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German - Can the 'Tips and notes' be wrong? 'Personal Pronouns in the Dative Case' - possible typo.

I understand that many people used the German course before me and although not all of them but still many read the grammar explanations. So I am not 100% sure I am right but although hesitant I think there is a mistake in the grammar explanation for ‘Personal Pronouns in the Dative Case’. German cases are the most difficult part of German for me so I read the tips very carefully. There is a tip that says: “In the third person, the endings are the same as for the articles: -m, -r, -n. However, plural dative is "ihnen" (not ihn, as you might expect).” Is that correct? I thought for Dative Case in the third person the endings for articles are –m, -r, -m, as it is the same for der and das, and both is dem. Is it possible that I am right and no one before noticed that mistake?

1 week ago

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You are right for the singular, but the T&N article talks about the plural.

However, plural dative is "ihnen" (not ihn, as you might expect).”

Examples:

Da ist der Mann. Ich gebe ihm das Glas.

Da ist die Frau. Ich gebe ihr das Glas.

Da ist das Kind. Ich gebe ihm das Glas.

(All of them singular)

Da sind die Männer. Ich gebe ihnen das Glas.

Da sind die Frauen. Ich gebe ihnen das Glas.

Da sind die Kinder. Ich gebe ihnen das Glas.

1 week ago

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Thanks. So anyway "In the third person, the endings are the same as for the articles: -m, -r, -n." is wrong, right? It should be: "[...] articles: -m, -r, -m." It looks like just a typo but it makes a difference in German, where you must be so careful with the endings. Even without it I fell my head can explode with German cases.

1 week ago

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Oh, you referred to the first part! Sorry for my misunderstanding. Yes, "mrm", as shown in my examples. Well spotted!

1 week ago

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Well, I think the "-m, -r, -n" is not meant to list only the singular forms (which indeed are "-m, -r, -m"), but all possible forms (two in the singular and one in the plural), collapsing the two singular "-m's" into one (in the table to the left it says er/es/sie and not the usual order er/sie/es for exactly the same reason that masculine and neuter forms are identical).
This representation might cause some trouble, but is nevertheless correct.

6 days ago

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I think this is what is meant (the -n is for the plural pronoun / article):

Article Pronoun
singular masculine, neuter dem ihm
singular feminine der ihr
plural den ihnen

So in the third person, the endings for the pronouns are the same as for the articles.

1 week ago

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thanks for the tips

5 days ago
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