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"Ich erkenne dieses Hemd nicht wieder."

Translation:I do not recognize this shirt.

April 5, 2013

34 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fabio.alves2013

I agree with the fellow who says it doesn´t make sense to highlight a single word, considering it´s a part of composed verb. Besides, the reasonable explanation I found out was the following : Erkennen = Recognize smth/sby (which you don´t know yet). Wiedererkennen = Recognize smth/sby you already had a previous knowledge, even though it´s not translated literally in English.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/richardlevay

thank you for that, but i still don't get erkennen, can you give me an example of when I would use it? thanks


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/duoderSie

Ich hatte mit Angelina Jolie zwanzig Minuten lang gesprochen aber ich hatte sie gar nicht erkannt. Wie peinlich!

Ich habe Angst, dass ich meinen Neffe am Bahnhoff nicht wiedererkennen werde. Ich habe ihn nicht seit zehn Jahren getroffen.

In the second sentence we realise the speaker could at some point in the past recognise his nephew. The person who met Angelina Jolie would not have recognised herhad this happened at any time. Anyway the default is to use erkennen, just add a wieder- when there is an "any more" concept


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vindalf

Duoder, this was very helpful, thanks


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Paulx589

Thank you for the informational reply! What other programs or methods do you use to help you learn German?

Thanks!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Luchtmens

Great explanation. But it is "meinen Neffen", as Neffe is a weak noun: it receives an -(e)n in the plural and the singular forms (except for NOM sing.).


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Cecilia5678

This is all well and good, but since the given sentence is a negation, it makes no sense (to me) to use the wiedererkennen form.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/bmwx11

I put exactly this, but added "again" at the end because of wieder. Why is that wrong and what is wieder doing there then?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/-Herbstzeitlose-

It's a split verb. wiedererkennen = to recognize


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BB__

But what's the difference between erkennen and wiedererkennen, don't both mean recognize?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/angiedaytripper

Wiederkennen is more like 'recall'


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FatAlan

I do not recall this shirt is not accepted.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/c.matieshin

I second this, what is the difference between these two verbs?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/duoderSie

Thanks. Because "Wieder" alone is highlighted as a new word it obscures the fact that it's a prefix to wiedererkennen


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Symph0nee

Yes, but shouldn't nicht go after erkenne to really be 'not recognize'? Having nicht after Hemd is odd and puts emphasis on the shirt, does it not?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HelcioTJ

I believe the opposite of what you are thinking is what really happens in German. (It seems that only the verb "sein", "to be", follows the logic by which the negation particle is attached to the verb.)

If you say "Ich mag nicht dieses Hemd" you are emphasizing the last part of the sentence ("I don't like THIS shirt, can't you see which one? Are you blind?")

However, I am not a native German speaker. That's only what I think at the moment. :-D


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/roy00016

An (accepted) English translation which contains the sense of having once recognized the shirt is: "I no longer recognize this shirt."


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FatAlan

I just tried this exact phrase and it was not accepted 'I no longer recognize this shirt'.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Wicked_Starfish

From the comments, I understand that wieder is part of erkenne. However, usually when DL introduces split verbs they mention it in the drop-down translation of the word (as erkenne...wieder). It didn't do so this time and I think that's where everyone's confusion stems from. Is it similar to "could have recognized" or am I way off?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Predator01

I wrote:I do not recognize this shirt AGAIN. And it's wrong!


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/masovnasarana

I don't recognize this shirt anymore

That worked for me. So I recognize it in some point of time, but not anymore. That's how i get it erkenne + wieder


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jaime1989

Where did "wieder" go


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/lewisjcranston16

'I dont recongize this shirt again'? Warum nicht, ich denke das ist richtig


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SuKh0mOy

What's the use of 'wieder' here? Since it has no role to play in this sentence.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/duoderSie

the verb is wiedererkennen and is seperable so wieder must go to the end of the sentence.

It means "to recognise again" as in "would you recognise the pickpocket again"


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/star196

I answered "I recognize this shirt no longer" which is just an inversion of "I no longer recognize this shirt" and it was marked wrong. Would my answer make sense here?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/larryolivo

Duolingo translate "weider" as "again" but now defines it as anymore. It makes sense in the context but it would be helpful to have fuller defintions of new words.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SuhasG

The audio for the word 'Wieder' is almost unrecognisable.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ShlomoRosen

What about "wieder". Should we ignore this word?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ginagillen

why do we need wieder in this sentence?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Viacheslav328183

Warum it is wrong "I do not recognize this shirt AGAIN". ?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/spacer5

Doesn't this sentence really mean "I no longer recognize this shirt" because of "wieder"?


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DT92024

I'm not sure how to describe a situation where I don't recognize something that I have never seen before.

Differentiating erkennen vs wiedererkennen is not an A-1 German learning topic IMO.

I choose to think about it as recognize vs. recall. Duolingo's use of the word "recognize" is this sentence seems incorrect. If Duo wants to introduce words with a subtle meaning, it's best that Duo understand what they are teaching.

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