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Use of zijn for location of objects?

I thought I was getting the hang of using verbs like staan, zitten, leggen for the position of inanimate objects (as described in the grammar notes, etc).

But one of the sentences in the Places skill is:

"het restaurant en het huis zijn bij het strand"

If you use 'staan' instead you get it wrong. Why is this? Does this seem like a natural expression and is it an exception for some reason?

1 month ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/MichielJansen7

Hmmm that's a good question. If I were your teacher I would count 'staan' as in 'Het restaurant en het huis staan bij het strand' correctly. In my daily sentences I also use 'staan' for these kinds of things. So for me it is natural, but it could be that I'm still doing it wrong then :) I'm Dutch by the way

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/weerwater
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This specific exercise (click here) deals more with a ''direction".
The both "are (to be found) near the beach". This situation is not mentioned in the Grammar guidelines. There's a difference: Het restaurant en het huis zijn bij (te vinden in de buurt van/gelegen aan) het strand. Not exact enough to pinpoint a place by using "staan". Hope this makes sence to you too.
I believe there's a similar exercise where 'A supermarket is in the neighborhood'.
And yes, I'm a Zeeuw, so I know about houses near the beach ;-).

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/frankpennycook

Thanks everyone for the replies. Yes, weerwater, I think I get what you are suggesting. Perhaps when I am far from the beach asking for directions, someone could tell me "Het restaurant is bij het strand".

But if I wanted more accurate information about it (whether it looked over the sea or the golf course, for example), I might ask, "Staat het restaurant naast het strand?". Or something like that?

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/weerwater
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Something like that, yes. In such a context you would preferably use 'staan' indeed. But because a beach in most cases will cover quite a large area, 'naast' cannot be used. "Staat het restaurant aan het strand?" or "Staat het restaurant bij het strand?" would both be proper grammar. You could use 'naast' in a different way: "Staat het restaurant naast dat huis aan het strand?". 'Naast' needs a well defined object to stand next to.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Ernst557459

As a native Dutch speaker (ABN), I would never say het restaurant en het huis zijn bij het strand!!. Instead I would use one of these, all of which convey more or less the same message:

het restaurant en het huis staan bij het strand

het restaurant en het huis staan aan het strand

and even

het restaurant en het huis liggen bij het strand

het restaurant en het huis liggen aan het strand

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Duvelleke
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Volledig mee eens. Misschien zou deze ook wel kunnen als je het woord 'staat' wil gebruiken. Mijn huis staat aan de rand van de stad.

1 month ago

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That never is too much. You can apply all, but only in context. You are putting them 'on location' In this exercise I read an 'orientation' where something can be, not a pinpointed location where something would stand.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Beyza674585

I am not Dutch and I dont speak Dutch fluently. However, I learnt German for a long time and there was something similar in German as well. As I can relate, you could use "staan" stand for some specific objects. Perhaps, this is the reason. It is just my naive guess :)

1 month ago
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