https://www.duolingo.com/SamuelEndr2

Continue Testing Out and Ignoring Levels

Hello to everyone who is reading this,

I am pretty new here, but despite that I am enjoying my time here. Still this new change that slashes XP in Test-Out drastically is rather jarring. And I am well aware that probably some, if not many will now do more lessons instead of testing out to gain the max level.

You shouldn't.

I was thinking about it too, doing more lessons and stop testing out, but then I realized that it would only harm my own progress and fun on this site. So I made a decision.

Levels and XP are now irrelevant to me. Crowns are all that counts.

I'm not going to change my learning habits around this new update. So levels lose meaning to me now and I will just continue on leaving them on the wayside as I continue to learn languages the way I want. And I advise each one to do the same. Learn in whatever pace you want to and don't change your learning habits and accept this new change.

I really don't want to seek conflict. Believe me. But I also won't adjust and do more lessons seeing as this is probably a goal of the change too. More lessons means more ads are viewed after all, so I don't believe this change is just because of an abuse of the XP system.

With that in mind I get back to learning on my own pace.

Best regards

Samuel

March 12, 2019

18 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/skyflakes95
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You've got the right spirit! When there's a change, always find ways to adapt and make it work for you.

And you're right, if you're able to test out, it does you no good to go through all the repetitive levels. Testing out cuts out what's not necessary for you, and it frees you up so you can use the practice button every now and then. Practicing the old material regularly over time is more helpful than repeating the same sentences over and over in one sitting and never looking at them again.

March 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Linda7Italian

Hi. I like your last sentence which says it all. It's really all about what suits you best and how much you learn. With some fun thrown in as well, of course. Ciao...

March 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Zig_Zag_Wanderer

I completely agree

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Duo_Adviser123

Cool. Sounds good. I realized that as well when I was testing out of a subject recently. It kinda stinks that they lowered the amount that is earned. I think that you're doing a great job with just sticking to what you believe in.

March 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/bigbenisboss

Thanks for the encouragement friend. :)

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/jzsuzsi
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I would give the opposite advice. Do not care about crowns, do the lessons in the slow way. You learn more that way. (If it is really boring and repetitive, then test out. )

The practice you get after the full gold skill does not contain as many typing as for example between level 4 and 5. (At least this post said so: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/31179499 )

So if you jump, you miss out the most challenging, thus most useful lessons.

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/bookrabbit
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Agreed plus you don't need to do all the lessons at the same time and get bored by them. Just keep coming back every so often to solidify your memory of the words and fix the pattern and flow of the language in your head. I find that I notice something different every time I go back. Had I tested out I would have missed so much! I still find the trees useful after years of use. Don't waste them by rushing. The practice sessions are not as focused and actually throw you back to less complex sentences than if you work through all the upper level ones.

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/86M9cHre
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I completely agree. This is an annoying change. You should be able to use this to rate Your knowledge of the Language. Either learned through duolingo or previously.

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson
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That's what the placement test is for.

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/milanezi
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"But I also won't adjust and do more lessons seeing as this is probably a goal of the change too. More lessons means more ads are viewed after all, so I don't believe this change is just because of an abuse of the XP system."

Yep, that's pretty much it. I'll keep testing out myself, the only difference now is that DL is no longer an exception in my ad blocker.

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LusAurlioC
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I want ot achieve to level 25. I am freezing my tree while the Duolingo not revert this!

March 12, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/hanspersson
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There are lots of other games for you.

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LusAurlioC
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I agree... Duolingo is BORING! Duolingo is UNFAIR!

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/juliet569059

I’m right here with you my friend

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ken482461
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It is what it is...

March 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/A.Gustafson

I'm not really understanding this whole XP, Crowns, Levels, etc. situation that I am continually hearing about in the forum? Can some one clear this up please or sum it up?

March 14, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/skyflakes95
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There's your overall level for a course, that's the number that appears next to the language flag. I can see that you're at level 7 in French. That level is determined by XP (experience points.) As you earn more XP, you level up in the course all the way up to level 25.

XP is earned through doing exercises on Duolingo. Currently, completing a lesson or regular practice session is worth 10XP. Completing a timed practice session is worth up to 20XP (depending on how many questions you're able to answer correctly in the limited time). Testing out of a crown level is worth 20XP.

The crown level is the number that appears on each individual skill icon in the skill tree. Each skill has 5 crown levels, and each crown level is made up of a set of lessons (the number of lessons varies). You can complete a crown level either by doing all the lessons in the level, or you can click on the key icon for that skill and test out of the lessons. You'll notice that the lower crown levels have few lessons (usually around 3-4 lessons to achieve level 1) and the number of lessons increases with each level (up to 40-50 to achieve level 5). So going through the lessons, you can rack up hundreds of XP per crown level. The total number of crowns you've earned shows up in the crown shape on the upper right corner of your homepage.

Duolingo has only been using the crown system for about 1 year. Before this, there were no crown levels. Each skill just had a set of between 1 to around 10 lessons, so doing the lessons gave 10-about 100XP. Since there were no crown levels, you could test out of the whole skill at once and the test awarded a max of 20XP.

The site switched over to the crown system in April 2018. Many people had a hard time adjusting because the skills suddenly had 10 times more lessons with mostly the same content. The reason why there are so many more lessons in the crown system is because there's a lot of repetition. This was very frustrating for people who had previously completed the course because fully completed old skills were converted to a maximum of crown level 3. There was also no escaping the repetition at the time because there was no test out feature when crowns were initially launched.

When testing out became available in the crown system, the test awarded 10XP for each level that was tested out of, giving a test equal reward as completing the lessons one-by-one. This meant tests gave a huge burst of XP at once. For example, testing out of a level with 40 lessons resulted in 400XP. It also became possible to reach level 25 much faster than with the old system. The rush of so much XP at once and having level 25 in reach became motivators for many people.

Unfortunately, this made it an uneven game on the leaderboard (which shows weekly XP). It got worse with the addition of leagues on the Android mobile app because you must be in the top 10 to move up a league. Some users noticed abuse of the test out feature, where the people at the top of the league were deleting their progress so they could test out of a lot for the XP. Testing out now costs lingots on the mobile app, so some can afford to test out and others can't, while they're all competing in the same leagues.

So the current outcry is because about a week ago, Duolingo reduced the XP for testing out to 20XP per test. This took away a lot of people's main motivator. The official reason they gave was to make it a fair game, while many users feel that they're really trying to discourage testing out because a test cuts out time spent on Duolingo thereby cutting into profits. What I think is overlooked is that there is very little incentive to review in the crown system, whereas the old system had a built-in review mechanism which would gain you more XP over time than doing the lessons. The lessons in the crown system at least have a lot of review in the repetition, but testing out removes that and there are never any prompts to review.

March 15, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SuBishuu
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This change is a bit demotivating, but we are not here for XP and levels in the first place, we are coming for knowledge. Improvise, adapt, overcome!

March 23, 2019
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