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"De vrouw haar krant" - Can you say that in Dutch?

"De vrouw haar krant" was the expression I found in the English from Dutch course (translated as "The woman's newspaper"). This is the first time I see it, normally I would expect "De krant van de vrouw". Is it a valid expression? How is it used? Can I say "de man zijn hond" (the man's dog), "de grond zijn kleur" (the ground's colour), etc.?

February 20, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dutchesse722

Yes, you can most definitely say it. The reason it's probably not taught in the Dutch for English speakers course, is because it's considered colloquial and only used in the third person singular and plural. "De man zijn hond" would probably be said as "De man z'n hond." The first paragraph on this page, http://www.dutchgrammar.com/en/?n=Pronouns.Po06, explains a bit about it.

February 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Helena295273

Thanks a lot! Do you use it only with animate nouns or can this construction also be used with inanimate ones? Like "the colour of the ground".

One more question about the second part in you link. They say "We can only turn proper names into possessive nouns. Andrew's bicycle is possible, but my neighbour's bicycle is not." However, they use "oma" in the example. Is "oma" (grandma) a proper noun in Dutch?

February 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dfijma

Yes, "oma" can be used as a proper noun in Dutch. Like in "Oma's fiets is kapot" or "We gaan morgen naar Oma". In other contexts, it is not a proper noun: "Ze wordt oma".

February 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Dutchesse722

Yes, it's used with animate nouns only, although that would include animals, plants, trees, etc. You could say "De poes haar melk" (The female cat's milk) or "De hond zijn water" (The dog's water), but I'm not sure that "De bomen hun takken" (The trees' branches) is all that common. "De grond zijn kleur" would not be standard usage. Again, these kinds of possessive constructions are generally only used in spoken Dutch.

As for your other question, Oma and Opa (grandpa) are considered proper nouns in Dutch when referring to the persons themselves.

February 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/weerwater

In stead of this I would prefer to say:
De krant van de vrouw; de hond van die man; de kleur van de vloer.

You could put them into context:
"Bij het ontbijt leest de vrouw haar krant";

"Daarna beloont de man zijn hond";

"Tijdens het seizoen behield de vloer zijn kleur".

Or use it while pointing to some person:
Dat is die vrouw d'r jas;
Dat is die man z'n hond;
(Not with floor/ground or other things).

February 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Helena295273

Yes, I also would prefer "van smth/smbd" :0). Oh, so it is only used with the animate nouns, right?

February 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/weerwater

Well all is do-able on this (and not restricted by law), but to have 'things' own (hun; zijn; etc) something else ...
The bone of that dog: Het bot van die hond / Die hond z'n bot;
The rims of these wheels: De velgen van deze wielen / Deze wielen hun velgen.
The impact of these politics: De gevolgen van dit beleid / Dit beleid z'n gevolgen.

February 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/mika.v.s

ik ben nederlands, begrijp je dit? het kan allebei de vrouw haar krant is een beetje ouder nederlands en de krant van de vrouw is een beetje sneller gezegt :)

February 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/dfijma

Je kunt het zeggen. Maar het is spreektaal. En zeker niet algemeen geaccepteerd als correct Nederlands.

February 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Helena295273

Thanks everyone, I think I got it :0))

February 25, 2019
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