LATIN (for English) in the Incubator!
Happy New Year to All and to All a Great Next Year!!!
There is space for it in the incubators but no one to implement the course yet.
It is good to have Latin here since it is the originator of the alphabet we use. I hope for more new courses this year.
That is awesome.
I hope they will use classical rather than ecclestical pronunciation.
As someone who uses Latin in my professional work, I have to say I hope that the ecclesiastical pronunciation is used. For students of philosophy and theology, Catholic or no, it makes the most sense and is more widely used... and sung! My apologies to classicists.
As someone with a background in linguistics I have to say that using the ecclesiastical pronunciation would be the worst thing. :P
If you know the classical pronunciation you can immediately construct the ecclesiastical pronunciation. If you only know the ecclesiastical pronunciation you'll have to learn the whole language again if you want the other one.
I'm just stunned and amazed after all the whining for Latin that there are now people bickering about pronunciation. I learned it in college and assume that was Classical, but I'm just glad we are getting Latin so I can try to relearn what I learned back in college.
Classical pronunciation is so ugly... I strongly encourage ecclesiastical pronunciation (and I'm not Catholic).
Ecclesiastical pronunciation is the only form of Latin that is still used and has an unbroken oral use from classical times. You can go hear it any time you like. Seems more "real" to me.
What about Vulgar Latin? It seems closer to other Romance languages allowing more connections with them
Ecclesiastical pronunciation is too much like modern Italian. It is a transitional form which is not real Latin. Classical pronunciation is the original and the best.
Ecclesiastical pronunciation is more natural than classical one. Besides that, Latin from priests is older, Classical pronunciation is just a restoration attempt. I speak a romance language and I don't believe Latin is according to academic studies as regards to phonology.
I'm not catholic.
"I don't believe it" Cite what exactly you disagree with. I'm fairly sure [k] for ce and ci for example was indeed a given.
Seems like the position of someone who doesn't know a lot about the matter. Otherwise you could have given a few examples.
This is the best news on Duolingo of the year so far.
I hope it gets released this year along with Arabic.
I'm more excited about Latin than I have been about any of the courses that have been added recently. Latin is the basis for the romance languages. I took it in college, but my Latin is seriously rusty to the point that I can barely follow Mass when I attend an Renaissance Fair. I'm looking forward to Latin.
So awesome! Always wanted to learn Latin but sadly haven't seen it here yet... hope it'll change soon!
I think that ecclesiastical and classic pronunciations should be able to listen to both pronunciations for each word
Yes, I agree. I personally want to learn classic, but I don't think it should be at the expense of one another. Maybe there should be lessons and descriptions still teaching the differences, but the main course should be switchable between pronunciations to please both sides.
The thing is: Classical pronunciation wouldn't be at the expense of the other because you can easily construct the ecclesiastical pronunciation. If you only know the ecclesiastical pronunciation, though, you'd have to learn every word again if you want to learn the classical pronunciation.
And Duolingo have never given us these kinds of options.
Why you have to learn every word again in the eccles. -> class. direction, and not in the other one?
I see quite a divergence of opinion regarding academic vs church Latin. I see and hear far more of the classic/academic latin and would prefer to learn that. I acknowledge that others have a different experience though. Since it’s only the spoken part that differs, would it be possible to have the option Duolingo?
I swear I'd give all my lingots to those wonderful souls contributing to the Latin course, in case it might be some sort of way to "repay" them for the work they're putting in to this. I'm very excited!
Yay!!! I hope it's a good tree and not lazily put together. Some of our other surprises haven't been too great :P
Looking forward to Latin! Also, I'm putting my vote in for a Church Latin option.
Edit: Could we have Church Latin lessons available for purchase with Lingots?
Are you talking about a Roman Catholic, Traditional Latin Mass? Good idea! I'm Catholic and would be very interested in that.
may I suggest a red background with a golden eagle (extended wings) surrounded by a laurel crown and (maybe) also the S.P.Q.R. motto? Thank you (gratias tibi ago) for reading
There are a bunch of retired Roman Catholic priests who would probably help, not to mention the non-retired ones in groups like the FSSP. Don't know how many of them know Latin beyond the Mass though...
Is Ecclesiastical Latin the only version that is spoken atm? I wonder is this course that type? I am not sure and was just wondering.
I can hardly wait! I have been looking for a Latin course and love Duolingo.
I haven't been on Duolingo for a while and just found out that Latin is finally in the incubator. Awesome! That's really good news. I can't wait to sign up for this course and I hope it will be launched in September as anounced.
❤️❤️❤️ I learned Latin in high school but have long forgotten it. Been hoping for a Latin course on Duo. Yay!
Hopefully there'll be a Classical option, since I doubt the course is being made in Classical pronunciation. If I'm going to learn Latin, it's going to be as a student of history. It's a way of bringing this distant and long-gone group of people closer, to make them more tangible. I understand most people don't feel the same way and Ecclesiastical is more useful generally. But I want to be able to read Virgil the way people of his time would have, and to hear the extinct voices of a bygone era.
I'm just so happy this is finally happening at all. The pronunciation debates are what prevented Latin from being added to the incubator for years.
We read Virgil (and Caesar) in my high school Latin class (back in the 80s), and I really enjoyed it. Classical was what we learned, as it was true Latin; I never recalled anyone ever even discussing Ecclesiastical pronunciation at the time.
When approximately it would be ready to learn? I was so excited i changed my name for more Latin one. What type of Latin would it be by the way? Vulgar, Ecclesiestal, Classical (thats the hardest one)
Putting in my vote for Ecclesiastical pronunciation! :) I can understand that some might prefer classical, but to me, it makes the most sense to use Ecclesiastical, since the only day-to-day usage of the Latin language is in the traditional Catholic liturgy (which I attend regularly). I'd love to continue my studies in Latin without having to learn a whole new pronunciation system!
Thanks for taking this under consideration! I can't wait for this to be released in September!
Was very happy to see that Latin is now in the incubator. Personally I don't care whether the pronunciation is Classical or Ecclesiastical. As long as I can read it and gain a deep understanding of Latin root-words then I will be satisfied. I just hope that I don't get it mixed up with Spanish as I am learning it as well.
Wow, estimated for a whole year's work. I didn't think it would be that hard for a language like Latin. There's no contributors yet, either. This is most surprising.
- It is 2019 already :) The incubator thinks it's ready to be released because there are no uncompleted words, and doesn't realise that there are no completed words either.
- Considering how fast other recent courses have progressed, I would be surprised if it takes less than a year to complete.
Correct. Navajo, along with Hawaiian, were some kind of school projects and were released with 9 and 10 skills respectively. Multiply those with six and we are talking about a normal tree that takes a year to complete.
And that's quick when we look at the other volunteer made courses started in 2016 or after:
- Arabic (14 months and counting)
- Esperanto for Portuguese (14 months)
- Russian for Spanish (15 months)
- Haitian Creole (23 months and counting)
- English for Punjabi (25 months and counting)
- High Valyrian (8 months)
- Spanish for Arabic and English for Tagalog (28 months and counting)
- English for Telugu (29 months and counting)
- English for Bengali and Tamil (31 months and counting
- Korean (20 months).
Chinese, Japanese and the courses for Chinese were faster but they were at least partly built by staff. So unless Latin has the same advantage, we likely won't see Latin become available in this decade.
Their prediction that it will be released in September seems to be realistic based on the weekly incubator summaries...
I don't know the details, but for that one I think they worked with an organization dedicated to preserving the Navajo culture. In that case while having a bunch of dedicated contributors on board it's not really surprising they finished the course so fast.