https://www.duolingo.com/Ian.Kelk

Very unhappy about this new XP cap in test-out.

Months ago I had a top comment about why test-out levels made sense and if you tried to skip ahead you were only cheating yourself. Apparently that fell on deaf ears despite strong approval from the DuoLingo users. If I test out at a level that should receive 400 XP, then I should receive 400 XP, not this 20 XP as if I were doing a level I was newly practicing.

Seriously DuoLingo, we're your bread and butter. While I know that gamification isn't the complete goal here, it motivates us to keep going. I'm at just under a streak of a year, and BS like this makes me start looking at alternative language resources.

Was there really any motivation to change the way it was working?

March 5, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/WinterSoldier.

I came to duo to learn, but I the game aspect keeps me motivated. There is a million things I can do everyday, but I chose to do duolingo. That should matter

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/slgold

I came to learn a language, but XP help motivate me and it seems unfair that if you already know something you can only earn 20xp compared to 400xp unless you do all 40 individual lessons (or 38 and then test out) Personally I'd prefer to lose the leagues and go back to the old policy

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/CrysDH

I agree. I'm annoyed with the 20 point cap. I am here to learn the language (s) and I'm very committed, but I think the xp provides extra motivation and makes it a bit more fun. It's not about finishing the "game" either, because once I've "finished", I'll still keep using Duolingo as practice to keep my language skills fresh.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Danielconcasco

Be polite to each other folks.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Reznov249024

I mean yeah I came to Duolingo to learn too, but the XP aspect of things is inherently (to most) a really good motivator. I've found myself coming on to the app much more and pushing through more exercises in order to keep up on the leaderboards, and try to be in the top 10 to get to the next tier! The pressure spurs me on, and xp capping (where my 200XP test is now 20XP) just puts me off. I'm no vehement or utterly outraged, but I am put off. For those who aren't, please don't just tell us to get over it. We will, obviously, but these forums are here for us to voice whatever we feel like, so let's not shut each other down? Kill the xp cap!

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Patricia998445

I’ve complained about the 20 cap when Skipping but as usual no response. It definitely makes it more interesting and challenging to receive the full credit for skipping as well as testing your ability. Who is the cretin that thought up this new cap? If you don’t like it, complain complain, complain.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/speising

it's actually pretty sensible. the xp should reflect the amount of work you put in, the experience you gained by doing what ever you did. a test out is certainly more worth than a lesson, but can you claim that you gained as much experience in a test out as in 40 lessons?

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LordGlacier

I can claim it, because if I test out of a skill because I know it; then that means I would have learnt it beforehand, which means I have gained experience before testing out. If I test out of a skill as a learning experience, and I believe I have learnt what I could learn from that skill, then yes I can still claim it, because normal learning and testing out learning has the same outcome, learning that skill!

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/speising

it's just a different interpretation of "experience": for you, it's an absolute level representing your current language knowledge. for duo, it's a relative measure of what you learned during that specific action. i think that makes more sense, to measure your absolute language level would require a very different kind of test.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Wessam566420

Yes it's very frustrating, it used to be encouraging that you level up as you gain more experience by testing out levels, this is so unfair, it 'll take one ages to level up this way !!

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/redda18

I believe the XP is actually meant to measure your knowledge of the language, that is why the language levels are linked to the amount of XP a person has. So in theory if you easily pass out of a level you have that knowledge and the higher XP originally given reflected that.

I am doing the reverse tree at the moment and in my native language I am at only level 14 with 7330 XP. This does not bother me one jot. I am doing it to improve my Spanish and whether they give me one or a thousand XP for testing out I get exactly the same benefit in my language learning.

Also once you make level 25 the amount of XP is irrelevant. I originally started this account when I was beta testing crowns. On my original account I have over 468000 XP in Spanish and 112000 XP in English which means totally nothing.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/daffodil2015

Rationally, I totally agree with you. The amount of XPs means absolutely squat in real life. But they still give you that "yess! I got myself 250 xp with no mistakes" feeling, which is at least partly what a lot of users are attracted to :)

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ian.Kelk

Depends on if you look at xp as a meaning of how much time you put in, or how well you're learning the language. Personally, when I see someone at level 25 in a language, I instinctively assume that they have a decent grasp of it, regardless of how many repetitions they did of a lesson. In that case, I do think testing out should reward the same XP.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/pmm123

When you choose to test out, you do not see the translations that are offered in a regular lesson. So it's harder to test out than to do each individual lesson. If points are going to be used at all, and are supposed to be a measure of effort or experience, then it makes sense for the XPs to be higher when you test out of the equivalent of 30 or 40 lessons.

I use both methods. When I'm working on a language I've already studied, I usually test out, because I don't need as much repetition. The language is already familiar to me and I'm reviewing or learning new vocabulary.

When I'm working on a language that is new to me, I do each lesson. Testing out is almost impossible if you are new to the language and I agree that it would deprive the learner of valuable experience.

The way I see it is that if we're going to put an artificial cap on XPs for testing out, why bother with XPs at all? Give us some other form of feedback on our progress, since XPs aren't a very good measure of our actual progress anyway.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ursulias

@pmm123: You are absolutely right. Learning a new language is doing it again and again and going through all units and all lessons there are. And when you get to a higher level (which is as everybody will find out on the way to level 5 just more repetition and absolutely no new stuff) and succesfully learned the unit, you can go for the challenge and try to test out the next level. No hints, just 3 hearts for the max. 3 mistakes you are allowed to (and when you cheat with google translator, you are cheating yourself).

And if you succeed, it is nice to get some reward what so ever.

Let learning be a game, let people have fun - it was not necessary to change it (except for the enormous increase in ad income - people who test out get to see less ads).

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Christine301197

Seems to me that the XP shows how much time you've put in and the crowns show how much you achieved with that effort. The change to the XP seems fine to me but perhaps would be fairer if they displayed the crowns achieved alongside XP level

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/russ_ac88

This all depends when you joined and how you approach Duolingo. I 'd been on Duolingo for over 3 years when the Crowns were introduced, on the change over I was "awarded" a small number of crowns which were not commensurate with my then XP total.

Now I have over 159,000 XP in Spanish but only 322 Crowns. I often do general "Practice" because it stretches me more, but when I do it I don't get any Crowns.

Now I test out just to get my tree back to the gold it was before the introduction of Crowns. When that is done I can just concentrate on general practice all the time.

March 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Hugh231007

I tested out of many of the lower levels as I had no need to re-learn those concepts. Now I do all the lessons in each module as I find I get more out of it that way. The constant repeating of even small points of grammar and sentence structure is what ingrains it into my mind. I'm not trying to "get through" the tree, I'm trying to learn the language. Sometimes slower is better.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SparkleDino

Wow, I didn't know about this. Does this apply to level test outs? Like the level for the bubbles? If I'm not clear enough I can clarify. And I think that this update makes a lot of users unmotivated. Like me. Thanks for this post, Ian.Kelk!

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/redda18

The test out has been here less than one year. It followed after the introduction of crowns a year ago. I would sooner them cap the test out than remove it.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Klgregonis

Actually, the test out was a feature prior to the introduction of crowns, was removed when the crowns were introduced, then, thankfully, reintroduced a while ago.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/redda18

I used to have a test out of the tiers of the tree before the introduction of crowns, but now I only have tests out of the crown levels which is totally different to the previous test out and this was not introduced until a few months after crowns were.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/benjamin9900

I'm not super pissed like some people are, but I strongly agree that a user should get full XP when testing out of a lesson. A suggestion is maybe making it cost more ingots to skip more lessons or something.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MichelleLinguist

This is another one of Duolingo's awful moves. It isn't the worst, removing the strength bar for crowns was awful as well as putting gems on their app (I only play PC and removed Duolingo from my mobile device because of that one). Personally I am fine with not getting the XP if they would give us strength bars back so we could see what we should work on.

Duolingo is a basic bootstrap website and I don't know what type of devs they have working on it but I am sure they could figure out a better job of stopping people from abusing the system than to punish everyone with their awful updates. Come on Duolingo, you can do better. You have Carnegie Mellon, you can write better code than this.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/4evaspain

Also I only just found out about the cap from this discussion. Why don't they tell us these things? If I know a skill well enough to test out why shouldn't I get the points?

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/pmm123

I agree that there should have been some sort of notification. I don't really pay that much attention to XPs, but after testing out of about 5 lessons, I realized my total for the day had barely moved. I thought there was a software glitch until I came to discussions and started seeing posts about it.

It's almost as if Duolingo can't decide how much gamification they want. I don't need to earn XPs at all, but if they're going to use them, there should be some logic to the way they are earned. Putting an arbitrary and artificial cap on XPs earned by testing out is not logical.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Nightman11

I agree. 20 XP per test-out is super corny. If you're in a league, its kinda uninspiring. I'm just thinking of switching my limit to 20 XP per day. SMH.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/srg_slp

It would have at least been nice to have them at least inform you that they were capping the test out. I came today to get a notice that I lost my 1095 day streak. I have been doing one test out a day for a while now and that gave me 200 XP and covered the 50 XP target I had set a very long time ago. Because I ultimately don't care about XPs I didn't even look to see there was a change and that I only got 20 and therefore didn't hit my target. While I don't care about individual XPs my very hard earned streak has kept me motivated. Luckily I was able to use the free trial to restore my streak - otherwise Duo would have lost a very long time user.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/merkavar

Was there really any motivation to change the way it was working?

leagues... how do you have them if people can test out or redo placement tests and earn buckets of XP in the same time as a normal user earns 100xp. Defeats the purpose of the league, right? The top leagues will be full of people trying to get as much XP as possible in what ever way possible, while the other levels of the league will be full of people actually doing lessons and learning stuff.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LordGlacier

still, going from 400 XP to 20 XP seems bad. They could just decrease a percentage of the whole XP which would be fine. Like if I would get 200 XP from doing the normal learning, I should get like 180 or 160 XP by doing the test out option. Give it a %10 or 20% reduction and it's fine. You are only thinking of the league stuff, but they are very new and not everbody even has those leagues. For example I have a friend group of 5 all of whom do duolingo, and only I have "leagues" on my phone app and they do not. They still have the clubs somehow. And frankly, I almost always do duolingo on my laptop, which defeats the purpose of leagues anyway since I have to use my phone to get into the weekly board at the start of the week. I don't think a lot of people care about leagues at all. But XP-wise, I always look at the xp of my friends list to compare how good I actually did. Testing out and learning with pace should have the same XP or should be close, because testing out is also a learning experience.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/merkavar

Yeah but they put leagues out on android and one of the complaints is about the XP people earn.

So they are fixing the XP for everyone prior to rolling out leagues to everyone.(or so I have heard)

Testing out isn’t learning, that’s the point, you test out of stuff you know instead of wasting tome doing 20 lessons.

How can you compare to your friend XP if you test out of 5 skills and they didn’t, do you think you are doing really good with 1000 XP compared to their 100 XP?

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ian.Kelk

Testing out isn’t learning, that’s the point, you test out of stuff you know instead of wasting tome doing 20 lessons.

Not true for me. I speak Spanish fluently, so the normal Portuguese lessons went way too slow. Testing-out in Portuguese was the same learning as doing normal lessons in Russian, which I am also doing now.

The point is different experience levels in different languages affect how useful testing out is.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LordGlacier

Testing out may not seem like a learning to you, but I think it is. Some lessons have 4 or 5 parts to get to another crown. After doing the first two parts, I just feel that it gets sort of repetitive and does not feel like it is teaching me at all. I know repetition is a huge part of learning a language, but instead testing out of the lesson is sometimes better since it has more questions and gives you three strikes. And in normal lessons you can just move your mouse over to the word you don't know, but in test out questions you cannot. Now I am not saying learning languages has only one way of doing it, but in my past experience I've learnt English withouth knowing all the words in a sentence and not even actually looking it up all the time. Inferring from the sentence is a good method, and inferring and finding something out for myself made me better, because I found the answer myself, instead of the answer just being there. I can memorise and understand better in that way. I'm sure some people can symphatise. When my peers were learning they were always looking it up or asking someone or something. And after 5 years of learning they were still on the same mediocre level while I was not. Testing out can be a learning experience.

Testing out of 5 skills at one time to get 1000 XP is even too much, I'm not even sure people even do that to learn a language. But testing out of 1 skill per day can do the job, and it has for me.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

"Defeats the purpose of the league, right?" Yeah. So how about changing the leagues and not whole Duolingo? It looks like just not counting the restarted trees and new and new placement tests on old profiles could fix vast majority of the problem. No need to change the rules for everyone else.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/redda18

The people actually doing lessons and learning stuff probably wont care about the leagues or XP points anyway!

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/daffodil2015

But not everybody is in leagues!!! This is just for Android users! Why punish the rest of us? Why not make the leagues opt-in or opt-out and for us folks who really don't care about them leave test-outs as they were?

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MeeplingR

to be honest, it becomes their fault if they are not learning. I'm not saying getting a lot of points is bad, I'm just saying that what matters is learning the language.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MeeplingR

did my earlier reply go up?

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/drstevens14

I've got a 600+ day streak, and over the past two years I've noticed that duolingo has gotten considerably easier with far less translating into the target language (even at level four), and with the crown system replacing the strength system, folks who want to maintain a golden tree have to work on isolated skills instead of using the practice feature that targets specific weaknesses, so there's less long-term retention of subject matter if you want that golden tree. Even with those deficiencies I've kept at it, largely because one test-out per day has allowed me to keep up my streak. Under the old xp system, I could have done this for about 100 more days (earning enough to hit my target each day in one practice set). Now I've only got 30 more days using the still higher-paying test outs before I have to either reduce my xp target, do tons of practice, or just drop duolingo altogether (it isn't clear that I'm learning anything at this point anyway, since the app has been so dumbed down by now).

Also, worth pointing out that testing out of 50 lessons gets you the same xps as testing out of 15...

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MattRexroad

Amen. Agree 100%

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/4evaspain

I've been level 25 for about 2 years and generally speaking am about upper intermediate level in Spanish so I should be able to test out of some of the levels, particularly those based on vocabulary, fairly easily so this cap is unfair.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/angelw508

Duolingo is good but it's not that good, all its translations are weird and most of them don't make sense, and xp points and lingots are the best way to be motivated they should get rid of the app instead of making stupid changes, I'm about to quit using it it's a pity for all the days I have in a row but I think I hate duo now

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/xxxMacayla

I came across this problem as well. I love to test out because it gives you more XP at once. As well as, I see how much I know in the lesson and if I do not know enough to test out, I go back through the lesson to practice, where I can see the meanings of each words. This is what has been helpful for me, and as I can see, many others. I like Duolingo, but I prefer that they would get rid of this new update.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Wessam566420

Yes it's very frustrating, it used to be encouraging that you level up as you gain more experience by testing out levels, this is so unfair, it 'll take one ages to level up this way !!

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/TJStoekl

Yup.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ISpeakAlien

My personal opinion is that skills should not have to be unlocked. You should not have to complete skills in any specific order.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/redda18

Just go through the entire tree at level one. Once you have done that the tree is unlocked and you then go through the skills at the other levels in what ever skill order you want.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/redda18

I would sooner they cap the test out XP than remove the test out

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/CarlosGarr389837

You are absolutely right.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/albemo

Yo estoy desde el 2011, lo he dejado, he vuelto y así he estado... Dúo hace algunas actualizaciones que me dejan sin palabras, unas buenas, otras no tanto. lo que más me dolió fue que quitaran la barra de fuerza. pero aún así sigo aqui porque estoy aprendiendo mucho, yo sé que si termino el árbol no seré un nativo, pero saben... esto me encanta. participar, estar en los clubs, mirar a mis compañeros y ver cuánto XP han ganado y forzarme a alcanzarlos. la gamificación es importante pero creo que cada quien aprende a su manera. Aunque sí, Dúo debería desarrollar más cosas que anime a sus usuarios, ojalá estos cambios sean pronto. No estoy criticando, más bien es algo constructivo. Me encanta Duolingo.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Maria299959

As I am not a beginner in any of the languages I refresh my knowledge off the XPs and the streaks have been my motivation, but like Ian.Kelk I am now looking for other alternatives. Especially as two months ago my 800 day streak was lost for no reason at all. I had never missed a day in 800 days. You were great to start with, Duo, but now you are a disappointment

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LenaSusa1

I agree with you compleatly! I have been learning Spanish with a private tutor for two years now so I use Spanish tree mostly to revise and get to the "hardest parts". Because of that I find going through the lessions "regular way" too slow so I test out in Spanish tree. Now, I really don't think I deserve significantly less XP than someone that is going the "regulary way" and that at the end of the tree my level and my XP wouldn't accurately show my knowledge if Duo countinues to stick with this.

March 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Fabricius_Victor

I'm leaving because of this change. That is no way to treat long term customers. https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31557239

April 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Kevin821886

I came to duolingo to learn a language. I did NOT come here to gain XP, or to keep a streak alive, or anything else. I came to learn a language. That is what duolingo does for me. Duo, change whatever you want, because as a free app the price is right for me and I'm learning a lot. Thanks.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/kmpres
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I disagree, points make the game interesting.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Klgregonis

I also come to learn. I've been through several iterations of levels, hearts (not the kind on IOS, they started with hearts but didn't require you to wait before starting a lesson over, then switched to an unlimited strength bar for practice, then - but the basics stay the same. I really didn't care then ( and don't now) about lingots, etc, except to get enough to buy timed practice and the bonus skills. Which didn't take long. I'd probably keep doing this if I didn't earn anything except knowledge.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mordy_005

I totally disagree with this attitude. Duolingo is a community and as such it is not merely a "free app" it is a collective of hardworking individuals who comment and building databases and lexicons of new material. People who work hard on their lessons should enjoy this simple if "superficial" point numbering systems for having the joy of being able to test out of levels. It makes perfect sense and reflects how things would function in any real world situation or structured game. Duolingo please change it back. "If ain't broke, don't fix it!"

March 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/WinterSoldier.

@Mordy, well said!

March 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

Well, if you don't care about any piece of gamification here, there is only one question left: why are you even using Duolingo and not a better course? Because Duolingo's strength lies in the mix of quite good content and good gamification. But if you don't care about the gamification (or if they damage it too much), then Duolingo suddenly becomes just a not too good course.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/drstevens14

Gamification is the main reason I've stayed. They've eliminated a lot of the features that made this a valuable language learning resource, making the content easier (level four was supposed to be harder, but it's slightly easier than the general practice sets were before) and getting rid of the free translations they used to have. You're better off using a book or any number of websites offering advanced content after about 3-6 months on duolingo. So yeah, only reason I still do this is the gamification, since it isn't offering much beyond that.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tita.popi

You're right, but Duo has a lot of repetitions, and when a say a lot, it means A LOT, and doing that is very boring and tiring. And is not right to pay to test-out of a level. [Even if they are just lingots (nothing)]. (Please correct me if I made a mistake writing in English).

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DamonTaylo8

Practice makes perfect!

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tita.popi

You're completely right, but Duo repeats too much sometimes, and basic things. For example, last month, while I was doing one of the lessons, Duo showed me four times the same exercise "La revista", "La revista", "La revista", "La revista", that was a little bit annoying because that's a very easy word and I answered the exercise correctly since the first time.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/PaulEres1

by this logic, any free app can do whatever they want, because it's free. duolingo does charge money for premium content (such as quizzes), and is supported by ads. it's a business that makes millions of dollars a year from its customers, even though the average customer uses it for free: even the ones that use it for free give duolingo money by looking at ads, and those advertisors pay duolingo millions of dollars.

i actually do agree that this xp change is good. i think it doesn't significantly harm gamification to make this change, and i've no problem with it. but the idea that whatever duolingo wants to do should be fine by us because we are using it for free just feels like a wrongheaded statement to me.

Luis von Ahn, the ceo of duolingo, has an estimated net worth of 70 million dollars. that is partly due to all the ads the 300 million users of duolingo have watched -- collectively tens of billions of individual advertisements. every time duolingo shows you an ad, someone pays duolingo at least a penny. to say the free users of duolingo have no say in its decisions ignores the economic realities of this. what we are giving duolingo for free (eyes for advertisors) is worth just as much as what duolingo is giving us for free (learning a language in a gamified way). it's an equal trade. it isn't a gift.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/OsoBJ

I think whether you pay or are using the program for free, it's about what makes the program interesting. If it is interseting/competitive, that will make users recomend it to their friends. More people = more advertising opportunities. I enjoyed the competition that the xp offered. I checked in more frequently to see how many xp my friends and followers had and I would try to catch up with them, spending more time, learning more. Now it is not so important to me. There is no chance now that I can catch up with them in xp so my interest in doing so has gone. Less competition = less time spent learning. I have stacks of reference books that I can study from, but it is not as much fun as Duoling was. Just my opinion.

March 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ian.Kelk

As did I, however after nearly a year, with days where I lose motivation, the gamification aspect definitely keeps me going. If there was no point for it, it wouldn't exist. Also, I want to support the app and pay for DuoLingo Plus, so sudden changes like this irritate me.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/russ_ac88

If you stay with Duolingo as long as I have you will see many more changes that irrate you and make you comment.

You will also see that the negative comments don't make them reverse the changes after they come out of the testing phase, they're here for good, or at least until the next major change/roll out takes place.

You need to get used to the changes iif your staying,

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ian.Kelk

That's a fair point, but I'm also one of the people subscribing to DuoLingo Plus, so I can additionally vote with my wallet at this point. I really don't want to since I feel that the $60 I give a year is for a good cause, but as a customer I expect to be listened to somewhat, or I leave.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/pmm123

The main reason I am paying for Plus was so I could test out on the iOS app (it was not an option before). Now that there's no real reason to test out, I'll have to reconsider my decision.

For those who say that points should not matter, then why not just eliminate XPs entirely? Remove the gamification and competition, and give each individual learner a more meaningful form of feedback on our progress after each lesson, such as a percentage based on the number of errors we made.

I don't need XPs to keep learning, but if we're going to have them, it does not make any sense for testing out to result in fewer XPs than working through each lesson, does it?

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tavocarrera3

good bye!!!

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/A.Kilroy

Kevin: Amen to that!

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/NadiaPagan3

yea

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/bruce_b

I agree. I hate the update. It really hurt the gamification which is the biggest thing duolingo has going for it.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Hugh231007

the fact that it's free and effective is the biggest thing it has going for it.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/4evaspain

I totally agree! Three times now I've tested out of a level and only received 20 points instead of the 150 to 350 I should have each time. This means I keep dropping in the leader board, yet some people are still on over 600 points. How, if the level is capped, for testing out? Do they really do that much?

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Wolhay

I believe that decreasing the xp reward for testing out lessons was made to improve gamification on the platforms with the leaderboard.

It wasn't very motivating to compare yourself against people on the leaderboard that were just testing out lessons.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/drstevens14

Ad views may explain this update and the new crown chests update as well. Under the old system, I did one test-out per day to maintain my streak, and I suspect many others did too. I saw two ads per day with a 50-point target. Now I have to do three test-outs a day, which means four ads. So in other words, the new policy results in Duolingo doubling the number of ads it can serve me. Likewise, giving out lingots for every 5 crowns might motivate some users to do even more test-outs, meaning even more ads, and more ad revenue.

I don't really mind more ads, but if revenue is really the goal, then just serve more ads--maybe two ads per test-out and two in exchange for the second chest at the end of the day.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ionradoi1

After those changes i do my minimum necessary for continuing and so do must of us , so it is a decrease of activities hereand that goes to a lost in gaining fron comercial advertising so where is the result, onllyasatisfaction to the mediocrties?

March 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/E.T.Gregor

Can you link that post? I'd be curious and maybe some others would be too.

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ian.Kelk
March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Hyperpolygl0t

First off, it is a lame update and secondly, if so, then Duolingo must reduce the maximum 30000 xp for level 25 to the reasonable minimum...bcoz it takes a lot of time to reach that point...

March 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ta_Xuan_Hoang

I am also very sad because I only get 20KN when I finish one skill in Duolingo. Who can help me?

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Jon786634

Every change they make, from the scoring system to the drawing of the little owl, gets a chorus of passionate complaints from some users. It sometimes makes for amusing reading but seems pretty insignificant compared to the learning value provided by this free app.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/spiceyokooko

Well said Jon, couldn't agree more.

I've been here since January 2013 and have seen many changes over the years, some bad, mostly good.

The changes Duolingo makes is to constantly improve the learning experience for everyone, it stands to reason that any changes to the gamification elements is going to displease those primarily here for that reason.

Personally I couldn't care less about XP, Crowns, Skills, Levels because I'm here to learn Spanish and understanding tricky grammatical constructs is of far more importance to me than how many XP I get from testing out Skill I know so I can move on to something more challenging.

People definitely lose sight of the purpose of Duolingo - to learn a language, it's always been the same though sadly.

Nevertheless the whiners, whingers and moaners provide a constant source of amusement!

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Nightman11

It's "whining and complaining" until it's something that you don't like.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/spiceyokooko

As I said in my post, I've been here over 6 years. There's been plenty of changes to duolingo over that time that has disrupted the way in which I use the site. In fact having been here that long, I'd suggest my learning has been disrupted and affected far more than the majority of people posting in this thread.

However, unlike them, I accept the changes as duolingo's way of constant improvement for everyone, adapt to the changes and carry on.

I'm just grateful to duolingo for providing a FREE language learning tool from which I've benefitted enormously in my language learning journey.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Nightman11

......I've been here just as long as you have and I've learned a lot and I'm grateful for it. That doesn't mean that I nor others can't voice an opinion that isn't complimentary to Duolingo. People are going to have opinions, that's life, not being a whiner. The fact that it's free shouldn't change that.

March 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/GeorgeAvil11

hio

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ShishirPat1

So I am relatively new to duolingo compared to the more "experienced" people on this chat but in my Spanish class my teacher has us do duolingo for homework and as I was reading through the comments I found that most people just didn't want the experience at all and it is just for the knowledge. I understand what everyone thinks but without the XP then the teacher would not know who is doing how much duolingo. I feel that gamification is an important asset and they should still keep it.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mokurai

I put my take on this topic in DL English because it affects all language trees.

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31183258

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tavocarrera3

Good Bye man!!!

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/OsoBJ

Totally agree with you. Thanks. Here is a lingot.

March 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ionradoi1

I think these changes are a way to stimulate the mediocrity. It is something to solve a lesson from the first ones an other to solve a unity fron the last ones by repeting over and over it without any help except dictionaries and gramaire books to grt hundred of XP.

March 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Hyperpolygl0t

You know fellas, it'll be ok if they also reduce the xp amount needed for changing levels i mean it must be reduced unless about 30000 xp is neede for leve 25. tell me how much time is need to rech that level with 20 xp?

March 14, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Rod347429

I think this is a difficult one, I experience a lot of competitiveness here, people who test out to win the week and people trying to catch me in a few weeks after I spend months of hard work learning the language. I think its great that in one foul swoop someone cant score hundreds of points and get into the lead, they have to work, practice and learn the language, on the other hand I was disappointed when I first got 20 XP for testing out. All in all I think the new system is better, it you have to work to score and learn without the fast track it is bound to help learning.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/pmm123

I understand your point, but it can work both ways. I had gotten to a point where I spent a few minutes reaching my daily XP goal, and then leaving it. But when I saw that some of my friends were making major point progress, and I realized that testing out was a way to stay competitive, it did motivate me to spend more time on Duolingo.

On the other hand, it also motivated me to stick with languages that I knew better, because I would never try to test out of lessons for a language that was new to me. So that was a downside to the way it was.

I'm going to try to be open-minded about this change and see how it works out for me over the next few weeks. For now, I will probably go back to the languages I have neglected, so in the long run, this could be a positive change.

March 7, 2019
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