language.
Sounds like you're referencing research. Can you link me to where you found that info?
To add to other repliers, the stupid health system is only on Apple mobile devices. But Antonmo - this is the first I've heard that there is random sampling among Apple device users who get stuck with the health system. If true, that would support some folks who've been saying that health is in A/B testing mode.
Which makes health even more stupid and galling.
If Duo is only testing Health, it's been going on longer than a year, even 18 months by my reckoning. Do they honestly need more data? Or to hear from more members how frustrating it is? Or perhaps more acutely, could it be that there's like four overworked staff members running this whole thing, working out unnecessary design changes and thus have no time or priority to end the test and either implement health globally (boo!) or trash it (yay!).
Its only on ios. Simply put, five mistakes and your frozen out of the app.
Don't ask you might be unlucky enough to get it. You don't want it....Run, run as fast as you can away from the health system!
I'm glad you asked because I thought for a moment that somehow Obamacare or some other government healthcare system had extended its grasp even here! LOL!
The new design is set in stone. I understand you may not personally like it, but the change is actually pretty minimal when you see the app itself. Also, interestingly, when we did the last redesign in 2014 (the one everybody here is saying was so amazing), the community almost revolted because they/you hated it so much.
Of course, your statement is missing the part where the amount of users has increased massively over the past four years, and I presume several of the old users who thought the then new design was bad did actually leave and never come back. The fact that you're getting so much negative feedback on something as simple as a design change (for the sake of change and nothing else) means that your testing was very skewed or non-existent, which is not a good sign either way. This is not just talking about which picture is used to represent the owl or other pictures in the courses themselves, but about everything else people have mentioned, like the strolling owl taking minutes to load when it used to work instantly. Also, the post we're all replying to says that the "teams are looking forward to hearing your feedback", but given your post, they aren't looking forward to anything because no matter the feedback, it's all set in stone anyway. It's a bit like saying a dictator is looking forward to being elected in future elections when he's the only candidate.
As I already wrote in another comment, Memrise did the same thing two years ago and refused to listen to any feedback, but a couple of months ago someone finally realised that they'd received perhaps 0,2% positive feedback on their new design, and they partially reverted their changes.
The "like the strolling owl taking minutes to load when it used to work instantly" was my first comment from my cell phone in the wee hours of the night when the change took place. and as far as Luis about "all set in stone" I think we should add this to explain hubris.
To be fair everything I am seeing is pretty average when places change. People don't like change. People have never liked change. Even when change is good change, people don't want change. And to be perfectly honest, I think duolingo is right to wait it out. People will get used to the new format, and new people grow fond of that format. Then when they change it again in the future it will happen all over again. Besides, there's a ton of people who like it but are unspoken. Give it a few months and see if the same amount of people are up in arms about it.
Oh, the owl is supposed to stroll?
That might be cool, if it worked on my Android device. It might give me something to look at during the 30- to 60-second delay while I wait for the lesson to load. Or something to chuckle about while I wait an hour to try to do my lessons again because the lesson wouldn't load at all. Or something to think about and smile back upon as I complete the same lesson for the THIRD time, because it didn't register the first two times.
But as it is, I don't get the animated, strolling Duo. Only the delays, the failures, and the frustration.
Design updates are fine, or at least negligible, as long as they don't hinder function. But this one DEFINITELY has done just that; I can pinpoint it to the day the update was rolled out. My 15 minutes a day has now become an hour plus, tinged with frustration.
Please (re)consider this, Duolingo design staff. I see I'm far from alone with this problem.
Thanks for the news that Memrise may have partially come to their senses! I stopped using the website regularily, when they turned it into the childish thing I would be ashamed for using, if anyone was looking over my shoulder. :-D
You are also absolutely right that it is stupid to be asking for feedback but only positive feedback. Especially as some of the issues raised are not about aesthetics but about the new font not being that easy to read by some people, or the app loading slower.
It looks to me like I will stop returning to Duolingo one day. I always have times with Duolingo and without (as I use various tools to learn) but one day, Duolingo may simply become too unpleasant. And I am primarily speaking about the real content and communication with the community, the design is just a symptom of the problems.
Luis, I think part of the complaints are not that they dislike the design but some people feel like this is at the expense of things that have been left unfixed without explanation. If Duolingo doesn't communicate what is being done about certain issues they assume they assume they don't care or are doing nothing which may not be the case.
how many duolinguists does it take to change a light-bulb..?
none...cos we don't want no change 'round here
Oh...and we really needed a change management course... the users "hate" change type...One can adopt when there is no other option available, when any other alternative come with a fee (that a lot of people nowdays cannot cover) etc. Unbelievable! and coming from an admin, I dare say insulting.
Set in stone design-wise is fine to me, but how about getting the app to respect System settings like font/text size? It's gotten to the point now where I have to use the device Zoom window to read text on my tablet. Prior to this latest update, I only needed to use it on Japanese (where the small details of character differences matter a great deal), but now I need it for Japanese, Spanish, and German...
yeah, you guys should definitely set up an accessibility taskforce of some description! I've had a temporary eye issue these last few days and it made the use of the app on my iphone quite tiring for some languages, Hebrew being the worst culprit.
I am quite happy with the changes. The fact is people dont like change. People forget they have a choice to do it all for free or pay for ongoing lessons...why should someone who pays subsidize someone who has chosen not to pay by making "Health" optional! Just keep up the work DL! I for one am making great progress and although there is still room for improvement ( there always will be) as we say in English- one man's (or woman's) meat is another man's poison! I know more and more people will sign up for DL whatever the negative folk say because it is free and it is the best online. Well done for continuing to evolve it- just think where we would all be if it had not changed since 2011.
Because not everyone has disposable income, perhaps? Because Duo gives access to quality learning for all perhaps? Yes people may sign up, but why not allow them to enjoy it? Not everyone in this universe has high speed connections!
Well, the market is different than back in 2011. Duolingo is still one of the better options among the free tools, but far from the unchallenged winner it used to be. Should it either stop being better than most competitors or free, it will lose the popularity and the income from ads or premium features.
The problem is not change per se. The problem is changing unimportant stuff (instead of fixing problems) and the new design coming with some flaws, such as the font being hard to read for a part of the users. That is not just about tastes and silly proverbs, it is about accessibility.
As a web user - Windows 10 Chrome, I would like to see a sign of health on my tree as when you get to Level 5 i.e. gold a few weeks/months later you start to forget. The old health system (on my Nokia Windows 10 phone) shows which areas you are weak and suggests which words you haven't used for a while. I find this really useful. Otherwise eventually we will all have a completely gold tree and no clue as to where to target weak areas.
Thanks for all you and your team's efforts and have a Merry Christmas.
The old health system (on my Nokia Windows 10 phone) shows which areas you are weak and suggests which words you haven't used for a while. I find this really useful. Otherwise eventually we will all have a completely gold tree and no clue as to where to target weak areas.
That's not called "health" in Duolingo but "Spaced Repetition"!
What about spaced repetition? How do I know what to practice next?
Crowns adds a lot of choice to Duolingo. Some learners love that choice, while others prefer recommendations for what to do. We're actively gathering data on current usage to try to make an intelligent system that suggests the right next steps for each learner.
Fortunately, you don't have to wait for Duolingo's staff.
You can still see your "skill decay" in your personal (unofficial, but very useful) progress page in duome.eu
Thanks I would love to see a circle around each topic that showed how long since I'd practiced the content. Obviously skewing away from the basics i.e. with some intelligence behind it.
Thanks for all your efforts over the last year. Happy Christmas.
If you have Tampermonkey you can add a script to get back to the old system: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29304553/HOWTO-Different-ways-for-spaced-repetition-with-skill-strength-viewer-user-script-and-extension
Thank you! Maybe you could dig up some old code instead? When I began using duolingo, I did new lessons twice wherever I made mistakes. (This has now been impossible for quite a while)
Thank god for that. If the health system ever finds itself on the web Im pretty sure DL would notice a very rapid migration of its userbase,
I love it, and recommend Duolingo all the time. I feel the same about the Health system, and so as I advance in different languages, move to the laptop where I feel free to make mistakes without worrying about Health. It ensures better learning. I don't mind watching ads, though, so you could find a better way of encouraging me to watch them.
Do you have any plans for doing away with the Health System at all? I hope so it is horrible!
Isn't it kinda clear when this comment gets more likes than the original post, this whole stupid idea should get stopped?
I think it also shows that users are tired of visual changes that make little difference to the effectiveness of the site. There are many things to do with functionality that people have been posting about for years but Duolingo has been busy making the site look better.
There are many things to do with functionality that people have been posting about for years but Duolingo has been busy making the site look better.
Always different people and with many upvotes? Give example posts
If you want posts making other requests or asking why things have not been fixed yet just look through the forums. There are plenty of people requesting sound, asking about courses that have stalled in the incubator for years, or why certain beta courses are being neglected.
Not to mention various requests such as restoring the congratulatory message when you level up, or tracking the forum discussions you comment on according to when you posted, so these show up on top rather than when the original post was created. Probably an easy fix for an engineer, but they are busy with esthetics.
People who dislike something tend to go and voice their complaints in far greater numbers than people that enjoy something.
I'm fully behind the change. The only thing that's missing, imho, is the skill notes(lamp) on the app like it appears on the website.
The real thing I'm worried about though is if the Health system gets implemented on the website version. Its the main reason that I primarily use the site over the app.
That’s one interesting point. Duolingo should definitely do something to take account users like you because you are getting so much upvotes. I view that maybe users could do healthless lessons in duome.eu. That way people are given freedom if they decide to roll health to web.
The health system was very sneakly put into the phone app without anyone's approval. They only selected a random group to test it is awful. It is a way they are trying to earn a few more dollars from it's users. You get 5 mistakes and must spend 450 blue stones if you want to continue learning. Here's the con, if you run out of blue rocks and want to continue you must buy them with real money! What a scam! So much for being free. bob
You can renew health via the practice option. You don’t have to buy anything.
I take it it's only on iOS from the comments I've been seeing, not Android? I haven't seen it at all on Android. I can safely say that if I was dealing with it, I would simply not use Duolingo. I use Duolingo because it is good for learning. If pressure-based microtransaction monetization takes priority, I will just quit. Learning a new language is already a very taxing endeavor for the brain without dealing with psychological manipulation on top of it. If they do manipulative monetization, their "mission" becomes a total lie. Just setting aside the ethics of it all, it is impractical to try to learn effectively in a setting like that.
I have never seen a health system and I have no idea what a blue stone or rock is, although I use te app daily. Is this only an IOS thing?
Is it so hard to find this info by yourself?
Health System Optional? In order to improve Duo for other learners, I often answer with responses that I guess will not be accepted, but probably should be. I do this in my native language only.
It seems the Health system may diminish my ability to help course creators improve acceptable correct answers. In the courses I have done, I would say that 60-70% of questions are missing at least one perfectly acceptable answer. I usually know the answer that is expected, but it often occurs to me that the expected answer is not the most correct.
Why can't "Health" be user controlled, so that we are not all painted with the same brush?
Exactly my point, it helps you learn more while helping others - win/win for you and the community especially with popular languages which are regionally nuanced. Our methods help creators and learners alike. I would hate to recite the same answer over and over. I don't think they see or consider this point unfortunately.
I have to say, I'm not too fond of the redesign aswell...
the previous one was nice, not too childish, but worked quite well.
To be fair, it's no deal-breaker, it's still okay...
I don't really like it either...but I'm here to learn soo whatever..I guess..just as long as they don't add anything too horrible or take away good stuff..
By the way, are they getting rid of lingots and replacing them with the blue things?? They better not..
apologies FowlLanguage, but I don't think anyone directly answered your question (you might be able to parse an answer over all the comments here, though).
Briefly, health is a system that's only found on Apple apps. It involves allowing the learner only five mistakes per session, and once you make those mistakes (either by mistyping, or not understanding the often garbled vocalizations, or coming across lessons without vocals at all, or simply learning by error - remember that?) you're closed out of your session, whether you've made your daily goal or not. This lasts about 8-10 hours, for partial health restoration, 24 hours for full I believe.
How do you restore your health sooner, and thereby complete your daily goal? By buying more health. Or watching an ad. Either way, its your time and/or money that you spend on a website that says its all about free language learning. If you purchase a Premium, the health goes away. This is only on apple mobile devices and not the web.
If DL needs to make money, that's their decision to make the health system wide. But right now it's only on a percentage of the users. If you're an apple user, you're stuck. Not using the apps is the suggested way to go, because the mobile devices are ... well, look at the comments here. The web version is still the best platform, I think.
It's a teaching tool/monitization feature that contributes to Duolingo's continued existence.
@Usagi, I don't really see how, considering it's making people leave Duolingo. If it does come to the web version, a lot of people are going to leave. Maybe it's making some money on the app, but the website certainly doesn't need that.
Monetization, yes. Teaching tool? Absolutely not! The only thing it teaches you is to never make mistakes. Mistakes are part and parcel of learning a new language, so as far as I'm concerned Health is a really bad system (particularly since it is flawed and it doesn't accept perfectly valid answers, not to mention that on at least two occasions the "correct" answer was grammatically incorrect English ). If they bring Health to the web version, I wager they'll lose probably half their users, if not more. Having to wait for hours to be able to do your lessons again will put off users, particularly those who don't have the necessary gems or the necessary disposable income.
Usagiboy7 sorry to answer in this thread but not sure if Duo even recorded my reply so I'll try here. (and erase afterwards for the sake of others)
Just wanted to say you're right in that long post of yours. When I referred to harm, I meant harm in the sense of learning a new language through the mobile version of Duolingo, not mental harm. For that I should have clarified. You're right as a mod to call me out on that, and you have a good perspective. I shouldn't have even used the word "proof" to begin with, as my experiences interacting with almost 100% anti-health mechanic still don't count as a majority and true numbers are needed. Hopefully I hear when Duo finishes the A/B test regarding the health system.
Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. Now that the matter is over, and if you think it'd be a good idea, I can delete my initial post about it. I suppose I didn't use anything conclusive, and it will probably just cause further confusion. Shall I remove it?
Thanks for all the replies. I don't take them for granted.
It's not so much intended as a call-out. Rather, I wanted to explore the statement and see what I found and then share my thoughts. And, I definitely wasn't taking that action as a moderator, but rather as a member of the community. The company doesn't pay me to defend it's products. (It doesn't pay me anything, actually.)
I too look forward to concrete data about what exactly the Health system is accomplishing for learners, for better or worse. :)
PS Oops, I forgot to answer your question about removing it or not. It's entirely up to you.
Nothing about the tech crunch article you cited, @Usagiboy7, implies to me that the Health system (as it has been described by people) would help anyone learn. I know you weren't talking to me, but I wanted to chime in, as the article seems like it's ridiculously incomplete and leaves out a lot of information. For one thing, note that the article describes habits. It's kind of hard to form habits if an app is actively preventing you from forming them in your own way. Even little kids have a need for autonomy and restricting their learning for reasons that have nothing to do with learning itself can only be a bad thing; I can't imagine how that could ever have a good psychological impact. It can be hard enough as it is getting people to want to learn in the first place.
It seems to me that the essence of that article could be boiled down to, "Do it every day, but don't burn yourself out." Which is about as intuitive and common sense as skill-learning advice gets. Maybe I'm being unfair though and it's only obvious to me because of the time I've spent self-teaching different skills. (Side note: Despite knowing this, it's important that I'm able to binge on something if I so choose. I cannot change certain aspects of how my brain works and sometimes I am at my most effective and motivated in spurts. I know this is not the most effective way to retain information in the long-term, but I also have motivation to consider and without motivation, I'm sunk from the start.)
At any rate, I seriously doubt there is any actual learning-based justification for the Health system, as it is described. It is for monetization, not learning, and any system that attempts to combine the two will either damage learning or be ineffective at monetization. They can't have their cake and eat it too. Duolingo should lean into encouraging subscriptions instead. Possibly lean on the Wikipedia angle; "we're doing the world a service, do you want to support it?" That sort of thing. If they lean into the Health angle of things, I guarantee it will be this app's undoing in the long-term. It might make more money leaning into the Health angle, but the charm will disappear and people will once again look elsewhere for an easy/guided way to learn languages. Maybe that would be a good thing for the cause of education though. Maybe someone will try an open source project for some competition.
You still didn't answer my question...
But no worries. Sometimes another pair of eyes is needed for stuff I say, lol. Do you know of any release day planned for the statistics?
Wow! You replied fast! I was hoping to get my edit in fast enough for you to see it before you replied. My bad.
I don't know. But, one of the places they publish data is here: https://ai.duolingo.com/ Some people have mentioned also being able to find Duolingo's research via Google Scholar. If you come across the info down the road, please let me know! :)
Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it. (actually I'll have one of my browser add-ons watch it for me but same thing)
Guess I'll leave the post then. Hope the results come soon. I'll let you know if I hear anything. (Although I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to find you again)
Here's something. The Help page says this about Health. In it, it cites a research article about the 3 habits of successful language learners. It's more about the foundational theory behind the Health feature though, not data produced from people using it. So, we still have something to look forward to.
Now that IS interesting. So it's really that they don't want me to binge, huh? sigh I still think there's got to be a better way to discourage that though. Even being upfront about it with plain text would be something. I don't know, gonna have to think on this one. There has to be a solution, but to not make it annoying will require lots of careful thought.
Hopefully, with so many people disliking the new design on the app, Duolingo would bring back the old design!
Don't count on it. Check out the history of the reddit redesign. I think this will be a similar situation
Don't take the scarves away from the golden owls! They're the laurels of the language arena!
the golden owls are missing their flag scarves!)
What??? That surely must have been a mistake! That is the best thing about the golden owls!
ETA: Just had a look in the app. The owl is completely naked now! What were you thinking, DL??? What about all the kids that use DL? Do we need an R rating now?
But seriously, the owl looks rather sad now and very unmotivating. Please, DL, bring back the scarves!!! What’s the purpose of collecting several owls if they all look the same?
Please don't criticize the Duolingo staff. Their numbers are really small and some are just volunteers. They are doing their best, I'm sure.
Are you talking about the app or the website, because the update hasn't been rolled out to everyone on the web yet, or possibly anyone at all.
My owls on the web still have the scarves, but I don't use the app.
Yeah. I don't have any Golden Owls yet but I've seen some images and the owls do look way better with the scarves! Also the font isn't very good for my eyes either so I'm disappointed... But other than that I think the re-design is okay.
I also dislike the new app. i quit it. also i miss the flag scarves. i have not gotten one on this profile, but on my other one, i have gotten many! i guess i will have to live with it.
That's so funny. The one thing that never changes is people hating change.
There will always be feedback ignored. When people give the exact opposite feedback, someone is leaving being "ignored". It's not that duolingo, or any company, is ignoring their consumers, it's just impossible to satisfy everyone. I can promise you if they made it perfectly to your liking, there would be the same amount of people on here complaining about how they don't like it.
That may be true but I ask just one thing, and if you can give me an answer I'd believe you: Name one thing the community asked for in feedback and they implemented it. They said, in this post and several other places, that they value feedback. I ask to see an example, that is all.
That's 100% true but I don't see how the redesign is that bad at all. I think I'm the only one who likes it lol
I like the redesign. I was never interested in this site because of the style of golden owl trophy or the scarf it was wearing, I was interested in it because they always said they wanted to offer free language education to the world, and whether or not the methodology they used was perfect or the experience they had to offer was the best, the important thing was that they actually really meant it.
It's really hard to put into perspective, but when I was growing up, I would have quite happily sold my soul for this product, and yet here it is, they are giving it away, and somehow we are all able to complain about the minutae of how they are doing it.
If you think the redesign it's too childish, you've probably forgotten that a good portion of duolingos target audience happens to be kids of school age, so making the site look friendlier and less intimidating is a probably good policy on the whole.
I personally don't find it too patronising not to use it despite that. When duo tells me that I have worked really hard and got 10 in a row, or that I am still learning even though I made a mistake, I just smile and nod :)
I think the point was for it to be easier for people of all ages to understand.
Yeah, you're right. I haven't been able to visit for a while, and when I did, I suddenly noticed the changes… but I don't like 'em though. Also seems that some of the audio has changed as well. The Irish I've learned to pronounce sounds waaay now different all of a sudden. Now I'm not really sure if I learned to speak it correctly in the first place /:
Look above. There are tons of responses to this query as it has been asked before. Be glad you don’t have the Health system in your phone. :-)
Yours is bright? That's strange. Mine has been changed to be very insipid and lacking in contrast making. This makes it hard to read.
Hey Gamers! If anyone has the time to collaborate onto my french dictionary, then plz do so: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v7EKgwCd4byuG4ApypnOuPyZPPcFzC4OGG7SK6V1CWg/edit?usp=sharing
This is a mobile-focused design. What parts of it are getting rolled out to web users? Should we expect to see "features" that make the current apps objectively worse than the current website like health, gems, and a lack of tips and notes? Will the new website be in any way functionally different from what it is like now?
So, you're giving us a new look to the Android version but what about the promise that you made a year ago about designing new communication tools? Personally, I like Duolingo just how it is. We don't need a more enhanced, animated look to Duolingo!
Currently all iOS users and most Android users should have access to it. Since the learning and engagement metrics are very positive, we expect to roll out to all users on web in the coming months.
Quote: Since the learning and engagement metrics are very positive, we expect to roll out to ALL users on web in the coming months.
Hello Duolingo team,
didn't you test the new crown code before exclusively on the Android app and rolled it out to all web users in April 2018?
Same problem, same issues, same metrics?!
Are you aware that this will break again Tampermonkey user scripts and Stylus userstyles if you change previously generated classes or rewrite the html/css code completely?
Several users have been working on userstyles or extensions e.g for a "Dark mode".
Now they have to restart from scratch?!
Can I please opt-out in the first 3-6 months, please please please?!!
I might test it after 8-12 months once you have initially fixed ALL new introduced bugs!
I might even roll into your special alpha / beta testing group on a 2nd (testing exclusive) account or when it is the right time for me and I want to see UI changes or I might be looking for a font size improvement.
If you want feedback from users on their test accounts: Just ask them. Don't force them.
Personally I just want to do my practice lessons and benefit from the additional audio and old Duo lesson style (before your new lesson web update).
I am very satisfied with the web portal as it is right now (with additional user script support)....well some backend features are needed here or there and the one or other review bug needs to be fixed...but this is not really new to your team.
I am quite sure that I will not benefit from ANY web UI frontend changes at the moment!!
Corrupted userscripts because of fundamental web code changes will just give me a hard STOP on my learning experience...
......it will take weeks / months to fix them again (and I can not do it personally).
I have seen it with the "forum maintenance update" in late September 2017!
Sorry, I do not want to run into it.
I might pay for Duolingo Plus if I can opt-out from the first rollout phase!
Honestly, I would be more glad if I could:
- complete my PT->DE tree
- and start and finish the PT->EN very new A/B tree with the web code as it is right now.
- opt-in to the new 108 skill PT-EN tree
- stay on the better English->French tree3 and start it in 2019 (26+ dedicated French grammar skills which have been removed on your staff 8+12 A/B trees!)
This will be very much (more) PRODUCTIVE for me.
You (neither we!) simply cannot expect from userscript programming gods like Camilo (Duolingo Tree Enhancer) or userstyle writers like Tiramisue or any "Dark scheme" programmers to fix their code over and over again!
One of the most important goals in IT
Never change (and break) a running system -- without a very good planning and detail testing phase!
Since the learning and engagement metrics are very positive
Sorry, but are we now comparing apples and bananas? Again?
Who from your mobile (tapping) app users have Camilo's userscript Duolingo Tree Enhancer installed to assist with TTS audio in the right, the target, language??
1) You simply can not measure typing metrics and how benefiting it may be to hear the L2 TARGET audio, if your mobile app - with almost tapping only - does not support it!
2) I am not sure how many smartphone/tablet users might use the mobile browser (compact mobile view) on their handheld device instead of** the mobile tapping app:
But how many of your million of users are IT specialists and actually skilled enough / or have the proper time to get Tampermonkey/Violentmonkey and other similiar addons or Stylus running on their mobile devices and browser together with the above mentioned userscripts and userstyles from the web (desktop mode)?
Please provide more detail statistics about this and how you measure(d) this.
Please don't fake your own metrics!
"Traue keiner Statistik die du nicht selbst gefälscht hast!" (this sentence is not from me, but well known)
Your mobile (Android tapping) app for example is a real pain to use for a reverse tree, e.g Portuguese->German, as you completely miss playing the target Portuguese audio.
I am learning and trying to improve Portuguese, don't I?
@Dr. Luis van Ahn
Hi Luis, aren't you learning Portuguese here on Duolingo too?
Aren't you interested how to improve the reverse-/laddering trees and how all the review SR bugs (quote often with a ZERO spacing, 4-6++ same question) can be fixed to give a better - the maximum - learning experience?
I would be so glad if your team could focus all your efforts on the IMHO real prio 1 things (e.g let the user deactivate simple picture type exercises, remove "fill the word into the blank" challenges, both on L2+ crown levels; fix the wrong translation direction on crown L4+L5 levels (too low ratio), re-engineer new review bugs with L5 skills or a full L5 + 100% strength tree,...).
If you need metrics:
There are almost 17,228 (12254+4974 alumni members) power users listed on the SHOF http://www.duome.eu portal and I am almost sure that not too many of them will be using mobile devices - with tapping - for a too long time.
Please start a public question query which users want to opt-in/opt-out or want to stay - and for how long - on the current web code.
Last time the Memrise developer team (for whatever reason) brought "some mobile features and design" from their apps to their web portal / dashboard, it completely broke the homepage.
I still can not review my words in the backlog queue with a single "classic button" click as I now have to press the "More" button first and wait for a 2nd popup screen.
I just can hope that you do not do the same errors as them?
I don't think that it makes very much sense to rollout an update to ALL of your web users at the same time - like with the half-baken crowns update (no spaced repetition, no skill detail overview page) in April 2018.
I need to remind your team that I did not click the opt-in button, but finally you FORCED all users into it with the "simple crown conversion rule"...many of us hated your final move without asking us!
1) Please create alpha opt-in and beta testing groups.
2) Give yourself more time to fix any potential bugs (or for how many months have you been testing your new web code before you roll it out to everyone??)
3) Make your long-term users happy with a high code quality and good QA, not your investors with fancy UI frontend changes!
4) Your last "Duo lesson frontend redesign" brought us too small text fonts on the web portal and a conflicting text field which collidates with the upper translation text and hints.
Only a userstyle could FIX this (maybe after a few weeks/months it was changed back with the next web update, maybe not).
High quality and bug fixing counts and priorising on #1 bugs/improvements is more important to many of your users than fancy - but probably unnecessary - UI frontend changes on the web at the same time / big rollout.
Thanks for your attention.
With best regards from Germany
I am not an English native speaker, but I tried my best writing this.
I do not want to hurt anybodys feelings, but I wanted to write my thoughts down and hold you back from potentially breaking the web system as so many of your user base are enjoying (instead of using mobile tapping apps).
Thomas, I think it's safe to say Duolingo would improve substantially with you in the developing team. Unfortunately, it seems they are just changing things for change's sake (and getting rid of the things that work, too) instead of adding useful features.
I'm pleased to see they're hiring for a French from Chinese course.
And, my goodness, how many jobs!
Nice link! It would be awesome if they ever complete the Chinese course for Japanese speakers.
There is however a Japanese course for Chinese speakers in the incubator.
How long did that take to right
@Thomas.Heiss, I would like to tell you that you are amazing. Writing that whole comment in your non-native language. You did a great job!
@Luis @Duolingo staff @all subscribed users
I wish you much personal success in 2019 and realizing all your goals.
May all the potentially good and new feature requests from your "What changes would you like to see" thread https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/28202855 and your internal company's TODO/bug list (prio 1+2) be able to be implemented from your developer teams so you can bring them to life for us and further extent your product or improve quality.
On 12/29/2018 I received your "New year" offering e-mail for buying "Duolingo Plus" for continuing my Portuguese course with a "Save 50% off" in 2019 (expired 29 December 2018 11:42pm).
Maybe your team is interested in an honest feedback?
Your calculation table (three columns) on the web however was only comparing prices for the 1st (monthly) subscription column, which indeed tells a very different truth as the yearly cost (3rd column) normally is already a bit reduced, hasn't this always been the case before?
For this offer your announcement e-mail did not show the 3rd yearly price column if you make an one-time payment at once as you usually do.
Why is that?
Hatte ich etwa Tomaten auf den Augen?
Currently I do not see any table with three columns and transparent prices anymore as your URL https://www.duolingo.com/?purchasePlus=forum only shows for my account your 7-day trial offering with the two buttons "Try for free" (this might be a new feature you have introduced in 2018 as it was not always working like this!) and "No, thanks".
My impression is that you now try to get more users into buying a "Duolingo Plus" subscription at the end of the year (before!) and AFTERWARDS you will rollout - as announced in this thread - somewhere in 2019 your new UI redesign/ frontend code to the web portal.
The DRAWBACK in doing this - and for all other new confirmed (yearly) Plus member subscriptions in Q1/2019 - is, that you high likely might introduce new bugs (well, we all know how software development usually works, especially with some pressure on set deadlines, don't we?) and I still fear that the new code potentially renders previous existing functionality (user styles, user scripts, etc.) suddenly non-working as I tried to explain previously: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29997264$comment_id=30000236
Wer will schon komerziell eine "Katze im Sack" kaufen, d.h ein ggf. nicht mehrere Monate von der QS Abteilung gesteter neuer ALPHA/BETA Web Code, ein nie selbst zuvor gesehenes Frontend UI Design?
And if your users made the 50% off "New Years" payment wanting to support your company (either monthly or yearly which is not always really understandable from the offering / choice table as some users seem to complain on the forums after payment!) because they like the current professional web UI design, why should they be happy when you take it away in 2019?
In my opinion "Plus members" should have at least the option to opt-out from any forced web design rollout in 2019+, at least in the first 6-12 months!
I have already requested this in my comment above: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29997264$comment_id=30000236
@Luis @Severin H.
I have another suggestion / idea:
Q: Why can't you make the web UI design option at least switchable (different user base: kids, teenagers, adults, etc.), please?
Warum wollt oder könnt ihr denn mehrere Frontend UIs nicht - sowohl (vor allem) im Web bzw. auch in den Apps - PARALLEL anbieten?
Dann müßte theoretisch für jeden User in den drei Kategorien (Kinder, Teenager, Erwachsene) etwas dabei sein und niemand braucht sich aufzuregen oder dem alten Web UI Design hinterherzuweinen, wem genau eben das gefällt und er/sie als "Plus Mitglied" genau dafür 2018-Q1/2019 gezahlt hat!
Ein gutes Gelingen dieses in 2019 "heil" - d.h mit möglichst wenig User-Kritik - über die Bühne zu bringen wünsche ich Eurem Team!
Best regards / Viele Grüße
Please provide more detail statistics about this and how you measure(d) this.
I guess it's simply from all these "little" (3rd-party-)scripts/trackers in Duolingos website and especially the mobile app.
See here for more information on the app: https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/43493/
Quote: we are getting close to the end of the month and have a ton of updates that we want to share with you
Source: "April 2019 updates": https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31849174
Sorry to say, but since the last rollout of your "web frontend update" changes my Firefox V52.9.0esr EXE process runs on Windows amok and consumes on the "Home" and "practice" pages 50-60% of its CPU time when only one page is open, always; your website now freezes quite much, I have to restart after a few lessons.
I cannot even open anymore 4-6 skills with the "/practice" URL link in parallel in multiple browser tabs.
This 100% completely kills my browser even I have not started any review sessions (I did not press the normal vs timed button)!
I also have monitored other threads from users that they have got freezes or lags with the "new web design", so obviously I am not alone?!?
When only the community forum http://forum.duolingo.com is open firefox.exe CPU load is 20-30/36% which is still quite high (for having only loaded the top menu bar).
Normally an "inactive" website (once it has finished loading) either consumes 0% or very low (5-10%) CPU load.
BTW: This does not happen with Mondly, Lingvist, Memrise or any other normal (Opensource) forum websites, so for the moment Firefox does not seem to be the issue here?!
I also had turned off Tampermonkey and Stylus addons testwise and restarted! It didn't help anything! What "real benefit" have I got besides this corruption with the update?
No, I cannot upgrade on this Laptop system to Firefox Quantum V64.0 or Google Chrome V71 / 73+!
Is anybody still testing with Firefox V52.9.0esr (32-bit)?
What browser versions is your QS (quality assurance) team using in parallel?
I will do some additional tests in the next days for the high CPU usage and lags / freezes with a fresh Firefox profile as well on another newer (stationary) 64-bit PC system (not Laptop) where I do not have daily access to.
Is this really only on my side?
Is there any advanced developer who can maybe help me to track it down what type of code is causing this issue in Firefox?
Ich bewundere immer wieder dein Engagement und deine Ausdauer seitenlange Stellungsnahmen zu schreiben!
Du machst dies ja auch bei Usern, bei denen es aufgrund ihrer unwissenden und völlig naiven Anfragen eigentlich umsonst ist!
Ganz davon abgesehen, bedienst Du dich einer extrem fachspezifischen Terminologie, sowie deren ebenfalls "kryptischen" Abkürzungen, die wohl von kaum mehr als 25% der User (allein aufgrund der deutschlandweit verteilten IQ-Struktur) verstanden werden können!!!
Daher eine große Bitte (Frage) an Dich: Kannst Du auch normal kommunizieren/schreiben, also dass dich auch jeder normale Bürger (Bäcker, Metzger, Landwirt, Schlosser, KFZ-Mechatroniker, Kassiererin z.B. bei ALDI, Krankenschwester oder Müllwerker) verstehen kann? Das wäre ein Riesengewinn für Dich und alle User! Du riskierst sonst als recht überheblich oder arrogant rüber zu kommen!!! Ich weiß, dass es nicht so ist, aber fordere von Dir auch (genauso wie von allen Politikern!) die normale und verständliche Sprache deiner Mitbürger zu sprechen.
Quote: The top menu bar on web will get updated and look a little different, inspired by the app look
Source: "April 2019 updates": https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31849174
Won't this break the quick "language course switcher" code hidden behind the flag left besides our avatar where you can jump from courses with a different base/source language back and forth?
I answered here: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31849174$comment_id=31852751
Quote T.H: Won't this break the quick "language course switcher" code hidden behind the flag left besides our avatar
Quoting myself I can now answer my own question:
The newest "top menu bar" with buttons did not completely break the quick language course switcher code.
But you have already REMOVED the language levels 1-25 which we could always see in our language list, why!?!
At least your latest web updates from the past days (regenerated classes?) managed to BREAK again Camilo's "Duolingo Tree Enhancer" userscript for multiple-choice questions and playing the audio in the L2 target language!!
Where was my celebration Portuguese L25 congratulations popup level up message and donated lingots when I finally reached 30,000XP after 2,5 years of hard work?
Before your 2-3 recent frontend web UI changes in 2018 or 2019 your old web portal ALWAYS gave us a nice popup message and notifications (somewhere around 2016/2017) when we leveled - with XP - up from one level to the other and we also received a few lingots.
What was exactly the point in removing this existing code, just like the 1-25 levels in your course switcher dropdown box?
Yes, I know...you have already removed the language 1-25 levels on the recent mobile app versions.
That. is. the. longest. comment. i. have. ever. seen. It is even longer than the longest post i have ever seen!
The ability to test to skip through loads of activities and allow me to level up on skills seems to have gone? I rely on it as I’ve been away from Duolingo am starting to complete the skills, but I recall most of the vocabulary and thus testing to complete skill levels is very good for me.
Really? I am still on the old build, but If they have changed it that much, I don't want to "upgrade"?
If I'm honest, it doesn't look that big, especially compared to the others, but I'll still support the new ideas anyway.
I prefer the web version for one particular reason, well two but because I subscribed to the plus version only one now (Health Shield on) With the app it is soo easy to hit "enter" by mistake and your answer is submitted. I would have prefered to be able to only submit your answer via the "check" button. I would also have liked to see less translations and more associations like Rosetta Stone but I must admit that the user interface on Dualingo is far superior and quick, except for that damn enter/done button ... I don't know how many times I almost threw my phone against the wall because I pressed enter by mistake
I got an upgrade notice on my Android version. I installed it, and now my phone and desktop levels aren't in sync. Any suggestions to resynce them?
i think there's a lot of room to improve the course, more practical in particular.
I am using Duolingo plus. It has stopped working after 230 plus days. It is very frustrating. I use it on my iPhone. It suggested a download upgrade, which I tried to do but still the same problem.
It is indeed frustrating to stick with the program day after day, to work hard with it, only to have such a disheartening crash. Can you help me?
Here are the articles for Troubleshooting Duolingo Plus. https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/sections/115001321983-Duolingo-Plus
There is a new League tab on mobile but now I can't find the clubs tab. I liked talking with people through that and now I can't find it anymore. Does anyone know how to get back to it?
It would be great if you could use speech recognition for the app in English. I get tired of writing translations.
never mind the new design...wondering how/why i lost my 122 day streak today while i was on duolingo...never missed a day yet I'm back on day 1??
I'm not sure about the evolution for the Duolingo logo for 2018. It looks...weird. I like the current one better.
I really hope these new things won't adapt to the web version of duo. I'm still a bit disappointed that there are such huge differences between iOS, Android and web.
Yet I benefit from some differences, such as getting Lingots for keeping the streak on Android, I missed that when I needed to switch to iOS (due to my phone not working). I think there are things that should work on every language and version of Duolingo such as the 'words' section which sadly works only for the 'big languages' (Spanish, French, English...). But I enjoy the 'club' section in the app, it should adapt to the web version just as the 'discussion' section should adapt to both app versions.
I am disappointed of the iOS version where I can not follow discussions of the tasks in the courses at all! Sometimes a user needs help with sentences, that is not given here. I frequently used this option when I didn't understand a e.g. word order. Due to using iOS now I can't pose questions on difficult tasks.
Also I experienced the little bulb for explanations of a theme in the courses on the web version. I missed this little bulb while using both mobile versions. Maybe they could be scripted into the mobile versions too? This could solve many questions users could have.
Though I like the new cute little Duo, I am still not satisfied with the new design. I agree with AnnaMayBates that the redesign looks too childish. Personally I think the previous design looked childish and clean enough to attract children as much as adults. Due to smaller displays on some phones the icons are too detailed in some points, it was easier to look at them before the redesign.
Would it possible for the noun to have gender in German lesson? Thank you.
With this update, I would get the endless walking owl before taking a lesson (or testing out) on my Android app. This happened only when using my home wi-fi, so I had to resort to using 4G only with the Android App. FINALLY, after much effort (weeks), I got the problem to disappear by turning off DHCP6 prefix delegation (part of ipv6) in my home router.... this got the walking owl (who walked forever) to finally load the lesson (or test) very quickly on the app. So, clearly, something in the internal networking of Duo changed this past month, too. Not just the owl pictures.
I wish I could applaud. However, someone at Duo Lingo just does not get how difficult it is now to navigate and prioritise what to do next with these "crowns". I am about 5 lessons short of the full German course. That means I must have about 40 subjects on the go. How on earth am I meant to make sure I keep them all reviewed in some kind of balanced manner and recall where I left off ? The crown system has pretty much killed off DL for me although I try occasionally to dip back in
Just upgraded to the new version; the percentage completed for each skill is a nice addon, otherwise it's sort of meh. I never liked the figures that appear (as hypothetical locutors, I guess) on some courses: waste of screen space, basically, so their redesign doesn't matter to me the least bit. On the accessibility front, the added shading on boxes is more tiresome on the eyes; as mentioned elsewhere, proportional fonts are still unavailable. That makes the app a quite unpleasant way to use Duolingo if your eyes tire easily.
I understand putting resources into the look-and-feel thing. What would be better though is to have functional improvements, to help the app catch up with the web site. For instance, why can't one display the XP and level in all the languages one is learning? I use that to share my work between the courses. Even more important: access to grammar tips! You don't learn a language by practice only. As things are, trying to learn a language using only the app would be a fool's errand!
One matter I won't be complaining about: the health system. It is unpleasant and it is counterproductive, of course. But I do understand that you guys need a business model!
Nice work on the re-design, but I must say that I preferred the previous version. I DO like the tile format in the listening exercises. It makes getting through the lesson less cumbersome, especially on the iPad where you can’t type as quickly as you can on the phone. But the previous design version had a slightly more sophisticated style to the icons and the color palette was a little more varied which I preferred. However the thing that I feel the most strong about is that the font is just too small!! It seems to be half the size of the last one and that can sometimes make it difficult to see in certain environments. Not all of us who are learning languages have eight years old eyes !
The new version takes forever to load on my app and the web version no longer has a voice for Spanish or German.
The new app version takes forever to load and the web version lost their voices
I still have the old design on my computer, and wish to never get the redesign
"Visual changes tend to elicit passionate responses, and we expect this to be no different given how much this community cares about Duolingo and our mission."
Nice way to turn those "passionate responses" into "loving support," Duolingo.
Nice way to say we hear you when they're not listening.
And nice way to say that they won't change features but only design, when they change it.
And "passionate" is another way to say "you are boring us with your complaints".
I use the app on the phone and the web on my mac. One thing I think could be improved on the app is the green answer box at the bottom of the page when you have answered a practice question. The writing and the green screen have little contrast between them.
Could you guys finally include the gramatic explanations in the app? Some of the lessons are super annoying because there is no explanation as to how the gramatic behind it works. Why would you only offer the explanations on desktop anyway? Just include the little lightbulb (from the desktop version) in the app and show the site with the explanations for each lesson. You could even use a forum post for each lesson if you don't have the frontend resources to develop a good looking version for the app...
The new font makes it difficult to distinguish between lower case "L" (l) and upper case "i" (I). This makes it hard to read languages which are new to a DL user. It is especially difficult when reading the words in the Klingon module.
you still have done away with that horrible Health system on the IOS. that would be the best improvement that you could make!
You used to finish one 4-part lesson and move on to the next. Now I seem to be stuck on Interests. Am I supposed to choose topics at random? If so how do you gradually make the lessons harder?
On French, I think I was the only one that went there. I was no great performer, but I was "Weekly Winner" quite regularly!
There were a bunch of different clubs and you could leave and join new ones. Took me a few tries but I ended up in one with pretty active discussion. Now gone without warning?
Happy with the redesign overall, except this one simple but significant problem:
After pressing 'Check' during a lesson, the result banner is no longer movable. This means that it is sometimes impossible to compare the correct answer with the answer that the user gave (if the answer is long, the banner takes up a lot of the screen and obscures the submitted answer).
Hopefully this is easily fixed?
My level 4 Spanish has all disappeared and I much preferred the old format Help !!!
I had a streak freeze- and skipped a day- and it's gone! Isn't that what a streak freeze is for? And they wanted $14 to return it. Nope. Not necessary- and apparently not necessary to buy streak freezes if they don't do what they say they do- making points worthless. So dissapointed.
I bought a new computer a few months back, and this page of basically just text takes ~4 seconds to load. I don't mean to be rude, but how well trained was the squirrel you used to run across the keyboard to code this site?
I see a vocal group of people who dislike the design so I just thought I'd chime in and say I quite like it! It feels refreshed and lighter to me, which was the stated intent.
I'm quite indifferent to the GUI elements, honestly, except where the text size comes into play. They can make the design as mature or cartoonish as they like, but the font needs to be resizable for those with vision problems. As it is now, I've gone from using the Zoom window just on Japanese to all my languages.
I feel like it pushes the design a little too far into the extreme of "child-like", but I personally don't mind it and would even go as far as to say I'll get used to it pretty quick. We've had far more drastic changes to the owl before.
My thoughts exactly. There are three things I look at here: the skill tree, the lessons and the discussions. The cartoon characters and Duo appear in none of those (thankfully). I only see Duo at the end of a lesson when I try to click through all the unnecessary stuff as quickly as possible to get back to studying.
I am secretly hoping (while talking about it on a public forum) that the time spent on this could have been used on something that affects how, how well and what (hint hint) we learn but that's not in the hands of the design team so... they did their thing and hopefully others are doing theirs.
The app looked fine as it was. What I would prefer to see is development in courses, in content, in usability, in features. Where exactly are the Italian stories, for example? We've been told that they won't expand to other languages while they're still working on stories in the four languages that have that feature, but what are they doing, precisely? Also, Tips & Notes are nowhere to be seen in the new and improved app, besides in the Spanish course (maybe in some others, but not in Italian or Russian).
What I would prefer to see is development in courses, in content, in usability, in features.
This is a design update involving (mostly) the designers. The experts in charge of pedagogy, course creators / maintainers and developers who have the responsibility for the tasks you mention would be minimally affected by this project. In other words, Duo's staff can manage more than one project at a time.
What about a budget? If they fired all of the designers of the new look (which they should), they can hire more people to develop content and functionality.
The designers are probably doing what they were told to do by marketing (been there, done that) and the course content is mostly created by volunteers.
Designers just obey the directive. If you hire them to make beautiful things, they'll do. I don't think it's their choices. It's the boss's choices. I don't think the boss will fire himself.
What a disgusting comment. People should lose their livelihood because you and a relative handful of users dislike their design choices? Wow.
I adore your comment. No matter what the structures inside of that company are, the idea behind this comment is so true.
The first thing that really got me started to complain about Duolingo would definitely be the crowns/skill levels (that I got out of nowhere), which hindered my effective learning on Duolingo. I could go down the list of problems I faced when going down the trees, then a new redesign came outta nowhere on my android app that made the app look even more different. I honestly prefer the 2014 version than the one right now.
I used to do 20-30 lessons on an average day before the crowns, and now I barely make my goal of 5. I'm definitely a lot less enthusiastic about Duolingo than I used to be.
I agree regarding the crown system. I also noticed that the lists of words disappeared from individual lessons, which greatly hindered my studying as I would use those lists to quiz myself later. I'm open to change, but when that change makes Duolingo less effective at its goal of teaching, it makes me less able and enthusiastic to learn.
I agree. I liked using the quizzes when I completed lessons. Now I have to redo the lessons for the third time to get to the quizzes.
I don’t dislike the redesign, but it seems a bit too childish. (I know people have already said that) I use the app, and for me the sizes of the buttons are way too small. But I don’t know what the website will look like with the redesign.
I use the website version pretty much exclusively. I've noticed the change in design on the tips pages and I'm fine with it. Agree with other posters that there should be some visual way to distinguish between owls of different languages. Haven't noticed a change in font - but as you've probably heard, the current one is not the best for seeing accents (particularly over the i). I would hope to see a change there.
ah the 2012 owl... reminds me of my middle school days, when we could just duolingo to practice... and be frighted by their mascot lol
Well, I actually like the new exercise were you get to practice saying the word its pretty cool!
I know a lot of people are complaining about the golden owls can some one please explain what they are?
Great work! Really enjoy Duolingo! Could we please spend some time and resources on the correct solutions in Portuguese and Spanish? some of the solutions don't make sense and there are many comments in the discussion recommending more appropriate solutions. Gracias y obrigado.
The new owl looks like a cross between a deer caught in the headlights and a baby hoping you'll pick it up. I like the conducting owl better . . .
I don't see any changes to mine, unless it was applied to certain languages. I don't see it on Korea, maybe my app hasn't updated yet. I'm not worried or even care about the visual changes as long as I can continue my learning. What I would like to see more of is speaking skills and Korean stories in the lab section.
A better design would have been to add the notes to the app version rather than this childish idea. Plus subscription cancelled and account deleted. Bye bye!
I like the new redesign of the Duolingo app. However, I think it would be beneficial if vocabulary lists of words were added to the program.
I don't really like the redesign either. I think the new Duo looks cute, but I think I like the old one better.
I'd like to post a question I believe valid for many occasions. I mean: at the end of the day, which is the REAL difference between the s.c. 'app' and the 'normal' InterNet access? IOW: what's the added value for me in accessing DuoLingo via the 'app' rather than via a regular InterNet way? BTW, I do NOT possess any 'smartphone' (you know... old-fashioned guy). In any case, I'm impressed by your great efforts: thank you very very much and... my compliments!
i like the 2014 owl better!the new one looks like a girl though(judging my own kind!)
It's ok but it's only a different style with the exact same functionality.
I would prefer if I could choose more verbal and hearing questions. I know the in my settings I can turn on or off if I receive different types of questions, but I'm talking about setting a weights. So I can still have some written questions but more verbal.
That's the sort of change I would like added to the interface.
the new duo owl looks like a girl one! but i prefer the 2014 one!!!!!!!!!!who's with me?!
I wonder how you found it - no reference to such useful section on the pages I visit. Or is it the same wish that I have :)
the words section is just working for the 'big' languages: french, spanish, italian, english
Oh, that is very sad that Duolingo did not progress the way I expected. In December 2014 I began using it. But now, always the same lessons and boring words. I thought it would be the future. I tried once again today and keeps repeating the same words over and over again. So boring. Sorry for saying. but I criticism I wish this toll come back as great again.
I like the redesign (though I'll miss the current one). I do have one suggestion: give the little trophies their flags back. It just makes it a little nicer. Or maybe input a little cosmetic "trophy case" in a user's profile? Not really major complaints, just things that would make it look nicer.
That is one thicc tomato.
I don't know, I kinda like the old system better. The crown system is a bit odd. Lol. :)
If you haven’t seen it yet, chances are you will soon. Currently all iOS users and most Android users should have access to it.
I'm assuming the screenshots are iOS screenshots. What should the update look like on Android? (I haven't gotten it yet.)
Looks aside, the changes I've seen made Duolingo slightly more difficult to use. When it comes to the graphics, I preferred the earlier version, but the change in those is largely irrelevant to my use of DL.
The larger font size is helpful, but the larger text tokens overlap each other on some questions. Also, not being able to move the notification after clicking Check makes it difficult to review an incorrect answer. And how is progress measured - by levels or by crowns? Levels for points obtained (to include points in language chat, I'm guessing) and crowns simply for lessons completed? Is DL keeping both measures?
A dev said this in response to a similar question in the Leaderboards announcement thread:
Combo bonus was removed for other reasons related to the redesign and we are hoping to bring it back. Currently we're trying to find a clear design for it & hopefully bring it to all three platforms.
Owl 2012 was the best, 2021 will be only a green rectangle with a yellow point.
The update for rid of nearly all my achievements despite having got to level 5 on over 20 topics. I'm back to square one. And I am having to pay 20 lingots to take a level test (why does my wife only pay 5?) so I can't easily get back to where I was.
Hello Duolingo team, I really hope, that you change some Things back! I don't like the new Upgrade. Not only that it looks now more like an Kids-App, the new circle where you can see your Daily Goal is now all same coloured. And if you are good in one topic and you want to skip it, you gain only 20 XP, not 10 XP per Lesson. I understand, that it is meant to give new enthusiasm, but maybe you should have changed not so much.
Just got the update on the browser version and it looks so much worse than the previous version. It all has a very childish feel to it and just don't like the look of it at all. Also, the icons for the skills are awful. How did your team spend so long to design worse icons. In addition, a lot of the icons are reused heavily down the tree, for example, all 'people' 'cases' and 'pronouns' skills ALL have the same awful icon, whereas there was a wider range of icons previous to this update. This change makes the tree look worse as you move down it. Furthermore, a lot of the icons make no sense now! Why is the icon for adjectives a hand? And money some weird chef hat? And both the body and future perfect skills are both a bike now!? Please could you consider reverting the changes that you have made to the UI, or correcting some of the aspects of the redesign i mentioned or simply allow an option to choose which UI you want, the new or (much better old)
This new design is soooooooooooooooooooo much worst than the previous one. It's harder to read, childish, unpleasant. Don't waste time and money making things worst! And please rethink your priorities: why not work on improving the relevance of the sentences? or improving the reviewing function (which is terrible, always going back to the very basics, rather than following through all subjects covered). I don't expect you'll revert back, but at least let us opt for the 2014 Duolingo look please!
While I prefer many of the features of the older layout, I can adapt to most of the changes.
The brightness, however, is painful and is limiting how much time I can spend practicing. Looking at the side by side layouts, I think this could be helped a lot if you would just change the background color back. Apparently it was a light gray, but it was so faint that I had always thought it was white.
Although I only recently discovered Duo, I loved it and was eagerly recommending it to others. Now I can barely use it myself.
i loved the default 2014 apppeareance. It is familiar like home. I still like the default apppearence now!!
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The colors and the words really make Duolingo look and feel more EXCITING!
I've only started using Duolingo recently and am surprised at how good it feels and looks.
Maybe adding a button that repeats the sentences continuously after you have submitted the lesson, for ALL lessons, until you press the continue button might be a good idea.
This repeat the sentence button could be placed next to the continue button.
That way you could listen to it continuously until you feel confident it is in your head before going onto the next lesson.
You don't need to do that, it will repeat later several times and that gives your brain time to digest it. The whole thing is based on spaced repetition. And you are not trying to learn the individual sentences, the idea is to understand how the sentences work and soon you will be able to just make up your own on the fly. You didn't learn to speak english or whatever your native tongue is by memorizing expressions and sentences. You learned the whole language.
Hugh, you are wrong.
You DID learn your mother tongue a phrase at a time. First short phrases. Then longer ones. Then threading them together to make longer ones, with "ands" and "ifs" and "buts." You did not notice the process? Well, you should have. Seriously.
Maybe adding a button that repeats the sentences continuously after you have submitted the lesson
This is a nice idea but it is quite specific to be useful for wider audience. You can copy/paste your phrases to Google Translate and make it read them for you.
Change remains difficult. You can never please everyone. As long as I can remain studying my languages, I really do not care.
breathes deeply Remember Mira, you gave up being mad for the sake of being mad for the Christmas Season... breathes I love the new design! I actually, really, truly do. The thing I wish is that the Health would just. go. away. It's horrible. Truly.
But I love the new design-- other than the lack of scarves :(
WHAT IS THIS DUOLINGO??????!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE THIS STUPID REDESIGN!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHANGE IT BACK!!!!!!!........ NOW.
Duolingo is for learning, not looks. So think, this is no reason to be mad and hate Duolingo, you should actually be rejoicing because you get to learns language for FREE
I see a lot of negative comments indicating people don't like the update. But I really like the update and appreciate some of the changes. I never use the website, just the iOS app (and only for Esperanto) and I think an update to the app was needed. I can't speak to the website though. Is the app perfect? No, but it was beginning to feel tired. I just want to post that I do like the updates given so many comments about not liking it.
I really like the new design, including the font and images, which are much crisper. The scarfless golden owl is not an improvement, however. Overall, well done!
Use the mobile app & set the XP to minimum (so completing one lesson with 10 XP will be enough):
Get a local SIM card pre-paid or 'pay as you go' type (personally I recommend GiffGaff if going anywhere in Europe- they ship the SIM card anywhere in the world by mail- so it takes time to arrive). https://www.giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/einat162
Free hotspots - like coffee shops, food stores (....MacDonalds....), some hotels have free WiFi in their lobbies.
You could use the streak freeze- but I hate counting on these things, I have one stocked for 1 day of inactivity (you can only have one equipped at a time for usage). There's also the 'weekend emulate' which appears in the store every weekend (so...Friday to Sunday once equipped ? ).
One more tip... if you are a new learner and completing a lesson a day is taking too long, you can add your native language tree or any other you are fluent in and do a lesson in that (I know it's a bit of cheating but...).
I like the overall aesthetic in some ways, but I felt a lot of the graphics for the previous design--especially Duo himself (itself? themself?) were cuter and more engaging. (New Duo is... a bit creepy, tbh.)
I think the typography is a step in the right direction, although there could still be more distinction between I / l.
And yeah, the golden owls need their flag scarves back.
I wasn’t going to comment, but the update doesn’t seem to have the ‘tips’ for each lesson. I normally use the website, however, so I don’t know if they were part of the app before this update, but I found them very helpful and relied on them quite a bit.
(Also, I read the other comments, and while it can be annoying, I really don’t mind the Health System. The app should be able to make money somehow - again, this might be because I use the site more often.)
I'm supportive of the changes! Thanks for working hard to teach me. That's really what matters and that's why we are all here. It's exciting to see how engaged people are in their comments - positive and negative. Hopefully learning a new language will help people to reach out to those who are "different" than themselves. Education matters. Let's all keep growing! HARMONY!
Hi, I just wanted to say how much I love the new Owl. It's supercute and optimistic and I can't help smiling every time I see it. I hope this comment somehow gets to the artist who drew it: thank you, I think you are such a nice human being.:)
I'm glad you guys are moving forward! Myself, I am partial to the redesign. However, one thing I am not enjoying about it is the font. It's a little too skinny. I am enjoying the cute drawings and the colors, though! I think it is all just a part of the process of evolving the app, which has need a major redesign for a while. Looking forward to the next Duo-volution on the website! And it's strange how people are saying it is "childish". I myself am intending to stay and act like a child as long as possible! Just have to keep my head about me, I suppose. I'm only 15, of course, so I guess we will see what will happen in the future! Hopefully I live in Amsterdam by then :) Spreek je Nederlands? Ik spreek en beetje.
Very helpful I've never seen the original logo and the updates are really nice!
I love love love the illustrations. Very cohesive across the platform and very unique. Props to the graphic artist!
At first when I saw the redesign, I thought Duo was angry or something. But now I realized it is quite a new style, even though I think the 2014 Duo looks more calm
I am looking forward to this inprovment hopfully makesmy exprence better
I think it is cute. And adults shouldn't mind it being kind of childish, i mean everyone was a child once right?(at least i don't know anyone alive who wasn't a child, if you weren't let me know :)) Plus change is a part of life.
Estas indiferente al mi.
Off the subject: I am getting the same few sentences repeatedly! Tienes alguna pregunta? quiero una botella de vino con algun queso bueno. Necesitamos algun plato de pescado. And a few others. They show up constantly! It's driving me nuts. The graphics are fine. I love it all. Just quit the repetitive sentences. I am getting sick of wine, cheese and having any questions.
In a couple of months - presumming I can continue using Duo - someone will find me curled up in a corner, rocking back and forth, repeating "Ydy hi wedi gwisgo'r siwt newydd eto". It's less learning and more brain washing at this point ;)
THIS REDESIGN LOOKS AWESOME!!!! Unfortunately, I don't do duolingo on my phone often...
I really don't understand how a simple design change to a mascot of a website is causing this much of a stir. The more important concern should be content based. As long as the website and app are still functional and accessible, it should be fine. I think it looks fine. Maybe not an upgrade, but it's still a green owl.
The problem is it is not working. The font is too small to read and the animation wastes time and bandwidth.
But a lot of the concern is actually about functionality and accessibility.
I like the new look of Duolingo, including the pictures. Mostly things work, although sometimes the audio doesn't work first time. Mainly it's a connection problem and nothing else.
it is not a connection problem...speaking as an IT person, the new design is very nice but loaded...it needs a lot of resources and crashes, or just hangs. Our "15 min" became 45!!! and not fun anymore.
Yes. Exactly this. A day's lessons (less than a year ago) used to take me 15-20 minutes. Now, it's an hour plus, and most of that is either spent (a) waiting for lessons to load, or (b) repeating lessons you've already done, but don't get credit for and have to do over. All the fun has drained out of it.
Based on what I'm reading here from programmers, this all seems to be down to the "improved" graphics. Design improvement is not an improvement when it hinders function.
I am looking forward to exploring all the new changes and additions in the near future. Thanks
I'm yet to receive the update and the new look. In my opinion, the cuteness quotient of our dear Duo has increased by a great extent. Change is good even if it feels uncomfortable at first.
What I'm annoyed about is that friends use Duolingo on their smartphones and get vastly more XP than me... I am a competitive person and I love doing Duolingo with and against friends... but as I have no smartphone I have to do roughly double the lessons to get to the same amount of XP... Not sure if that is wanted...
It is still a valid point though. If Duo wants to incentivize competitive learning, I for one feel like it should play fair. Both versions are very different, and that's good, but in terms of one being better for gaining XP (the sole stat to compare between "players") this is not viable.
That said, Duo isn't meant to be a truly competitive platform. You have no idea the degrees game platforms have to go to in order to make sure it's fair. Think of competitive Duolingo as more of an afterthought than a feature.