https://www.duolingo.com/spottyhorse

Completing trees: how do you do it?

Do you complete a tree at level 1, then go back and get the higher levels? Do you go for a Golden Tree straightaway? Something else?

I've been getting to level 3 in about 5 skills, then going back over them to reach level 5, before moving onto another group of 5. I'm a newbie, though, so would be very interested to see what works best for you!

2 weeks ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/XD29
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Depends on the language really, if I have prior knowledge I try to test out as far as possible.

If it's a language that seems "easy" I tend to rush more to get to the end of the tree, and then go over it again at a later pint.

If it's a language that I struggle more with, I go over the Basics more often, and get them to a comparatively high crown level, before moving further on.

2 weeks ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spottyhorse

Thank you, XD29.

Your profile has rendered me speechless (not a good state to be in when you're trying to learn a language …) So many languages at such a high level! How many hours' study does that represent?

I have such a long way to go.

2 weeks ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Beau861
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I started Duo just about three years ago with the Russian tree. They didn't have the crown system back then, the skills would go gold when you completed them on the first go-through and then would start to "decay" so to speak and change color, making you "refresh" them back to gold. I don't remember having much of a system at first, but just kind of tried to keep things gold while also doing enough new lessons here and there to make progress down the tree.

With the crown system in place, I've become a big believer of the "Waterfall" method. I bring up a certain amount of skill bubbles up to the first crown level, start over to bring them up to the second crown level and then bring the next batch up to the first crown level. Then back to the beginning, bring the first batch up to crown level three, the second batch up to crown level two, then a new batch up to crown level one. Etc, etc.

The number of skills I have each batch has varied. I started German a couple months ago and have been doing them in increments of 15, but I'm thinking that may be a bit much. So I reset my Welsh tree a few days ago and have been doing increments of 5 skills for each batch and that seems better to manage. Plus I'm coming back to the skills a bit sooner than if I did 15. I don't think it's a good idea to do either extreme of doing the entire tree up to crown level 1 and then starting over for each crown level, nor doing each skill up to 5 before moving on. A happy medium of progressing through the tree while also going back over for review I think is a good strategy.

My personal goal is getting 3 new crowns a day on weekdays and then 6 new crowns on Saturday and Sunday each. This may very well change the further down I get, but as I had previously periods of time in the last couple years making my way down the Welsh tree, it should be easy making faster progress at first as I already know some of the early parts of the tree very well. I wouldn't being going this extra mile for a completely new language.

I did the math, and with the 118 skills on the Welsh tree, that makes 590 crowns for the entire course bringing them up to 5 levels each. Doing strictly 3 crowns a day will take about 196 days (around 6 and a half months). If I can keep up with my current daily goal at least for a while, then maybe it'll be okay when I get further down if I do only 1 new crown a day, when I start bringing some of the more advanced skills up to the 4th and 5th crown.

5 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Sarah73939

I've been wondering how others approach the tree as well; I've been worried whether or not I'm using Duolingo "correctly."

I've been splitting the difference. For the most part, I complete a skill to level 2 or 3 before giving the next one a try, but most days I go over skills as opposed adding new ones. I've just reached past tense and I'm level fifteen with 90-some-odd crowns. I've no idea if that's typical or not. I do feel like I'm learning the material, though. Some days, anyway, heh. ^_^

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spottyhorse

I'm heading towards the past tense, too - just have a few more skills to level up to 5 first. I definitely feel I'm making progress and remembering the material - reviewing the skills certainly seems to help to consolidate new structures and vocab before moving onto something new.

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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I felt the same way after a year (by then I finished going throw the tree once, and had a few days of "general practices"). It only hit me how much I know and remember when starting the tree again- being able to test out very easily from the first 10 skills- 365 days ago I HAD NO KNOWLEDGE of the language, zero.

Another revelation is the club question/activity: (if you joined one) about once a day you get something like 2 random pictures and you need to write a sentence about the two, or being asked something like "practice ordering food". I used to skip those and now I am able to complete them (though every time my initial thought is still ' I can't do that ' before realizing I can).

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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When I started, it was before Duolingo switched to the crown system- so I pretty much fumble my way down the tree, completing lessons in order to finish a skill, which meant unlocking the next 2-3 that followed to work on.

After the transition, the first part of the tree translated into level 4, mid tree to levels 2 or 3, and the last part to level 1. I though it was according to how I was doing (having the first skills done multiple times- because they were easy, and the last part of the tree... I was heaving hard time with it), but the my Hebrew tree changed into the crown system about the same way.

I went over the tree again, even it up to level 3 on all skills. Now I'm doing about 10 general practises a day, and, if I feel like it trying to test out level 4+5 in each skill. If I'm having a hard time with level 4, or not managing to test out- I do 4+5 manually (very slowly).

2 weeks ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spottyhorse

Thank you, Einat162. I'm finding Welsh harder than I thought I would and I haven't even reached the last part of the tree yet!

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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Take your time with it (if you can)- it's important to keep it fun.

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larry_the_Zebra
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I found Welsh really hard at the beginning, too. I knew about 6 European languages already, but all of them were in the big families (Germanic, Romance, Slavic).

I got worried that the old Cymraeg might be too hard for me (like Russian) but I was assured by some Welsh people "it's not that it's hard, it's just different'. I found that idea really helpful. "Different, not hard".

I've started Welsh 3 times now here on Duolingo. This is my 3rd try, and it's finally starting to make sense and fall into place. They're right. The grammar isn't really hard it's just a very different way of thinking. To help yourself think differently, a lot of exposure is needed.

I've recently discovered parallel.cymru which is bi-lingual Welsh-English magazine with parallel texts. Great for reading a Welsh sentence and then checking yourself with the English translation. They also have a GREAT grammar blog that answers a lot of questions Duolingo doesn't really.

https://parallel.cymru/?lang=en

As far as the tree goes, I'd say you are doing it right. Go forward a bit until you feel your 'brain is full' and then repeat more known stuff until the new also becomes known. It's all about familiarity and exposure.:-)

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/spottyhorse

Thank you for your encouragement, Larry_the_Zebra and also for mentioning parallel.cymru. I'd be particularly interested in the grammar blog - I'm the type of learner that likes to know how and why things fit together. I'm off to explore it now!

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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Thank you for mentioning parallel ! I came across it before when I started, and was hoping to find it again.

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Larry_the_Zebra
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Croeso! It's a really great resource, isn't it? 2 years ago when I started with Welsh there didn't seem to be too much (free) material out there for learners. Now there seems to be more and more!

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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You know what, I'm not sure if that was the case- or we simply didn't look for it! I know the Welsh goverment put a lot of effort (money) into it for a few years now.

1 week ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aasnyc
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When they switched to this new system of crowns, I continued my routine of doing two (at least) lessons a day. I would get to Level 2 in each category down the entire tree before going back to the very first category and then getting to Level 3 in each one, one category at a time.

Recently, I decided to try something new and I went back to the first category and went all the way to Level 5 before moving onto the next category, again getting to Level 5 over the course of a few days (the lessons are so short and easy at this stage I can easily do 100 xp a day). This becomes super repetitive BUT I feel like it's really drilling the language into my head. I'm going to keep doing it this way and see how it goes.

3 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/aasnyc
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btw, I said "category" but I think I meant "skill" – hopefully it was clear :)

3 days ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Einat162
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I know what you mean! I've been struggling doing 40 XP a day when I first started Duolingo. Now I do 8-10 sessions (random practices button) on my way to work in the morning.

3 days ago
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