Some of this is really ridiculous...
How many times should I have to prove I know how to say "America" in Japanese? It asks me like 20 times back to back...
Just wait until you get to Time 1 ... or as I like to call it Zero Zero Zero Zero Zero.
Some of the lessons are bugged and give you too many repeat questions. If you are using the app, you can sometimes fix it by restarting or reinstalling the app. Otherwise, just move on to the next skill and hope that one is better.
I'd also personally suggest that you ignore the Crown levels. They do not unlock enough new content to justify repeating the same lesson twelve times. I repeat lessons when I feel like reviewing the material, but I do not bother reading Crown level 5 on each skill. It isn't necessary and I have a low tolerance for repeating the same questions again and again when I could be learning new things.
Agreed. It is my opinion that when going through the tree, you should do only one skill at a time just to unlock the next skill(s), and then progress with these new unlocked ones.
The first pass through the tree should get you to:
- finishing all the skills,
- finishing all the lessons,
- seeing every word available.
In the next pass you should make your tree gold. (Use duome to see which skills require practise to make them gold.)
Then you should start with the next pass(es) though the tree, while keeping the skills gold all the time.
It's a waste of time, again in my opinion, to get five crowns on, let's say "Hiragana 1", and not starting "Hiragana 2" when it is already unlocked.
I think a first pass done so quickly would generally only be suitable for someone with a reasonable background in Japanese. Someone just starting out likely wouldn't be able to retain much.
It depends on the person and if you are using other resources to get more exposure to Japanese.
If you are completely new to the language, DuoLingo is not the best choice, regardless. It doesn't explain new concepts very well, especially for a language like Japanese. I don't recommend it as a stand-alone product. You will be much better off if you expand your studies.
I'm sure it gets easier to retain new Japanese content as one progresses. However, I don't think there are many who are both at the point where they can learn vocab after only seeing it two or three times and not far enough along that a substantial portion of the tree will be unfamiliar to them.
The whole purpose of the Crown System is to make users repeat the things, which they were taught to get crowns in each skill. The Duo-Staff strongly recommends moderation over binge. However, the Japanese is one of the rare courses, that have the most amount of repeated lessons in each (crown) level in the fist half of skills. I agree, it does get pretty irritating.
Try shifting between different skills. That is all I can say.
zero zero zero zero menu menu menu menu pool pool pool pool But at least now I master that lil part, lol.
I have the same problem a lot with Duo, especially since I use other resources too and know a lot of this stuff already. What I do is go up to Level 1 on iOS and then test out from levels 2-5 on the web if it's just repeating the same thing over and over and I've already gotten it stuck in my brain.
Are you doing the course on web, or the Android app, or the iOS app? I know it happens on web, but just wondering if it also happens in the apps?
This problem existed long before the crown system was introduced. The Japanese course (on web at least) has had this problem the whole time since as far back as the alpha testing phase (if I'm remembering correctly).
Does this ever happen in other courses? Is it only the Japanese course which does this? I don't think I've ever seen it happen in the reverse tree, not even back when it was in beta.
Luckily, for me, this bug doesn't seem to be happening anywhere near as often as it used to. Not to mean anything has necessarily been fixed though. It could just be related to the stage I'm at in the course that it occurs less frequently. ^^
It would be nice to know what the status is of dealing with this problem though.
- Duolingo aren't aware of this problem?
- Duolingo are aware but don't know how to fix it?
- Duolingo are aware and know how to fix it, but don't think there's a need to fix it?
- Duolingo are aware, know how to fix it, think it needs fixing, but don't think it's currently worth the time/expense/effort/...?
- It's something that is for the contributor team to correct? (Maybe there are some holes in a few sections of the tree where required content hasn't been added?)
- Something different?
We never know what the Duo-Staff is up to. The problem still exists (at least for watashi).
This happens in some courses, but not many.
The IOS version is worse than the web (in many aspects, but especially in this one). The Android (unupdated) one is much better than the two, though. I don't know about the updated Android version, but as seen from complaints, it seems very bad, just like the IOS one.
Duolingo are aware but don't know how to fix it?
I think they have staff for the user interface but no staff for the programming part (edit: the core system).
they must be those foreign exchange students that came on thursday and friday....
I have seen this problem in other courses. I think I've seen the same sentence appear in the same lesson in the same format (i.e. type-what-you-hear and translation in either direction are three different formats) up to six times. That was in Swahili.
There, it looked like the ratio between sentences in the skill and lessons in the skill (specifically lessons to reach crown level 1) was a bit off. If they'd reduced the lesson count by 1, I think the problem wouldn't have arisen.
Thank you piguy3! Thanks for confirming it's not just something that happens in the Japanese course.
What you said about the sentences-to-lessons ratio of skills is pretty much along the same lines as I had been thinking. If this is the case, then it is something the contributors have control over to fix?
Within skills where this bug occurs, either increase the number of sentences or reduce the number of lessons?
It seems like this would be Duo's responsibilty to check that the quantity of content put into the trees meet the requirements of their system, and that they likely haven't explained to contributors that this bug will occur if sentences-to-lessons within a skill isn't above a specific target ratio.
Who knows though. Maybe it could still be something completely different to this that's causing it? xD
I do sort of suspect it's something the contributors could ameliorate. I think the number of lessons per skill cannot be changed without a new tree version, but adding additional sentences should be possible.
However, I don't think contributors assigns sentences to lessons. They assign them to skills. So the fact that the lessons aren't well balanced also probably has a software angle.
Nakspazmo ; No, you are not lost. DL is a beautiful exercise book, but it is not a method of language learning. DL is aimed at people who already have an approach to Japanese. I have the same difficulties.
Yeah it took me like 2 weeks to get through that whole section and I really didn't want to finish.
If you feel like you've mastered a lesson, you can test out to the next highest level. You can max out your lessons pretty quickly that way, since they only go up to level 5.