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El lápiz negro escribe...

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I just found this sentence here el lápiz ne gro escribe mejor que el azul... Well if we say that in real life, pencils don't write by themselves, shoes don't walk by themselves, etc., better say something like this:

Con el lápiz ne gro se escribe mejor que con el azul.

Con los zapatos viejos se camina mejor que con los nuevos.

It's hilarious thinking about saying Los zapatos viejos caminan mejor que los nuevos.

1 month ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Chilotin
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The pencil sentence is totally normal in Chile. "Ese lápiz no escribe bien", "Ese horno cocina bien", "Ese taladro trabaja bien".

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/ProfesorAntonnio
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Thanks for your comment, I will extend my point of view :)

In Mexico everybody says that el lápiz escribe but again nobody would say esos zapatos caminan bien or esas gafas miran bien... Instead, we'd say con estos zapatos se camina bien, con estas gafas se mira bien. Certainly there are other objects that work as you mentioned: esta computadora trabaja bien, esta lavadora lava bien but somehow they are machines that have their own mechanisms for doing the job and a single pencil needs all the time somebody to move it to create a writing.

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https://www.duolingo.com/Chilotin
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I suspect it is transitivity: "Esos calcetines abrigan bien" but not "Esos lentes ven bien".

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pen to writing is not really what shoes are to walking. you primarily write with a pen or pencil. Without a pen or pencil you will have difficulty writing on paper. However, you can walk just fine without shoes.

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https://www.duolingo.com/MatthewGBr1
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You have two pencils, either the old fashioned wooden kind or the mechanical kind. There is something wrong with one of them. The lead is crumbly in one, or it has hard intrusions in it. What results when writing with one is much better than the result of writing with the other. I would find it perfectly acceptable for a US speaker to say "The black pencil writes better than the blue one." I would say it. Most people I know would say it. Of course, I am from the US and we say all kinds of strange things. Listen to the first verse of "Joy to the world" by Hoyt Axton.

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https://www.duolingo.com/ProfesorAntonnio
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It's exactly the same thing in Spanish but people often don't stop to analyze what they say. As an analogy would you say the old shoes walk better than the new ones?

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In Spanish and English, of course it sounds weird. In German and French, however, it might sound normal, because in those languages to say that something "walks" is to say that it is functioning well. :)

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But it does not sound weird to me.
This pen writes well. Fine.
This shoe walks well. Weird.
This pot cooks well. So so, but I am sure it is said.
This sweater wears well. That is definitely used and has a specific meaning.
That bell rings loudly. Fine.
This car drives well. Also fine.
That pot cooks well. Not so sure about that one.

It all depends on what you are used to hearing.

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:)

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No. Colloquial speech does not make sense. Pens and pencils can write in English but shoes only cover your feet.

1 month ago

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Well, shoes don't walk but a pencil definitely writes. My running shoes don't run, so I don't say "mis tenis corren bien"; but a car runs; therefore I say, "este carro corre rápido". May be that is not grammatically correct but it is common everyday talk.

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El lapiz ❤❤❤❤❤ escribe mejor que el azul, Con el lápiz ❤❤❤❤❤ se escribe mejor que con el azul is the same in spanish sound perfect

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