Che viaggio lungo e stranissimo.
Buongiorno a tutti,
After a long time learning Italian here on Duolingo, there remains little left to acquire here. I am proud to say that I am beginning to become an advanced intermediate in Italian. What a long, very strange road it has been. From humble beginnings of struggling to remember what a 'ragazzo' was to proudly completing the tree, from learning Italian family culture abroad in Verona to completing the gold tree, from struggling to pronounce 'l'aria climatizzazione' to telling a clerk, 'ho un biglietto già per Il Duomo, dove faccio una prenotazione per entrare la cupola? Nel museo? Va bene, grazie.'
I thank everyone here for the instruction and guidance. I hope that one day I will reach level C2 and that you, the one reading this, will one day achieve that, too. If you try, it will be yours.
EDIT: adding resources for learning beyond the end of Duolingo, which I am currently using alongside reading in Italian: https://learnamo.com Recommended intermediate reading: "Diario di una Schiappa" (Diary of a Wimpy Kid)
P.S. Non essere preoccupato di errori. Ero in Milano per circa 80 giorni. Durante il mio tempo lì, ho fatto più di 80 errori, con almeno un errore in italiano per giorno. La gente apprezza gli vostri sforzi di più delle vostre capacità in italiano.
Complimenti vivissimi per il traguardo raggiunto, e in bocca al lupo per i tuoi futuri successi!
P.S. - reading this I almost feel as if I had already reached level C2. :-D
Civis, il mio insegnante, vi ringrazio al fondo del mio cuore. Per piacere, vi prego che tieni insegnare la gente chi viene qui per le loro lezioni italiane.
Ho imparato tanto da Lei.
Grazie per l'apprezzamento, sono lieto che i miei commenti siano stati utili. :-)
Ciao, I'm an Italian native speaker and I live in Italy, reading your posts is really moving for me. Knowing that there are people who want to learn our language is very nice for us Italians. We greatly appreciate foreigners who want to learn our language. Thank you so much to all of you for your efforts!
Ciao Stefano! Thank you for such a lovely message. It is an absolute pleasure to be learning your beautiful language, and may I say your English is excellent. (Un lingotto per te:-) Buonanotte... L
Stefano. Mille grazie per "Balla Linda" , un bello regalo per Il giorno di Santo Valentino. Grazie di cuore... L
Brilliant to read your success stories. Good luck for the future wcjerky.
Ciao e grazie per questo messaggio! Know the feeling exactly, the pleasure of a proper conversation in that wonderful country cannot be described. Keep learning and achieving. Tanti auguri, L.
Congratulazioni! @wcyerkey Very nice job indeed! The last 15 to 20 subjects seem to me to be the hardest ones. Especially all these different verb tenses... Did you manage to complete them with only the DL exercises or did you need an Italian guide book to help you out?
By the way, what's this C2 level about? Level 25 is the highest level I've noticed so far, which is strange because it can already be reached well before the end of the course.
Anyway, good luck in further on mastering and enjoying your Italian over in Italy!
I spoke to Italians about this topic and this is how the past tense was explained to me: 1) Passato perfetto is for events that happened recently, usually within a week. It can happen multiple times. 2) Passato imperfetto is for events that happened a while ago, usually over a week ago. 3) The exercise labelled at "Past" in Duolingo is passato romoto. It is used for events that happened years ago and only happened once. The outlier for this framing is that passato romoto is commonly used in literary forms. It's generally a more formal tense, and such, is used in journal articles. Only now have I branched and started to abandon Duolingo for Italian practice. This is a very good place to start learning a language, but not so much to develop beyond. Civis has written in depth articles not covered here, like the use of 'magari', diminuitives, and other mini stories.
Outside North America and prominently in the EU, one's ability to speak in a language is gauged by the levels A1 -> A2-> B1-> B2 -> C1-> C2, with A referring to a beginner level, B referring to intermediate, and C referring to fluent. C2 is the ability where a foreigner is comparable with a native speaker, minus regional idioms.
Lastly, I'm back from Italy as of Jan 28. I will always miss Italy; it's my second home.
Wcjerky. Have lump in my throat, I fully concur with your "second home" comment. I always miss Italy...
Milano e Roma erano interessanti, però mi hanno piaciuto le più piccole città, come Siena, Verona, Venezia, Modena, e Ravenna. C'era più caratere in quelli villaggi di Milano e Roma. Anche, il mare Meditterreno era soltanto un ora di pullman da Ravenna. Era bellissima.
Ciao wcjerky. Sono d'accordo. Ogni marzo vado in Italia, a Venezia. Ogni volta è meglio dell'ultimo! Non vedo l'ora il 31 marzo;-) Ciao...
I miss it too. It was a tough place to live in some ways (mostly because of my linguistic difficulties) but it was during that period right after I finished university so it gave me a nice consolidation time to grow up.
Il tempo da solo mi dava dei momenti di pensare del passato. Era gentile.
Thank you for your motivational post. Congratulations and have fun with further learning! Thank you for your link - that website seems to be very helpful!
Ciao Kappo. Me or Wcjerky? In all honesty I knew a little Italian before joining Duo. So you could say at least a couple of years without a break tho Duo helped me to advance. Duo also gave me the confidence to talk (which nightclass had taken away!) and not worry about errors. Italians are always so kind and helpful. I'm in an excellent E/I club here which helps to read n think Italian every day. Tanti auguri, keep learning and it gradually becomes natural, no really, it does;-) Ciao...
Ciao Linda, molto piacere. Thank you for your answer. I am just starting to learn Italian these last few months (very little previous knowledge) so i just wanted to get some input from more experienced people. As a native Serbian speaker, i don't have any trouble with pronunciation or accents, but still my knowledge is limited. Maybe in a few years... :) Anyways, thank you again. ;)
Not OP, but it generally takes 5 years of daily (and by that I mean an hour or so) practice to become fluent in a language for a normal person. I'm 2 years in and there is so much vocabulary to learn. (I also had 3 years in college to learn, but that was a while ago)
I'm at about two years in, plus five months of immersion in towns near Milan and Verona. The immersion has greatly helped, as not everyone speaks English in Italy. I have been practising Italian (and French) for about 15 minutes a day. My streak says for exactly how many days for French only.
Italian was the third language that I attempted. I started learning French as a child and I attempted (and still am attempting) Spanish before Italian.
Sfortunatamente, non ho niente con cui posso pratticare italiano ad alta. Quindi, megliorarerò lentamente.
Il mio consiglio è pazienza, prattica, e più prattica.
Thank you for your answer. I went to Italy about a year ago and i know about the not-speaking-English problem. All of their road signs are just in Italian also. So, patience and practice... ;) Thanks again guys
Whereas I'd lived in South Korea as a child so when I went to Italy, my reaction was more "wow - so many people speak English here!" ahaha <3 Though that may have been different if I were outside of Rome.
(Lest I be misunderstood, I should also add that I don't expect anyone to learn my language! There are definitely countries where there are a greater proportion of people who speak English as a second language, however.)
Hi Hayley, i know what you mean. Maybe compared to some non-European countries Italians do speak English a lot, but compared to other Europeans... For example, here in Serbia we learn other languages since the first grade (now, 3rd-5th when i was a kid) and not just English. We learn Russian, French, German, even Chinese in some schools. So i guess compared to us, they do not speak that much English, but that's good though. If you go to Italy you HAVE TO learn their language. :) Cheers ;)