I passed my B2 ÖSD exam :-)
Two weeks ago, just few days after reaching 1000 streak on Duolingo I went for B2 ÖSD exam. Today I received my results:
- Lesen 19/20
- Hören 16/20
- Schreiben 25/30
mündliche Prüfung 19/30.
Overall 79/100 -> gut bestanden
woohoo. I am very happy to prove myself right about signing up straight for B2 exam and not for a lower one ;-)
I have no formal courses and the speaking part of my exam was my second time ever talking to someone in German (first time being 18 months ago in Austria chatting with a local tourist guide). My knowledge comes from Duolingo, Memrise, DW, podclub.ch, some grammar books, watching and listening tons of material in German and reading some Remarque :-)
I am sharing my results to make everybody know that it's hard work but it's all possible.
Great evening/morning/day to everyone.
P.S. Coincidentally I am going for a 3 day trip to Vienna on Sunday. Excited :-)
Allen Respekt! You did the work and it clearly paid off.
I appreciate you mentioning what resources you used and that you had limited experience with conversation prior to the exam. There is a big debate among people who love to theorize on the best way to learn a language, and some people like to favor "output" or active skills (using the language to express yourself, like writing and speaking) and some others like to favor "input" or passive skills (like listening, reading, studying grammar and vocabulary). Suffice to say, you need both to become truly fluent, but the question many learners have at the beginner and intermediate stages is how much output vs input should they be doing.
I'm personally in favor of more input in the beginner and intermediate stages, and learners like you are the reason why. I've know many learners over the years who were self-taught and had little to no exposure to other speakers, yet were able to pass B1-B2 or equivalent examinations. It's still a ton of work to get to that level, but pre-C1 learners who are worried about whether they should be writing and speaking more at their stage should find some consolation here--if all you can do at your stage is "input" you're still learning and it will pay off.
Thanks for sharing your success with us. Ich wünsche Ihnen alles Gute für die Zukunft!
Thank you for your comment and input. I believe Input is the best method to learn the language. If you listen/read and learn vocabulary and grammar even your output will inevitable become better (even without you actually practicing it). On the other hand people who learn the language by output/immersion (they speak a lot from the beginning), often have problems passing the exams, especially with reading (problems with analysing the text and finding information in it), writing (they can have problems with spelling) and since they are not best with texts even their Listening part of the exam is weaker because combination of listening and reading at the same time can be tricky. During my exam for one of two tasks of listening we only heard the audio track one time, so we would have to write the answers in the real time. That can get hard.
When you learn by Input like me, then when you need to speak, it takes no time to actually become really good in speaking. I have done it with English, I learned it by Input and when I needed it I actually just started to talk no problem.
Congratulations! Good to see that with free materials and effort, it's possible to reach B2. :)
Congratulations! I am happy to see that you can reach that goal without any formal courses. My school does not offer any foreign language courses except Spanish. So I have been limited to my own devices (including duolingo) to learn german. I hope I can do what you have done!
Hi, wow. Congrats.
It's understandable that you feel so happy.
I very recently came back to ... MEMORIZE - last week, actually - and realized how great a tool it is the vocabulary ! I'm going to try the 2 other tools you mentioned with interest. The DW site and the podcast.
I am personally very very very impatient, but I try to remember the time it took for my "brain" to feel comfortable in English.
It's was an incredibly long marathon. And since I started from scratch with German, it will be even longer. I know that there are steps and that I must accept the rules of the game, and that it'll pay off much later :-)
Wow! Congrats @ally.x! Those are really good grades! See, your hard work payed off. Best regards/SbC
P.S. Have a good trip to Vienna! That's a really neat place to visit. I hope to visit it one day myself. :)
I will enjoy my trip better now that I know the results of my exam :-) Thank you.
Thanks, I've been learning German for almost 3 years now, but I believe even a year ago (after about 2 years of learning) I would pass the B2 exam. Maybe not as well as now and I would have to prepare for it better. My preparation now was actually just doing the trial version of the exam and the night before I read through one of those "cheat sheets" (aka grammar overview) for German grammar that you can buy (mine has 8 pages of A5 / half letter format). I think it helped me on the Schreiben part, probably didn't make many grammar mistakes. One year ago I would have to do more work before the exam to pass it, let's say 2 weeks on the evenings.
That is outstanding! I'm all about quantifying hours in order to better plan and predict my results. This really helps me with motivation. Could you give me a rough estimate of the amount of total hours you've allocated into German that would be sufficient to pass B2? (Let's say at your 2 year mark).
Congratulations! And self-interestedly: are you able to recommend one of those cheat sheets you mention? Viel Spaß in Wien!
I'm very happy for you ally.x. You worked very hard for that B2 and it is well deserved. Gut gemacht! Viel Spaß in Wien. Wien ist eine schöne Stadt.
Gut gemacht, Ali! Tschechisch als Ausgangssprache ist nicht gerade sehr nahe an Deutsch, deshalb ganz besonderen Respekt für die Leistung. Die Reise nach Wien hast du dir als Belohnung reichlich verdient. Viel Spaß dabei.
Thanks Hannibal, German is actually much easier for us Czechs to learn than say English or French. Where I am from our great grandfathers used to go to Vienna for seasonal jobs in agriculture as Czech kingdom was part of Austrian Empire. I always used to say that German is in the air here. Grammar structures have many similarities and for example most german idioms have their translated czech equivalents (so they make perfect sense to us) and many germanisms are used in the colloquial Czech without people realizing it. On duolingo most of Verbs I learned I would actually know from daily use in their czech forms. There is a 30 page document online showing many of these words (https://www.nemecketexty.cz/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/seznam_germanismu.pdf)
Anyway I really do enjoy learning German much more than I did with English just because it is closer to my language :-)
I'm afraid it is a one way street though because I can imagine that learning Czech for German native speakers must be awfully hard.
Sorry for not writing in German, I'm taking a break today from German after 3 years of learning ;-)
No problem with the English answer, this way it is easier for me to read than if you would have used czech. anyway, it makes me curious whether or not to tackle this language one day. Since I live on the other side of Germany (French border) it may not be my first choice, but then again, I think I am open for new challenges
Yah, just like I wonder if I will ever tackle French. I went through the tree here but that's about it. I can read some but speaking or listening are still locked activities for me ;-)
Czech is beautiful and I'm sure in some ways the connection between Czech and German would work for you too. We just have more cases, declension and more complex system for verbs. And just like in German, learning one word can give you many more words when you use prefixes and suffixes :-)
Herzlichen Glückwunsch! Ich wusste gar nicht, dass Deutsch in Tschechien so gegenwärtig ist. Ich nehme an, dass es trotzdem eine große Herausforderung ist, Deutsch zu lernen. Deswegen großen Respekt!
Ich finde auch interessant, was du über deine Lernquellen schreibst. Für mich funktioniert am besten eine Kombination aus in- und output. Ich habe einige Sprachen gelernt, unter anderem Arabisch im Studium. Wir haben aber fast nur Lesen geübt - sehr wenig Hören oder Sprechen und ich habe deswegen bis heute das Gefühl, dass es die Sprache ist, zu der ich am wenigsten Bezug habe. Dabei habe ich sehr viel Zeit in Arabisch investiert - aber es bleibt für mich eine Sprache wie Latein.
Anders bei Polnisch: das habe ich von Anfang an durch meinen damaligen Freund und seine Familie gelernt. Und obwohl ich am Anfang sehr wenig verstanden habe, hat mir doch das Hören und Sprechen, glaube ich, sehr geholfen, ein Gefühl für die Sprache zu bekommen. Ich habe aber auch schnell mit "input" angefangen - ähnlich wie du über Radio, Fernsehen, Literatur und auch mit viel Grammatikübungen (ich würde sagen, Polnisch hat die komplizierteste Grammatik, der ich bisher über den Weg gelaufen bin).
Insgesamt muss wohl jeder die Methode finden, die für ihn am besten passt. :)
Viele Grüße aus Berlin!
@ ally.x Congratulations! I want to pass an official examen in English... Have you some advices? I have 250+270+205 days on duolingo
A typical certificate that many learners of English go for is FCE (First Certificate in English), it's on B2 level - upper intermediate You can learn more about it here: https://www.britishcouncil.es/en/exam/fce-first-certificate and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B2_First#B2_First_and_B2_First_for_Schools
Im really happy for your result after some really hard work from you. Im looking forward to the same result for myself after a while.
Could you please share what did you do except Duolingo and what was your Duolingo tactic. I mean, how much time did it take for you to finish one circle. Do appreciate your feedback!
Das freut mich sehr für dich! Ich wünsche Dir ein wunderschönes Wochenende in Wien!