https://www.duolingo.com/ErianS

Frustrated with the grammar. :/

Poland is such a great country and culture, I love it. Yet the grammar is so hard for me to gasp. It's much easier for me to pick up new vocabulary than new grammar.

Being a native speaker of another Slavic language, I get many Polish words but we lack any cases in my language so that makes it very hard. Maybe I can find Polish pen pals somehow?

December 27, 2018

9 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/PrzemekTcz

Hi Disfrut - this is a common problem as Polish grammar is very hard. Example showing the grammar with "beer" = "piwo": In Polish equivalent piwo changes (or declines) slyly according to its grammatical context. To take just some of these cases, the straightforward ‘Lubię piwo’ (‘I like beer’) becomes ‘Nie lubię piwa’ (‘I don’t like beer’), which is different to ‘Przygladam się piwu’ (‘I’m looking [carefully] at beer’), which is also different to ‘Rozmawiam o piwie’ (‘I’m talking about beer’), which is yet again not the same as ‘Rozmawiam z piwem’ (‘I’m talking with beer’), a sentence that is probably never uttered except by an English speaker attempting to drown their sorrows at having to learn seven times the number of words they were expecting. (source: https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2016/08/04/learning-polish/)

I suggest reading that additionally: https://www.xperiencepoland.com/5-reasons-polish-language-is-hard/

Please do not listen to advice such as "Don't waste too much time on grammar" as you really need it to speak fluently or write correct sentences.

And do not worry, there are plenty of Poles that have issues with polish grammar, even though they were born and raised in PL.

If you need some advice just let me know - I am a native polish speaker :)

Regards, PT

December 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/gizzard123

Don't waste too much time on grammar. It's very difficult, even for (some) Polish people. I've got the same problem with French.

December 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/gizzard123

"Please do not listen to advice such as "Don't waste too much time on grammar" as you really need it to speak fluently or write correct sentences."

To each his own. But let me tell you that there are many methods of learning a language, so don't think that his method is the best. I did not say that you should not spend ANY time on grammar as you do need some general rules. But, don't spend too much time on it because it is boring and in the end, it will actually limit your progress and your learning (if you don't end up quitting after a couple of weeks).

I recommend you (or anybody reading this) listen to a podcast by Hugo Cotton (link below). Hugo is a French professor teaching French at a University of Warsaw in Poland. Unfortunately, the podcast is in French. So, if you understand a little bit of French please listen to it, it's worth it. If you don't speak any French at all, I will try to summarize what he's saying in one paragraph below. Here it goes.

Hugo makes references to Professor Stephen Krashen (Univ. of South California - U.S.C.) and his works on language acquisition (Language Acquisition Theory). He agrees with Krashen on some points and disagrees on others. According to him, you should learn a language in a more natural way ie. like a child learns a native language. He says that what is important is to try to communicate (even if you make mistakes) and to try to transmit a message. It is not important that you don't respect the rules of grammar. Just talk, talk, talk. According to him, if you spend time concentrating on saying things properly, with proper grammar, you'll be limiting your progress because you'll be too self-conscious about breaking grammatical rules and making mistakes. He says that to learn a foreign language you need to make mistakes, and nobody will care if you do, as long as you're trying. The person who you're talking to might not understand what you're saying (your message), so he will try to make you say it in a different way, he will help you, and through that interaction, you will learn. His conclusion is that it is not important to have a great knowledge of grammar to be able to use a language. It is important to understand first. To get there, you need to work on the language regularly or as often as possible by listening to podcasts, watching videos, reading articles in a newspaper, magazine, etc. These should always be interesting and done in an atmosphere without stress. His most important point in all this is that grammar should not be your base for learning a language.

From my past experience, I totally agree with Hugo because the other method ie. concentrating on grammar, definitely did not work for me in the past. So there you go. Use it or flush it!

Here is the link:

https://www.innerfrench.com/

December 29, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Macirrrek

Hello :) How can I help?

December 27, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/KrzysztofB595976

Sure, where are you from my friend?

December 28, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Testing_Man

May I ask what other Slavic language you speak?

Bulgarian? Macedonian?

December 31, 2018

https://www.duolingo.com/Mudkip20

I think bot gizzard123 and PrzemekTcz are correct. Learning by doing, making mistakes and having fun, as well as a sound understanding of the rules of grammar (especially to understand things in Polish! and what a feeling to get genitive plural of all genders mostly right and you notice it for the first time!), are important to master a language. The one is the recipe, the other is the meal, I would dare to say. Mam nadzieję, że macie dużo radości z uczynieniem języka polskiego!

January 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Jellei

Nice sentence! :) One thing: "z uczeniem się". That kinda looks like autocorrect got you something wrong... "uczynienie" is a relatively rare form of "make" in not-literally-making contexts like "making something easy".

January 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mudkip20

Dziękuje bardzo, Marku! :D Nie używam autokorrektu, myślałam że "uczenienie" było "verb. noun"...oczywiście miałam na myśli "uczenie się" XD

January 2, 2019
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