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I don't understand when to agree tanto with the noun (Italian)?

I don't understand when tanto has to agree with the noun it midifies. For example, Mangio tanto pasta quanto tu. But, then there is, Le ragazze sono tante alta quanto intelligente. That's what I'm I'm confused with. What is classified as a noun modified as supposed to a adjective.

What about, I eat as much as I drink? or I know as much French as Italian? would these sentences have to agree tanto with the noun.

But then Tanto does not change form in the case of, He is as funny as he is smart because these are comparing 2 adjectives?

This concept is confusing me a bit.

February 24, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/CivisRomanus

When tanto modifies a noun, as Bob wrote, it always acts as an adjective, and therefore it must agree with the noun in gender an number:

  • Mangio tanta pasta quanto te.

  • Leggiamo tanti libri quanto voi.

When tanto modifies an adjective (which agrees with the noun), it acts as an adverb, and therefore it remains invariable:

  • Le ragazze sono tanto alte quanto intelligenti.

  • Quella giacca รจ tanto bella quanto elegante.

Also when tanto modifies a verb it acts as an adverb, and therefore it remains invariable:

  • Le ragazze studiano tanto.

  • Quei vestiti costano tanto.

February 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/PhxBob

Tanto can be either an adjective or an adverb. It is an adjective when it qualifies a noun. It is adverb when it qualifies a verb, adjective, or another adverb.

Adverbs are invariable, they only have one form. Adjectives match the noun they qualify (in gender and number).

In your first sentence, "Mangio tanto pasta quanto tu" (I eat as much pasta as you do.) - "tanto" qualifies the verb "Mangio". So it is an adverb and it is invariable.

In the second sentence "tante" qualifies the noun "intelligente". So it is an adjective and must match the noun.

Yes it is confusing.

February 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Pietro.F

Ehm...

In your first sentence, "Mangio tanto pasta quanto tu" (I eat as much pasta as you do.) - "tanto" qualifies the verb "Mangio". So it is an adverb and it is invariable.

This part is wrong. The quoted sentence is incorrect, and I think your analysis is also wrong.

I believe the correct sentence is "Mangio TANTA pasta quanto TE" because tanto is modifying the noun (pasta), rather than the verb, and it acts therefore as an adjective (variable), rather than an adverb (invariable).

Mangio tanto. - I eat a lot. (adverb, modifies verb, invariable)
Mangio tante olive. - I eat [a lot of / many] olives. (adjective, modifies noun, variable)

EDIT: See Civis's post for a more detailed explanation

February 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda7Italian

Bob thanks for your usual clarity. This one always catches me out but it's much clearer now. You have to think so quickly when you're talking but it's getting easier. Grazie di nuovo...

February 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Pietro.F

The quick and easy rule of thumb that always stuck with me after my italian teacher used it:

Many / A lot of = tanto, tanta, tanti, tante (many/a lot of endings)
Much / A lot = tanto

It certainly helped me speed up when choosing which to use, until it kind of becomes second nature after a lot of practice

February 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda7Italian

PietroFomano. Now that is a real light bulb momento! Mille grazie... L

February 25, 2019
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