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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Neotist

XPs when a level test is taken

When I took a test to skip a level I used to get full XPs from that lesson.

For instance if it is a level with 8 lessons for that particular level I used to get 80XP. But now it gives 20XP if I skip a level.

Did something change?

March 6, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RowenaJane

Yes I am very disappointed too. The incentive to do the test has been taken away. I trust Duo will return it!

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pmm123

I agree. Why bother with the test for just 20 points, when you can get 10 points doing a regular lesson which includes hints? I prefer the tests not just for the points, but because it allows you to move through the lessons rapidly. But I miss the extra points.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/raconteur

I have been using duolingo on and off for 5 years, and i never had this much fun, but after this, i just lost my 38 day streak, simply because its not fun anymore. now its just tedious and dissappointing.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DoctorDadd

Agreed.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sparrowhawk28

It's so disheartening to lose a streak. I've lost a 200+ day streak twice; I was absolutely gutted! Silly, but there you are.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Milena468921

Yeah, I noticed it as well! I do not like this update at all! I want my XPs when take the whole level!

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brianwould

I noticed this a few days ago and thought i just had a bad connection or there was some problem with the duolingo server. I should be away ahead in my Hungarian class as i managed to pass some difficult levels that would be about 400xp worth and instead i barely make the daily xp of 50 i set. what a terrible stupid change! very discouraging...

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/katrien.deroo

I've been working on my German and noticed this as well, very disappointing as it gives a greater sense of reward if you test out and gain more XP. Also prefer testing because it lets me go through the material relatively quickly, as my passive knowledge of German is ok and I'm doing this to brush up some skills.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JACOBH94

Same here. I even live in Germany, have a German wife, and a German in-law family. I use German daily and I use Duo more for the grammar learning that the vocabulary so testing out was great for me because I established proper grammar without having to go through the vocabulary I already knew. Now this update has made testing out an anti-rewarding event. I am almost 70 days into my 50 points per day minimum streak and this happens? I may just give up using Duo and ask for account deletion at this point.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sparrowhawk28

I should reset the minimum to ten points per day and just do what you want to do, but it's certainly less fun than it was.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LucaDelvil

Yes! It was a great way to challenge my level of comprehension and now it's not so enjoyable anymore. I hope they fix it soon.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pmm123

I strongly agree about the challenge element. There were times it took me three or four attempts to successfully test out of a skill that I thought would be easy for me. I learned a lot in the process, but it didn't take days to do it.

Testing out is a good way to allow learners to make their own decision about the amount of time they want to spend on a given lesson. The so-called "extra" points weren't extra at all; they were what you would earn if you completed each individual lesson.

If this change was designed to please people who compete in leagues, OK, but that's not a very sound reason from an educational standpoint, is it?

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/brianwould

Exactly my thoughts about the tests - I had a great feeling of achievement when i had to do a test several times having that feeling I was getting a grasp of the different endings to words and word order (Hungarian)..I have generally great retention for vocabulary so I found the tests far more useful.rather than plodding through all the lessons at 10xp each.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rotimi_babalola

Really don't know why Duolingo would release an update like this. I think they should fix ASAP

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/fixmanius

I almost lost my streak because of this!

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/FaizalZahid

I noticed this as well, needed to change my XP per day because of this :(

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Grant632872

I also noticed this and was a little bit disappointed. I am also still wondering what happened to the "combo bonus" on the app that gave more points if you got more answers right.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/nicolawright

I’ve just changed my goal to 10 points a day, then I won’t be so annoyed by this disappointing change

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pmm123

My daily goal has always been 10. That makes it easier to maintain the streak if you are short on time. Though I'm beginning to wonder why I care about the damn streak, too. I mean, if I miss a day, it's not as if I lose everything I've learned.

The thing is, XPs and a learning streak were never what attracted me to Duo in the first place. It's always been about having free access to language study. But after 5 years of using Duo, apparently I've bought into the gamification model a lot more than I realized.

So maybe this change will turn out to be a good thing and force me to refocus on what I'm really here for, which is not some number that really has no meaning.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Milena468921

Actually, I noticed that each next update is worse than the previous one. For example, earlier I got up to 5 XP bonus when I was making the exercises on my smartphone. With one of the regular updates this motivation was gone. So, I stopped using my phone for Duo so regularly. Next - the line, showing the progress of the level testing was also gone (from the phone app), as well as the "mistakes hearts", so that I cannot follow how many mistakes I have made. Now, comes this stupid update.... What's going on? Every single update happen to be more discouraging and the fun is going away...

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JACOBH94

I'll even throw some Lingot your way just for posting this. IT'S 1000% TRUE!!!! I noticed the hearts disappeared shortly after upgrading to the PLUS version... Now this? What's next? PLUS members having to go through each lesson 1 by 1? They should add the hearts back so you can see what you did wrong, add the progress bar back, and return to giving full-credit for testing out. If I test out of a college class, I get full credit for the class, why should this be any different?

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexbuenomoya

Sí, la verdad es que es una pena. Yo también me estoy planteando lo de la versión Plus. Y eso que estoy en las primeras posiciones de la infame leadingboard. Quiero mejorar del todo mi catalán, pero si me van a dar 20 míseros puntos.. .pues no sé, no me motiva los lingotes que gano aprendiendo noruego.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JC110104

Ugh, the same thing happened to me and I just stopped testing out. Now I just do my daily goal of XP and get off. I was getting a lot of XP a day because I already fully understood the material I was learning, so I tested out. Now, it's like before I knew there was testing out and I'm doing tedious, repetitive lessons and I'm only doing twenty xp per day. I'm a middle school student, (8th grade) and it is very difficult for me to make time for duolingo, and I only have limited time. The testing caused me to go from being able to get 200 XP per day to 20. It's sad because just a couple weeks ago I was getting up to 800 XP from testing out. They really need to change this back or else many people are going to lose interest.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JACOBH94

This also has effected me and seems to have happened within the past week. I noticed this tonight and I test out of several lessons a day as living here in Germany, I use German daily and learn a lot of the lessons before I get to them. Testing out allows me to learn only the Grammar part of it while skipping the repetitive vocabulary. Now I'll loose out on XP for doing so... Today I tested out of SEVERAL lessons and only ended with a few hundred XP that would originally have been thousands of XP. The skipping lessons by testing out so that I'm not having to waste hours learning the vocabulary I already know was the reason for getting the PLUS version. This makes it a waste of money if I have to go through the lessons to get the XP anyways. What a horrible update! Please reverse this ASAP!

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Radhicka

Yeah. New update. Testing out will give 10-20 xp max. Something to do with the leader-board update on Android (which totally sucks, btw).

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rotimi_babalola

Please can you give more information about this? If you can

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TJWphd

People on Android leaderboards were testing out of the early lessons, racking up hundreds or thousands of XP, then deleting the course, then adding it back and repeating to game the system. That is why they removed it. However... this is totally going to backfire when all of us stop using DL... hope they come up with a better fix!

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sparrowhawk28

You know I did wonder how people were managing to get such fantastically high scores! But if that's how they choose to spend their time - and it'll still be taking quite a bit of time - then let them just get on with it and leave the rest of us in peace to do what we want to do on Duo! Which is to have fun and maybe learn something on the way! It's got to be a better way of spending half an hour than playing Angry Birds, hasn't it?

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Milena468921

I wouldn't even think of that... Thanks for the clarification! I wonder what these people benefit from doing such an exercise.... Anyway, I think there are much more smarter ways to prevent such sick behaviour, without affecting the normal users.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pmm123

If that's really the problem that caused Duo to change the system, it seems like hitting a fly with a hammer. There had to be a better way to handle it.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Splushkin

Duolingo should get rid of the leaderboards, they add absolutely nothing to the language learning. They just encourage binge learning and demotivate a lot of people.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CrimsonDawn3355

I agree. What's the big deal about the leaderboards anyway? Do people get points for that?

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Splushkin

Duolingo should allow people to opt out of the leaderboards this way test-out point reduction can be applied only to those who want to participate in the leaderboards. I really see no value in Andrioid leaderboards.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RowenaJane

But aren't the leaderboards only if you join a club which is entirely voluntary--?i actually find them very motivating - at least I did until the removed the XPs from test outs.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/travelgirl_ckp

i noticed this as well, and am confounded as to why duo would remove a gamification aspect that prods you willingly to try higher levels... when i would finish level 5, receiving 250 xp felt great. level 4 was 150 (i think), 3 was 100 (again, i think), etc...

receiving 20 for any one of them feels like it devalues trying to be successful for more difficult levels

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pmm123

I agree, it really is a motivator, not just to try higher levels, but to spend more time every day, because the tests add an element of challenge that the regular lessons don't have. I hope they change this back very soon.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/sparrowhawk28

I'm really disappointed in this. I'm running about 15 languages and get competitive with myself about attaining certain levels on each one. But at this rate, it's going to take bloody forever to level up on anything, so why bother? I'll just stick to my 10 points per day and go and do something else. Bah.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pmm123

The points for testing out encouraged me to work on more languages because I had the time to make some decent progress without slogging through every single individual lesson. Now that motivation is gone.

Testing out also motivated me to pay to be a Plus member, because it allowed me to test out on the iOS app. But if this change is permanent, I have no reason to continue to pay for Plus.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JACOBH94

Lingot given for this. I WILL be cancelling my plus at renewal if this isn't fixed and asking for account deletion at that point as well.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/CrimsonDawn3355

I agree. And to think that the lessons also get repetitive.

March 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Gustav07eodoro

Yeah ! I noticied it ! The levels on Android version has ended too.

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/belridetulo

what levels?

March 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SSD2004

When you push down the key button you level up, and normally if there are 6 levels you get 60 xp or if there are 10 levels you get 100xp, but now you only get 20 xp for every level you take.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Robgprice

I asked exactly the same question yesterday! All a bit miffed - but at least I know it's not just a problem with me.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Grant632872

I'm also starting to wonder why I keep my daily goal at 50XP.

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/alexbuenomoya

change it to 20xp...

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MoHO1exw

Already found the discussion on XP after testing out; possibility for feedback. Check: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31193643

March 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SSD2004

This is so annoying

March 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Maria897559

I see Duolingo have set up a post about this change asking for feedback.

March 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MoHO1exw

Maria897559, please post where I can find that! I'd love to give my feedback, hoping this will be reversed soon!!!

March 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rotimi_babalola

Where is it please?

March 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RowenaJane

Yes where is it please, I can't see it.

March 10, 2019
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