https://www.duolingo.com/TonyElPescador

Bloomberg - Duolingo.

Un articulo desde Bloomberg acerca Duolingo.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-03/addiction-to-a-language-learning-app-can-be-good-for-you

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English for Spanish speakers 27.1m Spanish for English speakers 21.3m ==

"Only about a quarter of Duolingo users finish the courses they start."

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Mi pregunta:

Cuantos personas - la cantidad total - han terminado el árbol de oro en español?

1 month ago

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https://www.duolingo.com/Jack668872
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ElPescador,

Your posts and comments are much appreciated. Thank you! A lingot for you sir!

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/compsognathus
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Yes! I saw this.

And I recently saw a post summing up the percentages of people that finish each course. Spanish was at the bottom (around .015 % I think, although most of the courses were not to far off from that number) because Spanish is a very popular language to learn, and many people start, and either don't finish and give up or move their learning somewhere else.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TonyElPescador

Gracias @compsognathus

Aqui es un grafico desde el aprendiendo de espanol de ingles desde el duome.com site.

En:

http://www.catskillmountainflies.com/012219.png

Es sorpendiendo que solo 10,383 estudients son en este clase popular y de eso solo 201 arbols de oro ha sido gano.

TR/ Catskills

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/compsognathus
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Wow! Eso es sorprendente. ¡Esperamos que más gente comience y termine el curso! :)

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TonyElPescador

Here are the figures.

Of 10,838 students in the ES/EN duome.com stats, ONLY 201 have completed the tree to gold L5 -- or about 1.8% of the total duome roster.

ALSO many first time / enrollees -- 'students' (21,300,000) who begin the Spanish instruction for English native speakers never even make it into the duome roster of 10,838 students.

Thus 21,300,000 first time students -- {source: duolingo} / 10,838 duome roster students = 0.05% - a trace which is a huge dropout rate.

TR Catskills

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EseEmeErre
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I wouldn't call it a drop out rate, huge or otherwise. Duome is a 3rd party web site that is unaffiliated with Duolingo. It's only used by the (relatively) few users who actively choose to use that site. A small minority of Duo users use the web version. An even smaller portion of those users actively use the forums where they might stumble upon a post referring them to Duome, which they may or may not follow. It's not at all surprising that Duome users represent a nearly insignificant portion of Duolingo's users.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EseEmeErre
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@TonyElPescador - Your understanding of how user information is included on Duome is incorrect, and therefore the conclusions you've reached are wrong. Profiles are not automatically included on Duome when they reach some threshhold. They even say so on their FAQ page.

How do I get listed? Anyone with a 100+ days active or lost streak may get listed by looking up their username, like this: duome.eu/johnarnold

Their system is purely opt-in, and therefore, as I said elsewhere, makes for an apples-to-oranges comparison.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TonyElPescador

That's exactly what it is.

A dropout rate which is pretty significant.

Less than a tenth of one percent remain to finish the tree.

You have the stats from duolingo from the Bloomberg article.

You also have the numbers from duome.

Regardless whether duome is a third party, it receives live data and feeds from dulongo servers.

There is no difference in mobile or web data feeds to duome.

Once you register through duolingo achieve the baseline for duome inclusion - it's there friend.

Re-read the numbers who enroll.

Then re-read the numbers who actually finish.

Then watch Luis talk on TEDex about his venture about health clubs.

Health clubs get their money upfront from customers and guess what?

Most never go to the health club after the first few visits.

The same business model applies.

Hasta luego. TR / Catskills

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/EseEmeErre
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Once you register through duolingo achieve the baseline for duome inclusion - it's there friend.

Duome does not receive live updates from Duolingo. When you visit duome and look at your own (or another user's) info, it retrieves the publicly available JSON that duo's API exposes, and uses that to build its numbers. Profiles are only added to their lists when those profiles are looked up on Duome, at which point they are added to lists like streak, crown or golden owl halls of fame. Once added to the lists, Duome periodically retrieves those users' data to update standings. Duome does not have ANY information for accounts that don't visit it.

That's exactly what it is.

But it's not comparing like numbers. Duome's counts do not include all of Duolingo's learners. It's like stating that the percentage of university students that do not join their alumni association is the drop out rate, rather than it actually being the percentage of students who begin classes but never graduate. Apples and oranges.

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/TonyElPescador

In fact, it's worse since duome doesn't include all of the enrollees since one of the criteria for inclusion is a 100 day streak along with other parameters.

However, IF you were to continue to try to finish the tree, you would (by default) be on duome since it would take you obviously more than 100 days to make your tree L5 gold.

As I said, it's a lousy dropout rate.

  1. People lose interest.
  2. People find language 'hard'.
  3. People thought it would be make you versant in a short period of time.

Pick 'em.

Big drop out rate.

It doesn't matter for any upcoming 2020 IPO since the idea is get you into the tent to see the show. Brother, whether you stay or not -- well, that's up to you.

Adios. TR / Catskills

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Thomas.Heiss
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duome.eu, not .com

1 month ago

https://www.duolingo.com/Jose629597

I thought the second to last paragraph was interesting:

"Critics say the app’s cheerfully childlike design and bite-size lessons aren’t the stuff of serious learning. 'I’ve used it and worked with app users, and it didn’t really make them fluent', says Kerstin Cable, a Canterbury, England-based language tutor and self-proclaimed 'Duo skeptic.'"

I certainly don't expect duolingo to turn me into a fluent spanish speaker. I think the goal is to be proficient by the end of maxing out a language. As quoted, it is a straw-man argument. I've never heard duolingo say it would make me fluent....

1 month ago
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