https://www.duolingo.com/sellers13

The Updates we actually want...

While Duolingo is facing controversy for the new change in XP for 'testing out' let's take a minute to brainstorm about the updates we actually want...

Pls note: I fully support and thanks Duolingo for everything this is not a moan it's just a list of suggestions so please no hate!!

Here are a few of my ideas...

  1. Develop different sentences for level 4 or 5 on a branch, so they don't become repetitive! EDIT:maybe more advanced vocab @LorenzoGabrini

  2. Create an initial popup at the start of each branches explaining what it is actually focused on including key grammar + vocab lists. (Also useful if you ever think what you're learning seems a bit random...) EDIT: to clarify I would like it to always initially come up to make me look at it and stop me from being lazy :-)

3.Should we have to type out answers on level 5 instead of just selecting the correct words? This might also mean awarding huge numbers of XP would definitely no longer be excessive as this would be definitely hard hard hard! EDIT: I am told this is the case on some languages already anyway

I will add any other ideas anyone else has onto the main post!

Wow you guys came up with a lot! Here are some of many in no particular order or importance...

-more useful phrases branches for the people who are bored of grammar -opportunity to redo/reset branches if forgotten lesson or just want to start over -warning to not translate literally word for word -full online keyboard for different languages -optional reminders to practice old skills to retain knowledge (there is a chrome extension that https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/30293964 you can use kindly linked by @HoeckerCarlos by below) -more bonus skills to buy with lingots -quizzes -vocab challenges against other members -option to turn off streaks, XP and lingots for all those people who need no extra motivation to learn (not me unfortunately XD) -pen pal system for connecting with users option to learn the alphabet or the different pronunciation (maybe this could be a bonus skill to buy with lingots) so you can spell your name -extension translation tasks for advanced users (although I know this will be incredibly hard for answers as this kind of things lends itself to a 1000 different correct translations...) -a way to turn off animations -audio available in both languages -option to type a detailed response when reporting errors -stories for more languages -chance to choose what skill to practice i.e. speaking, listening, reading or writing -the translation of words should include the pronoun as well e.g. quiero= I want not 'want' as this can create confusion otherwise... -option to choose whether to accept new updates

Also for @StarlitTardis I am creating a thread called things not to say in a foreign language as if you're anything like me you have an endless list of stupid mistakes you've made ;-) so no one else has to make them

3/9/2019, 9:55:38 PM

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https://www.duolingo.com/TravelingHeather

Higher levels should have more questions that force the user to translate from their native language into the target language, rather than the other way around.

3/9/2019, 11:28:37 PM

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Isn't that the case already for higher crown levels? I've not done much on Duo for a while, but I definitely recall it working that way.

3/11/2019, 3:23:57 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/merkavar

Isn’t from target language harder?

3/10/2019, 2:10:22 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Jaelzion
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Not for me. Translating from the target language requires you to recognize words that are presented to you. Translating into the target language means you have to come up with those words yourself. For me, that's more challenging. That's why I found the reverse Spanish-->English tree more helpful.

3/10/2019, 2:38:49 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/TravelingHeather

Precisely! That's the exact reason I do the reverse tree as well. It's unfortunate that one has to do the reverse tree in order to get more of that much needed experience though.

3/10/2019, 4:13:39 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

No way - to target language is much harder. You are not recognizing words but having to recall them - and the grammar.

3/10/2019, 2:48:38 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/testmoogle
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Isn’t from target language harder?

Do you mean because the translate from target language exercises require typing in your native language, whereas translate from native language exercises often only have the silly easy word blocks rather than requiring typing?

(I'm putting myself in an app user's shoes. I never use the app, so I might be wrong to assume the app still functions this way—and maybe only certain courses in the app don't/didn't have target language typing.)

For me, when I'm doing timed practice in the Japanese course, I actually agree that the from target language execises are harder! The English sentences require far more keystrokes than the subjectless Japanese ones (at least with my kana keyboard layout), so it consumes more of my remaining time to type the translate from target language answers. :P

Or do you mean from target language is harder for a different reason?

3/10/2019, 8:28:30 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade
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These are two things, the word blocks and the direction of translation. On the website, I can still turn off the word blocks entirely, and it is all typing for me (in my version of the stupid app, I couldn't choose).

Of course translating from the foreign language to the known one is much easier, but it surely has its place in the early levels. But the later ones should be entirely in the harder direction. (If you can actively recall something, you will passively recognize it too. If you recognize it, it is not sure you will be able to recall and use it).

It is a bit different for the very challenging distant languages with other script, such as Japanese. Just the recognition is harder in such a language and I know people who like their SRS with both directions of the translation. But that would require Duolingo to adapt the review mechanisms to each language it teaches, which I am not sure whether it would be possible.

3/11/2019, 10:43:58 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Killian356134

Hey! How does one turn off the word blocks on the website? I don't see the option listed anywhere on my settings...

3/16/2019, 11:47:43 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

It is on the question itself. "Use keyboard" or similar. Once you click it, it remembers.

3/16/2019, 6:18:56 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/NathanielW137190
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I shouldn't think so.

When translating into your mother tongue you only need to access the language you know and the one you don't is written out for you.

The other way around you need to recall a language you're not so good at.

3/11/2019, 11:16:31 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/ChevyBarnes05

One change I would like is: to get into phrases every once in a while. In Spanish, Phrases is the second skill. It's good to know some phrases around the beginning. If there was a Phrases skill every ten or so skills, it would be good. It's good to know the grammar and foundation, but sometimes, we just want to talk, and you don't necessarily go up to someone and say: these pants are pretty, the cat is big, the men wear t-shirts to work. Phrases are essential, but if grammar takes over, the fun sort of disappears. Just add some Phrases Skills every once and a while, please.

3/9/2019, 10:26:16 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/sapere__aude
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Great stuff!

It would also be nice if the courses had some kind of Dialogs or Conversations feature, different from the usual skills, where you could see the phrases used in action.

3/11/2019, 8:48:40 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/LorenzoCabrini
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Strongly agree with point #1. I actually like the idea of levels on each lesson, but the implementation is not the best. I find myself repeating the same thing that I learned on level 1, just more times.

Instead introduce a little more vocabulary for each level, and maybe even go from generic words on level 1 to fairly specific vocabulary by the time you get to level 5 (think from "snake" to "cottonmouth").

3/9/2019, 10:19:42 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/svrsheque

Instead introduce a little more vocabulary for each level, and maybe even go from generic words on level 1 to fairly specific vocabulary by the time you get to level 5 (think from "snake" to "cottonmouth").

do you realize that you can leave each skill at level 1 and move on to the rest of the course? this would mean that the vocab above level 1 would never be used downstream, or that the vast majority of the overall material would just sit there dormant, in case you come all the way back for your special snake

3/10/2019, 2:42:56 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/LorenzoCabrini
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Of course I realize that you can leave pass through the entire tree at level 1, before going back. I believe that is what I did with the Japanese tree.

Why would vocab above level 1 never be used downstread? It would work just fine, assuming that, on each level, you work yourself down the tree. So, a any given lesson on level 3, would be able to contain vocabulary for any upstream lesson up to level 3.

I am not sure what you mean with the second part of the sentence, the one about "material would sit there dormant", so I cannot comment on that. Obligatory filler argument, perhaps?

Also notice that it would not be a problem per se to review the more specialized vocabulary less (I am assuming that the higher the level, the more specialized vocaubulary gets introduced). That would just reflect everyday language usage. We use common words and expressions mostly, but switch to more specialized language when the situation requires it.

3/10/2019, 6:30:37 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/svrsheque

"obligatory filler argument"? remain ignorant then.

3/11/2019, 2:08:52 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/LorenzoCabrini
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Remain ignorant? So disagreeing with you makes a person ignorant? OK, fine. Let's look at your argument. "... or that the vast majority of the overall material would just sit there dormant, in case you come all the way back for your special snake"

So, let's say you are at level 3 of lesson X, you learn the new concepts A, B and C (I'll avoid snake references, since that seems to have triggered your little trauma). After I'm done, I keep moving on down the tree, making sure to regularly take the time to also go back and review old vocabulary. No dormant material, there.

You know, you may not have learned this yet, (your argumentative style, lacking in substance hints of a fairly young age), but in the real world you cannot hide the fact that you had nothing to say just by being rude.

I only offered a suggestion. If you disagree, that is fine, you are entitled to do so and I support your right to disagree. I would have suggested you go about your disagreeing in a non-confontational way, but OK, maybe life is frustrating you and you needed something to take it out on.

But don't come up with a completely empty argument and then accuse me of ignorance for pointing it out.

3/11/2019, 8:06:25 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/sapere__aude
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Harumph! Don't you dare speak so insultingly about my "special snake!"

3/11/2019, 8:50:33 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/LorenzoCabrini
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:)

3/12/2019, 5:50:58 AM

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***What is needed is a warning or signal when Duo presents a saying that is a idiom and the answer is not expected to be translated literally. I've seen this in the Spanish module over and over, and I'm sure it is present in other modules. It would better help us learn the idioms in other languages rather than confuse the heck out of us. Thanks.

3/10/2019, 6:32:21 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/StarlitTardis

I completely agree. It's quite annoying when Duo expects things to be translated literally for ages, then suddenly throws a non-literal sentence at us. Especially for people like myself (autistic), who might especially struggle with either literal or non-literal communication.

3/10/2019, 12:23:21 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/NathanielW137190
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Do mean idioms or just the pragmatics of a language?

3/11/2019, 11:17:35 AM

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I think it would be much better to have a "guided" translation, especially FROM target language, than to be simply guessing what sentence structure the sentence wants.

But this would be admitting a weakness on the part of Duo so I doubt they'd do it.

3/11/2019, 8:52:46 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/StarlitTardis

These are in no particular order.

1) I'd like to see more bonus skills, perhaps ones that you can buy with lingots. They could be topics that might only apply to certain people (meaning not everyone would need to learn them in the regular course), like: advanced terminology for certain jobs / scientific fields, terms that apply to specific communities / cultures, extra medical terminology, about dietary restrictions, emergency situations (I know it might not be pleasant to discuss things like assault, and that's why it should be bonus rather than obligatory, but it's vital for many people to know), household problems like broken plumbing, etc.

2) Quizzes of some kind might be fun and could break the repetition.

3) I wasn't keen on it when skills would visibly decay, as I like it when the whole course is the same colour. But I do like the idea of a reminder when you probably need to practise a certain skill. I'm not sure how else to implement that though.

4) I liked it when you could click on a skill, and instead of taking you straight to the next lesson, it went into a sort of sub-folder area where it showed lists of what terminology is included in each lesson. I wish they still showed those lists.

5) I personally probably wouldn't use timed practices much, but I think they should exist for others who want them.

6) The option to turn off things like the streak, lingots, and XP. For some people, those aspects are motivators; for others, they are annoying or make them feel demotivated if they lose their streak or something like that.

7) This is a random idea that just popped into my head, but maybe a sort of minigame where you can design your own avatar - but only if you can name each item (e.g. 'blue hair', 'stripy coat', etc) in your target language. That could be a good way to get people practising some basic adjectives and nouns. I think minigames in general, that still test your vocab / grammar, could keep things interesting. One of the main problems for me with this site is getting bored. Things like the stories help, but it would be nice to have other things too. These could cost lingots too (there really should be more to spend lingots on).

8) Some kind of mentor or pen-pal like thing, where people who are learning each others' native languages can chat, or where native speakers can help learners.

9) Questions where you have to translate hand-written sentences, rather than typed ones. This could be an extra challenge.

10) A skill at the beginning of each course (that needs it) where you learn the alphabet of that language and how to pronounce it. The Welsh alphabet is different to the English one, but that doesn't seem to be mentioned in the course. And I know some alphabets look the same but are pronounced differently.

11) In wordbank questions, I don't think they should have the first word of the sentence capitalised (as they often do), as this can make it obvious which word comes first.

12) Some longer paragraphs of text to translate, for those who are more advanced. Or something a bit more abstract, like poetry.

13) A way to give lingots, or something else, to the people who make the courses. I know they're just lingots, but I'd like to give them something as thanks.

14) Videos that you have to answer questions about in your target language.

15) An option to turn off animations, such as the confetti animation and XP circle whizzing round. I have sensory processing disorder, and those sudden motions can be quite unpleasant for me.

16) Warning about what NOT to say in each language. I know this could be difficult, since Duo probably don't want to include swear words and whatnot, but it would be helpful to at least mention some things to avoid.

3/10/2019, 12:22:17 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/NathanielW137190
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These are really good. Except 16.

3/11/2019, 12:57:58 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/StarlitTardis

Note: I am not saying they should implement every single one of these. They're just ideas. Also, no need to add all of these to the post. I know that could take a while!

3/10/2019, 12:30:23 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/sellers13

I just created a post citing a couple of the worst mistakes I've made that you definitely SHOULDN'T SAY! It's linked here https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31221114 If anyone has any they want to share please do...

3/10/2019, 10:38:29 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/MckayWhiting

I really agree with 1, 2, 3, 8, 11, 12, and 14

3/11/2019, 12:08:29 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

2.Create an initial popup at the start of each branches explaining what it is actually focused on including key grammar + vocab lists

Use the web - there are tips and notes for most skills.

Should we have to type out answers on level 5 instead of just selecting the correct words

Are they allowing the word bank at level 5??? Frankly, I turned it off long ago. The word bank is only suitable for level 1 - if that. You learn little sliding tiles around. (As someone said you can often get it right without even reading what you are meant to be translating)

3/10/2019, 12:48:48 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade
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Unfortunately, this has a lot to do with the A/B testing and various versions of Duolingo.

Some people lost the tips and notes in their website Duolingo. And I lost the option to turn the work bank off in the app, alongside losing the option to test out. I deleted the app, the other option was to delete half my brain and use it.

I'd say testing stuff out by actually letting people choose from varous settings would be a better strategy, than just throw lots of random choices on people who may not benefit from them at all.

3/10/2019, 5:57:25 PM

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"I lost the option to turn the word bank off in the app."

That's disgusting.

Their design team should show some belief in their own executive decisions. Not everything has to be decided by the flux of usage statistics in an A/B test. Sometimes you have to say "This way will be best for users" and leave it at that.

3/11/2019, 8:58:47 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade
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They should just leave the choice to the users. There could be several settings and people would turn the functions on and off and happily learn without complaining.

A large part of user complaints is like "I liked this function, but now I am in the wrong A/B and have something else or nothing instead". Why not just offer individual settings?

The newbie learner will go for the recommended choices. The learner already knowing more about their best ways to learn will choose.

The options could still offer metrics to what do the users pick and how much they use the app/website. But Duolingo prefers to just throw stuff at people in the A/B tests and measure at what point we give up and go elsewhere.

It is about either treating the users as customers, or as lab rats.

I would gladly return fully to Duolingo for a few months and pay, if the Plus included the personalised choices. (For more than a few months, if there was much more content in the courses and it would be worth it to not test out for me.) It would seem fair. You learn for free and Duolingo uses you for experiments. Or you pay, and Duolingo treats you as a valued customer instead.

3/11/2019, 10:38:59 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/ngraner42
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I am not convinced that the word bank is a bad idea. It is certainly way easier, but it increases your rate of exposure. I initially did my French tree by typing. I would get a question wrong until I had basically memorized the response, including spelling, that they wanted. It was pretty frustrating and made getting through a lesson much harder. I am now doing Spanish with tiles and am moving quicker and enjoying it more. It is possible that my understanding is progressing faster than French. We will see.

3/10/2019, 6:16:06 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

until I had basically memorized the response, including spelling

If you can spell it, you can recall it. I found with the tiles I could recognize words but never spell them - and therefore never say them.

3/10/2019, 9:06:09 PM

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For me personally, typing on the phone is such a hassle (in particular if you need extra accents etc.) that I'm quite thankful for the word bank. I'm pretty sure I would be using Duo a lot less, if it wasn't available.

On the PC, however, I really prefer to type. It's usually much faster, too.

3/11/2019, 12:39:00 PM

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Allowing the word bank at level 5 depends on the language on the PC. I never had the option at level 5 for most true alphabet languages like Spanish, Russian or Greek (thank goodness!), but languages with different types of alphabets like Japanese, Hebrew and Hindi do allow it on level 5. (I don’t understand why Duo doesn’t have a full online keyboard either through a third party or built into the site... that would be way more useful than a word bank for the higher levels.).

On the app, all languages have a word bank available for all levels, which is why I rarely use the app now.

3/10/2019, 5:06:45 PM

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Seems to me it'd be better to install the appropriate keyboard.

I'm against word banks. Forming a sentence when you're being prompted for the next word is a million miles removed from using the language spontaneously.

3/11/2019, 10:03:37 AM

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I think how much you learn using the word bank depends very much on the language, the course and your own skill level. Typing translation and using the word bank can be like two different games that require slightly different skills, and are both beneficial to your overall proficiency.

3/11/2019, 12:49:36 PM

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I think the that word bank should remain an option. I turned off the word bank for French and Spanish but I have used it for Level 2 of the German course. (It wasn't available when I finished the German course first time.)

Frankly, I have so much trouble with word order and with cases in German, that using the word bank helps me concentrate on those things. I can always go back and review a lesson with the word bank turned off.

3/11/2019, 1:38:42 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade
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I am here, because I still like Duolingo despite its faults. It is partially nostalgia, there are more efficient tools. Some of its functions are great, and Duolingo really was a revolutionary product in its time. But I think it is not improving and it is sad, as there has been so much potential in it. What I think would help a lot:

1.Give all the options to everyone in the settings instead of the stupid constant A/B tests. Let the users decide, whether we want to test out, to read tips and notes, to do the word banks or type out, or to be included in the Leagues. Everyone will choose their best combination and be happy with your product. Either accept that learners are diverse (with various background, various other learning tools etc) and build on it, or just tell us before signing up that Duolingo is meant just for one specific part of the audience and which one you think that is. The Xp change and some of the explanations currently look like a too late published "faster learners not welcome" sign.

2.Improve the content, add more stuff (that was the point behind the crowns, no?), also redesign some of the courses better.If people test out of a certain section of a tree a lot, it is probably too slow. If they take weirdly long and make a lot of mistakes, it probably could be taught better. You have tons of useful metrics. How about using them not only for PR but also for improvement of the courses?

3.You pay a lot of money to the designers, to the IT people, surely to the marketing people, you are definitely not a poor start up anymore. Invest in the content too. Look at Lingodeer and Kwiziq, it is possible to create content up to B1 or even higher and really compete with the traditional paper based resources. You've been focusing on the gaming functions and design (with better and worse results) a lot and forgot to focus on what matters the most. Also, the course volunteers have complained about Duo staff and functions often not being too helpful. These people have built your success, value their work and support them! When you pay for professionally made trees, make sure they are good (if I remember well, there were complaints about a dumbed down German tree some time ago, and the French professional tree is not universally seen as better than the volunteered one either).

4.When it comes to paying for Duolingo: treat your Plus users better, give them more. Why would anyone want to join the paying crowd? The only advantage is the ads removal, but there are not better functions, no new content. No way to opt out of nonsense changes, some people are asked to basically pay twice for their test outs in their apps. And the paying users don't get more info about changes either. They pay for a giraffe and suddenly notice they've got a zebra instead.

5.Take the feedback seriously. Not only now, with the weird Xp change. When it came to your app redesign, you openly told people that you saw criticism just as a loud and emotional way to show we love the product so much, or something like that. Not only was that highly disrespectful. But some of the complaints were definitely legitimate and still got no answer. The too small font in the asian language courses and not too big even in the other courses is an accessibility issue, not a matter of personal taste. The app with an owl screen loading all the time and the rest of the upgrades worked slower. And so on. A bit of communication and fixing the problems, when possible, that would be great. This is something we miss most times.

6.Don't just throw new and new features on the users without communication and without thinking them through. If you look into some of the discussions about the Leagues (which are a problem exactly because they suddenly make people care about how others learn too much), people are now confused what are the normal features and what is "cheating", or what metrics are meant to be used and which should be considered obsolete.

3/10/2019, 6:38:24 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/MckayWhiting

I totally agree with all of this

3/10/2019, 11:56:29 PM

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I agree. One thousand percent.

This cuts deeper than "I want THIS or THAT" and is about the right way to run a service.

3/11/2019, 9:02:58 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/JenniferMi131405

I'd like to bring back some sort of visible indicator of decay, at the moment you can't see any effect of using the practice (although hopefully you notice yourself remembering more from early lessons). It discourages you from using it so there's a danger of just focusing on levelling up a skill all at once instead of using spaced repetition to get it in to your long term memory, which is what I thought the whole point was!

Access to tips in the app, and some more instruction in the app - so the first time you see a new grammatical construct you automatically see an explanation first without checking the tips - would be great.

3/10/2019, 10:28:30 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/HoeckerCarlos
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You can use a chrome extension for that!
look at this forum: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/30293964

It works very well!

PS: the spaced repetition system in Duolingo has been always broken, you can see it when you look at the "words" tab.

3/10/2019, 6:24:00 PM

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I am not in favour of bringing back decay. A section with long test exercises, that would show your mean (or median if you wish) score from th previous 10 exercises would give a meaningful measure of one's level, whereas the decay method says little about your skill level.

3/10/2019, 6:47:20 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/ChevyBarnes05

I agree on the first one, the second one is already present (if you click on the skill, and then the lightbulb. It gives you a rundown on the grammar and learning). Number 3 is a good idea. The sentences are a little repetitive, and we basically remember the sentences of by heart, rather than the words meanings themselves.

3/9/2019, 10:19:47 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/alpha3099

Not on iOS

3/9/2019, 11:46:34 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/ChevyBarnes05

What's not on iOS? The lightbulb?

3/10/2019, 12:08:25 AM

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Indeed, the lightbulb is missing in iOS.

3/10/2019, 1:07:03 PM

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Maybe it is based on the language. In iOS, I still have the lightbulb in some of the Spanish skills and all of the Chinese skills, but not on any of the Portuguese or Greek skills.

3/10/2019, 11:01:58 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/t20f7gYt
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It's not available on the Android version, which is arguably the worst of it's shortcomings.

3/11/2019, 12:53:05 PM

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Being able to move the red/green notice that pops up after an answer. When I first started on the app, that notice could be moved aside to check why an answer was wrong or right. That's no longer the case.

3/10/2019, 5:35:39 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/CliveAmos

Or align the pop-up to the bottom of the screen above the "Continue" bar. It's really annoying not to know whether the error was the wrong word, wrong order or a typo.

3/11/2019, 5:30:05 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/CliveAmos

Further to this, the popup bubble is now working and can be moved up and down. Might have been a temporary glitch. ??? I'm a happy camper once again.

3/12/2019, 6:14:12 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/bookrabbit
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The best updates would be to make audio available for the sentences in both languages so that people doing reverse trees can hear what they are learning.

and to have functional voice recognition system. As it stands the traffic has a better chance of getting speaking exercises right than I do!

Also we need to able to skip questions where the answer is wrong instead of having to memorise incorrect sentences. Or at least have a button to report errors in the from language. With the word bank you can't always make a correct sentence to report as correct and in courses with lots of poor English the comments may not be being read by the right people.

And we need to be able to zoom in to read accents. The text is just too small for those with less than perfect eyesight.

3/10/2019, 5:02:48 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/sellers13

Have you tried using the desktop version to zoom in? If you use a computer you can easily alter the zoom using settings in chrome or other internet browsers with a quick internet search.

3/10/2019, 9:58:43 PM

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I don't have a computer. Just a kindle fire. The browser will zoom any website except duolingo. They no longer support the app which had a better layout so the browser is the only option now.

3/12/2019, 1:57:28 PM

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Here’s my list:

  • More bonus skills! Please allow that Duo!

  • Showing the tips and notes automatically before the first lesson of every skill would be super helpful. I do that manually a lot of the time. But also maybe have a page for all the unlocked tips & notes in one place?

  • Please consider an online keyboard popup. I’d be okay if it’s through a third party like the TTS voices, as long as it works I’d be happy.

Oh, and bring Duo’s costumes back. I miss my butler Duo; he was so helpful, keeping me on track, making sure I reached my daily goal! Now Duo is just in the background talking about random facts and telling me how many answers I got right in a row. :(

3/10/2019, 5:27:39 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/HoeckerCarlos
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I would like to have the ability to reset to zero individual skills and even entire sections.

And a practice button on every skill, like before the crowns.

Edit: how about expanding the levels to 30, 50 or maybe 100?

3/10/2019, 6:49:24 PM

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I also would like to be able to reset sections. I did German for a year, than had to take a year off, so starting again on the higher levels would be better for me.

3/11/2019, 10:40:49 PM

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They need to bring back Immersion and Activity Centers, finish getting rid of Health on iOS, and remove the requirement to complete skills in any particular order, so that testing out is not necessary.

3/10/2019, 9:41:48 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/CatherineHawkins

Sigh. I miss Immersion, too.

3/10/2019, 9:57:06 PM

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I'd like to point out that at least one of these features already exists - on Duome.

Ex: if I go on https://duome.eu/ARCANA-MVSA/progress and click on a skill icon, I can see the Tips and Notes (which is, in fact, the description of the grammar and whatnot that you're about to learn - although some languages need to take up another skill as well to store this on, because it can be quite lengthy) and a list of all the vocabulary in that skill. This is available on both computer and mobile browsers; you can bookmark your individual page for future reference. This example is mine.

What would really be nice was if Tips and Notes was available for all languages on the DL app. It's a real mystery why it's only available in-app (on Android, at least) for two languages at present.

I also (kindly) disagree with the pen-pal idea. There's plenty of other apps for that. iTalki, Speaky, and Conversation Exchange to name a few.

For things I would like, it would be nice to have full audio for certain courses - some languages, like Irish, cannot be synthesized using a computer, so the recordings have to be done by hand - and to have more speaking lessons (however useless they may be) for the rest, as a means of improving one's pronunciation. As an add-on to that, I saw somewhere an idea where they might have a retry button for if one misses the pronunciation, as a further aid towards improvement. (Currently, if you miss a speaking quiz, it disappears and you don't get the chance to retry it.)

I also would like to see stories for more languages. Only around four or five languages have the option of doing stories on DL, which is depressing because the stories are actually really good practice - and the stories themselves aren't bad. So maybe give the volunteers the chance to help make those stories possible? That would be great!

Volgav vitsenanieff nivya kevach varatsach.

3/12/2019, 2:08:18 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/sea-mist

"3.Should we have to type out answers on level 5 instead of just selecting the correct words?"

Turn your word bank off if you want it harder. People usually turn it off when they do not need it any more, most of us do that early. I did not use mine at all after the first couple of weeks here.

For your 2. vocab list and grammar for lesons. that's already all available.https://www.duome.eu/sellers13/progress and click the light globes to the lessons.

edit. oh no that was wrong, I just saw the spanish course is different and just has not got hints and tips done for nearly every lesson as in the German course Im doing shown here https://www.duome.eu/sea-mist/progress

As far as your number 1 point goes.. consider that everyone is different and some need a lot of going over things, much repetition. There are many older people at this site and people with disabilities like myself who are also trying to learn languages and hence need the lots of repetition. For me it's perfect the way it is. It takes me doing daily right to even level 3 or level 4 before I have the lesson ingrained in my head and then I use the last level for when duome.eu shows me that I need to review.

3/10/2019, 1:24:13 PM

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More variety and less repetition could help, especially is the repetition rate could be varied. I tested through the skills, and found that Level 5 did not teach much beyond what we had already covered. We could do with two level 5s. One testing basic grammar and vocabulary as now, and the other with more varied and interesting material. Or we could just have harder mixed work in tests, rather than doing it for each skill. I have been rather disappointed with level 5 as it is. Currently I am using mainly Treccani for Italian, doing little French, and just testing through a skill daily in German, which just takes 5 minutes. My French and German are refreshers. Italian I learnt from scratch, starting with Duolingo.

3/10/2019, 6:43:57 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/jeffery66

As to #1 on the list, I think the spaced repetition is very effective. Perhaps boring to some, but for it is helpful.

3/10/2019, 9:28:19 PM

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Personally I'm 100% for 86ing the crowns method and going back to maintaining a health bar for each skill after completing it

3/10/2019, 10:37:59 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Nyarlath

An appreciated feature would be a democratic selection for the features to come (or at least a little value given to the opinion of the majority of the community, as for the moment there is none).

3/10/2019, 10:54:54 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/WinterSoldier.

One change I would like is to get rid of leagues and leaderboards

3/10/2019, 11:48:15 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/MckayWhiting

Integrating Stories, Quizzes and Tinycards into the actual Tree. Maybe in a little section once every 10ish skills. I have found all of these to be really effective and give a little variety.

3/10/2019, 11:49:24 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/StarlitTardis

Thought of another one: better options for reporting errors on the picture questions. I noticed that, if a picture question is incorrect in any way, there isn't always an accurate option explaining what's wrong with it.

3/11/2019, 8:24:50 AM

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There are some updates I would like to see, but they aren't based so much on the mechanics of Duolingo but more on communication issues.

  1. It would be great if this thread could get two additional, sticky threads so that in here ideas are collected. The second one would be to collect them and users can vote for them by giving Lingots to the ones they would love to see on Duolingo. The third would be for the most famous where the Developers and other Duolingo-Staff can comment on the idea itself or progress for implementing them.

  2. I totally understand that you cannot roll out certain updates for everyone at once i.e. that you need to test them and need controll groups. But maybe there is a way to silence the users who are always whining around every update. Give users the possibility to opt-in for every new update in beta testing with the responsibility to comment on them. In a constructive way. That should please a good lot of the complainers and silence the non-constructive-ones.

  3. Use making.duolingo.com more. It is a great blog but far to rarely used. I don't see why you couldn't and shouldn't include an update backlog with short explanations on new and changed features to Duolingo.

  4. Please change something on the inflational Lingots-System.

3/11/2019, 10:00:34 AM

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I would like audio only translations from target language to native language, i.e. TRANSLATE what you hear, instead of just type what you hear questions. When the audio and written is mixed, I end up just reading the sentence, which you can't do if you were translating for someone in real life.

3/11/2019, 9:07:18 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

In real life (unless you are a translator - which is way beyond what DL offers) you don't translate - but rather respond in the same language. And this, I feel, is a big hole in what DL offers (but understandable considering how many ways one could respond to a question or statement).

What the "type what you hear" questions do achieve is checking you can understand spoken speech. Do you hear all the sounds? Do you understand that even if you don't hear it there is a "s" on the end of "fils" or what verb form was used.

3/11/2019, 9:44:38 PM

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I get that, but I also need to understand what you're saying. I may understand all the words, but if I don't know or remember what they mean, then it does me no good. I've had that happen to me on several of those questions where I recognized the word or phrase when I heard it, but I didn't remember what it meant.

3/11/2019, 9:49:50 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/SeanRus

My biggest wish is that the hover-hint not just showed you the translation of the foreign word but also the case it is in.

This would make reverse-engineering phrases to understand case usage a LOT easier.

Additionally, it would be great if the translations were more literal and not so random. It's incredibly frustrating to be forced into thinking in terms of colloquial English when I'm trying to learn Russian.

eg. Russian Literal word-for-word translation - "Sit where you want." Duo's translation - "Sit wherever you like."

The Russian phrase used the word "want" and it translate 100% fine into english. Why not use that phrase?

Having to think in your native language slows down your comprehension of the foreign one and that's where Duo really fails imo. Duo needs to relax on their grammar rules for your native tongue.

3/12/2019, 2:02:47 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

The case won't always help unless you know what meaning is associated with which case for the verb.

3/12/2019, 2:29:03 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/pixelXninja

I agree on the second one

3/9/2019, 9:59:26 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/ChevyBarnes05

Already present. Click on the skill, then the lightbulb. It explains the skill, grammar, and why it's needed.

3/9/2019, 10:20:52 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/merkavar
  1. People already complain that they get new questions they hadn’t seen before. Would adding s bunch to crown 4/5 make more complain?

  2. Yeah probably helpful. Like the light bulb system?

  3. Don’t we already have to type out a lot in crown 5? So do you mean 100% typing?

3/10/2019, 2:09:30 AM

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If we did not get new questions, we would not learn much. The gaming is there to support the language learning, not the other way round.

3/10/2019, 6:54:21 PM

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Number three. We already have to do lots of typing on level 4 and 5. What are you on about? The level 5 questions are all typing for me.

3/10/2019, 5:54:39 AM

https://www.duolingo.com/CatherineHawkins

Your suggestion #1 is excellent. New sentences and new vocabulary at levels 4 and 5 would be much more challenging and interesting than more repetitions of the same exercises.

3/10/2019, 9:56:07 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

I'd suggest bringing the new vocab in a little earlier - say level 3 - so you get to practice that too.

3/10/2019, 10:59:46 PM

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1) An option to select which of the four skills you want to focus on (reading, writing, speaking or listening) and more questions on translating what you here rather than simply transcribing it. Also, pronunciation without them saying for you at first.

2) Some kind of week long strike freeze. Someone might go on vacation to somewhere with zero wi-fi or something and it would be a pity to lose a strike that way. Even if it costs 1000 lingots, it should still be there.

3) I find it strange how the courses are ordered. I would think that you would learn restaurant vocabulary very early on. But my French course is yet to teach me "Je voudrais" (I would like) even though I'm on level 18.

4) I sort of miss the fluency meter. But I get why those are really imprecise.

5) More identification from pictures beyond the first level of a subject.

3/11/2019, 1:06:29 PM

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1.Well, I turned off some kinds of the exercises already, since they are so much worse than the translation ones. The computer voices are not good, and the speech recognition doesn't work much (a few times, I had to make a mistake typical of the English natives to be considered correct. I know someone who had his cough taken as the correct answer). I'd personally say Duo should do fewer things better, rather than many not well, but that is just an opinion. Definitely the options for the learners to choose from should be available and on all the platforms, I agree.

2.There is a streak freeze, 10 lingots for one day. But perhaps longer freezes could be helpful.

3.Well, I actually think this is actually a good thing about Duolingo, that the course creators try to teach the basics of the language in a non-touristy order. The focus on touristy situations includes a lot of grammar too early on and it is a problem in many courses and classes. The French learners in the "communicative" classes tend to complain about this a lot. They get tons of touristy language early on but definitely cannot have everything explained properly at that point. So, they often think French is completely illogical and without rules and just about memorisation and are very discouraged by this. I'd say Duolingo's method to not do this makes sense. I'd say ordering in a restaurant can wait till you are ready for the basics of the conditional instead of memorising "je voudrais" out of grammatical context.

But you are demonstrating one of the problems here, caused by confusing communication from Duolingo: the xp level has nothing to do with how far in a course you are, isn't reliable, and has been recently a source of problems in the community because of the stupid leagues. You expect something from being at that level, but you are not getting it. Either the Xp should be reworked, or gotten rid of.

4.I hated that, it was causing only problems. The Crowns would work as a metric of how far in the course we are, but they would need a bit more work. The "fluency" also indicated how far in the course you were, nothing more. It has nothing to do with overall language skills, saying it was "imprecise" is a huge understatement.

5.Please no. But again, this is why we should have more options as the users. You would pick to have more of them, I would pick to have none.

3/11/2019, 6:11:35 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Jasmine200095

More Labs (stories, podcasts, etc.) in other languages would be great

3/11/2019, 5:30:57 PM

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Many people below have said they want additional lessons and/or specialized vocabulary. I propose that that for e.g. 500 lingots, you specify either a topic ("castles" ) or provide 8 related vocabulary words ("moat, courtyard, sword, fortress, palace, tower, wall, drawbridge"), and Duolingo creates that skill. Then for e.g. 50 lingots, other users could buy the right to unlock it. This would provide users with the ability to get targeted vocabulary, and a useful way to spend large amounts of lingots. It would also be a way to build the Duolingo community: if someone else spends their hard-earned lingots on e.g. a "mountain climbing" lesson, then it would be a way to share something he or she is interested in with everyone else. It would also be a way to break up hard grammar topics into easier pieces: e.g. someone could buy "dative adjective declensions for German" [trust me, it's a nightmare], and then other users who want to wrestle with that topic could unlock it.

3/11/2019, 5:37:50 PM

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Having been a contributor and having some idea of how much work goes into creating a skill - this sounds great in theory but isn't close to realistic in real life. Contributors can't just create new skills at the drop of a hat.

3/11/2019, 5:51:46 PM

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Fair enough, thank you for the perspective. Ok, how about this variation: once every three months (or however often Duolingo thinks it could generate a new skill), Duolingo auctions the right for the winner to determine the skill and language. Variation #2: Duolingo has a dutch auction to determine the top 10 language/skill proposals, then users could spend up to 100 lingots voting for their favorite in a one-week voting event.

3/11/2019, 6:04:16 PM

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Yeah, something like that would be more realistic, though I doubt it will happen. Apart from the problem of implementing, Duo has never been into the idea of letting users choose content for themselves. Apart from immersion, which didn't last.

Personally, I'd like to see them develop stories - add more for the current languages and expand them to other languages.

3/11/2019, 6:20:19 PM

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The additional sentences most people agree on wishing to see are not necessarily about new vocabulary. I actually think many of the courses teach a lot of vocabulary. And they superficially touch quite a lot of grammar. But the amount of practice sentences is too small.

Unlike adding tons of new skills, which Theron126 knows more about than us and says it is very complicated, adding a few thousand new sentences would actually not be that much of a problem. It would require more man power and time, so it might not be possible for the volunteers (who are doing awesome job in their free time!), but it would be definitely possible for Duolingo by either hiring people or helping get more volunteers (as today, the volunteers themselves are responsible for teaching all the new volunteers and that is a lot of work).

More variations on the same sentences and combinations of the already taught bits could actually help really learn the content and not just memorise examples, which definitely happens in some of the skills.

3/11/2019, 6:16:48 PM

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"Very complicated" is a bit of an overstatement. To add a lesson, you need a list of words. For every one of these words, you need at least three sentences, which can only use words already taught in the course (and thinking of sentences can be hard, especially in the earlier skills). Then you need to think about all the possible translations, in both directions. (I don't think I'm revealing any secrets here)

I like your idea rather more, but I'm afraid you're going to be talking about paid work, so I don't see Duo going there. There's also a problem that the current framework doesn't allow adding sentences into an existing course, the only way to do it is build a new tree.

3/11/2019, 6:28:46 PM

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Why not? They are already paying for a French tree, they had professionals for one version of the German tree in the past (which I am not sure was received well), so it is not about Duolingo never hiring course makers. Another user in the main thread about the Xp change quoted information from a hiring website, that Duolingo actually offers very well paid jobs. To anyone except for the course creators. So hiring people should not be any problem, if Duolingo considered the content quality to be a priority.

Thanks for the information. I didn't know adding new sentences was impossible, that is clearly impractical. But thinking of new sentences that would not require a huge reorganisation of the tree wouldn't be that hard, even just substitution in the existing sentences could be great. And the early skills are not the ones most in need of new sentences, in my opinion. It is the later avalanche of too superficially practiced grammar, which would profit from the addition the most, I'd say.

But of course, it would all need lots of work with implementation of every sentence and every possible answer to it.

I'd say paying the good course makers we already have as volunteers could be an option, if Duolingo wanted. It might be better than hiring professionals, who may not have had anything to do with Duolingo and may have very different idea than the users.

3/11/2019, 6:38:11 PM

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Oh, I stand corrected then :-) I'm pretty much in agreement with you. I'd just add that a lot of the volunteers likely have fairly good stable jobs and might not be eager to switch to Duo full-time. Plus, Duo may offer well-paid jobs, but if you have in mind paid contributors for all courses, then you're talking hundreds of employees. I wonder how much revenue Duo actually has to support that many people.

3/11/2019, 6:50:03 PM

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Of course, it is just one of the options and I never thought that everyone would like to do this as their job. It would be huge on a big scale, my imagination hasn't gotten that far. But even one or two improved courses could already be wonderful and show whether this makes sense or not.

It simply looks weird, that Duolingo is willing to pay people for marketing, IT, design,... and not for the courses. And when they finally do, the result is not something unanimously applauded as so much better.

I think a huge unknown factor is the real potential of Duolingo. People are willing to pay for high quality content, for example Lingodeer seems to be starting quite well, and Duolingo would have a lot of advantage over all the others (years of marketing and millions of users). But Duolingo doesn't offer that. It may be the best on the "free" app market. If it improved the product, perhaps they'd get many more paying users too.

But this is where my doubts really start. I don't find it improbable, that Duolingo's business plan includes more likely the newbie beginners just wanting to play, not worrying about the results (because they don't know what to expect and demand), and seeing lots and lots of ads. Who knows. If that is the plan, quality of the courses is secondary and paying people just for the design and marketing makes sense, with the volunteers' courses being just the bait.

3/11/2019, 10:24:27 PM

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I'm rather inclined to think that your last paragraph is sadly very close to the truth.

3/11/2019, 10:37:09 PM

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  1. I think there should be a list of proper answers. Very often it turns out that there is only one answer and answers containing synonyms are deemed wrong.
  2. There should not be very long sentences at levels 1 and 2. I am always annoyed when I have to struggle with a 15-word sentence very early in the tree.
  3. I think there should be skills dealing with syntax. So far we have skills based on vocabulary or tenses but subordination, coordination, various conjunction, adjuncts, connectors, fillers etc. are not explained.
  4. There might be a connection between wrong answers and points one earns. Why does a person who passed a test with all three hearts get the same amount of points as a person who lost them?
  5. Similarly with the app vs. PC. There are much easier sentences on the app and less of them than on the PC.
3/11/2019, 11:34:31 PM

https://www.duolingo.com/Judit294350

1.I think there should be a list of proper answers. Very often it turns out that there is only one answer and answers containing synonyms are deemed wrong.

They are slowly correcting this. There are literally thousands of translations for some sentences - so don't get too upset if they have only so far added 900.

3/11/2019, 11:43:25 PM

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Strongly agree with 3

3/10/2019, 7:45:42 AM

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I agree with having some more advances sentences for each level.

3/11/2019, 12:04:08 AM

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I am kindof amazed they haven't brought back some form of spaced repetition system to let you know when you're getting rusty on a skill. I've had to open Duolingo.com and duome.eu every day since they switched to the crown system just to figure out what skills need reviewing. We shouldn't have to be checking two sites to get information all built into one.

3/13/2019, 3:34:56 AM
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