[NEW TREE] Official Update, June 1, 2019
- Skill Count: 92
- Kanji Count: ~1,200
- Vocabulary Items: 2,671
Here's your update:
The plan, which is subject to change, is that A/B testing will begin in earnest the first week of June.
Monday, June 3rd, mid-day Pittsburgh time: A/B testing begins for all accounts. This means that half of all users will adopt the new course, while half of all users will continue to use the old course.
While testing, if you'd like to see the course succeed (which of course you do!) please submit as many error reports as you can, bearing the following in mind.
We are aware of the missing audio and word tile separation issues! If you would like to help us solve these issues, please read the following guide.
We know that 明日 is pronounced like あす、the formal variant of あした、which is not ideal.
The male voice, although it has a better rhythm, often does not pronounce words or whole sentences. This is, of course, bad. Please do not report missing audio! We contributors cannot do anything about that and it just causes us headaches. Duolingo is looking into it.
Sentences are often split up in weird ways, resulting in missing audio along the way. We suggest remedying this for the time being by using the "type my answer" feature. We recommend doing this anyway on the browser version of Duolingo.
Duolingo HQ will be looking into these issues in the next few weeks, and we will have an update on them when we have more information.
〜 The Japanese Team
PS, feel free to check out Luke_5.1991 on the Actual Fluency Podcast talking about Japanese learning and teaching strategies!
It's been a week.... Pray to Jesus, for the tree of life shall come. YISUS-SAMAAAA
i can't wait! I'll finish the tree, and then enjoy more knowledge from duolingo! I can't wait for the new tree :D
Swisidniak: Since you are a MOD can you please explain something? I see that you are at Japanese Level 23. How did you reach 23 under the old Japanese tree? I finished the entire old tree (and got a gold owl) but am only Level 6.
The level system is XP-based, rather than crown-based. I'm probably only about two-thirds through the tree as far as crowns go; I get my XP through using the practice button every day. Often rather than start a new lesson, if I'm not yet comfortable with the previous one, I'll use the practice button to review old material and reinforce it instead of trying to cram in entirely new information. I'll also do this on days where I'm limited for learning time/motivation and just want to speed through something I'm more familiar with to keep myself going. :)
That's quite the opposite of what I'm doing. I'm trying to vary the topics as much as possible. Every now and again I'll remember something, and over time I'll learn more and more. I also think this helps me to formulate sentences on my own, instead of learning specific sentences. To me this makes it more of a natural learning experience (the way children learn a language) rather than a forced learning experience (the way they teach languages in schools). Anways, I just think it's interesting how we are both learning the language in such a different way. And we'll probably never know which one is "better" ^^
with my other languages thats what i used to do to... just speed through it... but wow, japanese is so foreign to me that i do the same, i really need to do these lessons over and over to get comfortable with the letters and translations!!! <3
If you're having troubles with remembering the kanji, it can help to get an app that you can practice writing them with. I'd recommend Kanjisenpai since it allows for easy practice along with instructional learning on how to write kanji and kana the correct way. It has multiple study lists from N5 to N1 with audio assistance available as well (but that's an in-app purchase)
Now I feel as though I haven't added enough Easter eggs or humor, but I'm neither hip nor funny enough to do so. :D
The last incubator update was nine months ago. Might want to update there too?
Thank you for the update, I can feel the sincerity in your words. I'm glad there will be more involvement in Kanji. It's nice to hear that there are Easter Eggs and humor. d(^-^)b
Unfortunately for the April 30th update, you deleted the previous 2 detailed & informative multi paragraph updates that let us know what was going and included screenshots and replaced it with a mostly hollow joke and wait message ....
Since the OP keeps overwriting the previous update instead of creating a new sticky or backing it up in a comment, or something, here are the old versions I found for those who like to follow along:
All the updates since Jan 26th have been deleted and other than those above, I could not find an archive.
It's lame, but I'm sure once they release the update they'll put out all the information again.
@Luke_5.1991 I completed the Japanese course months ago to Level 25 and my tree is all Gold. Hence, I have waited for months for the new course and yet, I'm not among the chosen.
I'd have thought that people who are fully committed would have been given the priority.
How do you determine who gets selected?
I started the course 24th April 2017 and completed it three weeks later before the course had even entered beta. I have a 771 day streak doing this course every day the entire time. Yet I too am in the control group. XD
What's worse, on my main account I completed the reverse tree in 2015 and have been waiting for Tree 2.0 to arrive to finally return to my main account and begin the Japanese course on it. Guess what? My main account is in the control group too!
It's completely randomised who ends up in which group: 50% to the control group; 50% to the experiment group.
I actually have eight accounts: four are in one group, four are in the other. It's pretty unlucky that the only two accounts I care about (this one I'm on now and my main one) are both going to have to wait longer until the end of the A/B test...
So I know how you feel. We're just sat here twiddling our thumbs on our longtime golden trees with nothing really to do, while many beginner users who've been switched over to the new tree will still be doing the hiragana lessons which haven't even changed, haha. ^^;
Yeah, I feel like those of us that completed our trees should have automatically been part of the test group. I've been living in Japan for four years but stopped doing Duolingo since I'm only testing out of skills.
Does anyone know when A/B testing will end? I'm also in the control group and this update sounds pretty good.
It is a random sampling. As 'LearnWithKitty' noted (below), just like Infinity War. Half of all users go into the test group while the other half are the control.
I don't see the rationale of including those who have completed the course in the control group.
After all, they're the ones who are most likely to provide the best feedback on the new course. In contrast, the feedback system could well be overwhelmed with unhelpful complaints from too many new users.
Yeah, but they're the target audience. New users won't get to the new topics for months, but existing users can give feedback on them quickly. They don't just want to do this for the newcomers, but also to keep users who were already done with everything and had nothing to do and/or those who complained about the absence / insufficient use of Kanji in the past.
It seems like I am also in the control group, even though I finished the tree. As Sonokenokino said, I feel like it would be more logical to see the updated tree, in order to give feedback. I know it is automatic, but maybe this should be changed. I just wonder how long I’ll have to wait, do you have any idea of the test period?
I always hoped for humorous sentences in Japanese, many other trees have these, but in the Japanese tree there weren’t any. There are even social media accounts dedicated to silly Duolingo sentences. I’m really looking forward to the update, thanks a lot!
I saw that one, but compared to others it’s not as silly. It was nice though.
Some silly sentences would definitely be nice. Something other than "My parents aren't home." "I take my clothes off in the summer." O.o xD
The first lessons of the Japanese tree should be teaching Hiragana and Katakana before progressing to introductory phrases IMO.
While I agree that Katakana should have their own lessons, Duolingo does continue teaching it long after the intro courses when unlearned characters are relevant to the subject.
I hope so, it's a lot harder to grasp it when it's mixed with Hiragana and Kanji
No, it does not. Not having one is something that the original creators of the course insisted upon, but we can also reevaluate this in another update. Personally speaking, I think having a separate set of skills would be helpful.
I personally don't think is needed, the way katakana is taught by the course right now feels way more natural since is there in multiple lessons without being intrusive, that said I would like some bonus skills with katakana words.
I am looking forward to the new Tree. And more than that, I am looking forward to a Tree with no more incorrect pronunciation and intonation. I don't care how many times I have to repeat this, but NOBODY wants to put effort into learning a new language's vocabulary, and end up sounding funny or nonsensical to a native, when speaking their language.
I am catching myself studying with Duolingo mainly to retain my streak while using other apps to actually learn Japanese, because I am so tired of being bombarded with so many words with incorrect intonation (that I can end up getting used to), after working hard to learn proper vocabulary from the other apps! And please don't tell me to turn off the audio. Listening to a language's pronunciation is very important when learning it.
I don't know if contributors are able to choose the TTS audio of a Course, but please, whoever is able to contact the people who CAN choose it, tell them to review the Japanese Tree. PLEASE.
PS: I have tried as a user to report audio errors in the past, but nothing was ever corrected.
I'm so excited to read this! Thank you for keeping in communication with us Luke_5.1991! You've done a great job with that. :)
My only complaint is that this should probably have gone into a new topic. This one is pretty crowded already.
I don't understand the A/B aspect of beta testing, and although I'm grateful and excited that we even get an update, it's frustrating to have to wait even longer. Half of us are chosen at random? It's like Infinity War all over again.
Well, Infinity War is the best rated recent Marvel movie, so perhaps it's gonna work here too. I don't see what could possibly make them undo all the hard work, but maybe they want to figure out if the newcomers won't feel they're drowning in the overload of Kanji right from the start (seeing as that's a pretty drastic change).
Does anyone have the update? It's close to 2:00 Pittsburgh time and there's no change to my tree...
If you were selected for the beta test, the new content should appear after doing a lesson.
Already finished the old tree, not golded though, guess it's back to waiting. Hope those chosen give a lot of feedback and reports so the rest of us don't have to wait long.
@sara hope so. I finished my old tree too without depleting it totally in gold. In the meantime I'll add more crowns and try to reach a superior level
Oh wow, I didn't realise not everyone was getting it yet. I feel very lucky now. :O
Yeah, I didn't get it either. Signed up with new account to check out testing, also did not get it. A bit frustrated, back to LingoDeer I guess.
new profiles have it available now, I tested it and found all the new stuff including fantasy, etc !
I have a L2 tree, a 21 level and 148/200 crowns, and I still have the old tree :'( :'( :'(
Two weeks later, I am at level 22, I have 168/200 crowns and still sticked to the old tree :'(
"Mid-day Pittsburgh time"? Could we please use international times on an international website? Either GMT or international time zone codes would be appreciated.
I'm happy to read this, as I'm currently working my way through Japanese, and the current tree really leaves much to be desired. I really hope that with the upcoming additions, Duolingo will be much more useful to study Japanese. I just hope that my current progress won't be lost.
I'm so excited! Will there be an announcement as soon as it begins? And will we need to update the app?
WOOHOOO!! :D I love learning Japanese on duolingo. If anyone wants to be friends on here to motivate each other I am open to that.
Will it have furigana for the kanji? As reading Japanese without kanji can be quite tricky.
You can submit bug reports here (https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/requests/new). I just had to find the link to report a bug.
With the new skill tree why do some skills have a blue dot next to their title?
I do believe those are the topics that have changed since the last time you practiced them.
Guys, this really sucks. I am learning Japanese together with my boyfriend. Now he got the update and I didn't, so we can't really continue learning together the way we did before...
I’m not sure where to suggest this so if this isn’t the appropriate place please let me know.
I have a suggestion to put the hiragana for the kanji when you tap it for help. Right now it just lists the kanji again instead, and as you note, the audio could be off. Also, I’m a visual learner so if I can see the entire word spelled out in hiragana it will help me lead the kanji better.
Thanks for the update and all the work the Japanese Team has put in to the course!
This is really amazing! Thanks! ^^
How will this mesh with the current course? For those of us who are part-way through the current tree, what will the transition to the new tree look like?
Every tree gets exploded when they do this. You will probably end up with gaps in the tree and have to go back and fill those in before proceeding.
I'd rather have the explosion, go back to review, and have more vocab, more difficulty than not.
Oh, that's good to know! I was wondering how it would work as well... thanks!
At least with this tree it will only be a small explosion.
The spectacular results should greatly outweigh the inconvenience of having to repair your current progress.
It's been three weeks and the new tree hasn't been released. I hope the next update will include this.
I'm so ready. I've been feeling that the Japanese course has been needing a lot
Re. 18/04 update: Awesome, can't wait! I finished the tree ages ago because it was all very easy for me, so really looking forward to some challenge, especially the kanji because I'm bad at those compared to my level in speaking and listening comprehension.
Does the kanji in the new course align with Kyōiku Kanji 教育漢字 set that is being taught to primary students in Japan??
Just noticed this was updated on April 18th! Thank you very much!
2,600 words, 1,200 kanji and even more skills. Wow. Just amazing.
why do i still get marked wrong if i type kanji? for example i have to write どのはつくえですか？if i write どのは机ですか i get marked wrong.... any idea when the date will come when we can choose to write either in kanji or hiragana and still get marked right?
In most cases the kanji is accepted. If it isn't still on some questions you can just hit the report button and "my answer should be accepted" to put it up for review and have it added.
The only ones that can't have new answer options added to them and are most likely to not accept certain kanji are the listening questions as Duo's programming doesn't allow it. This is an issue that will hopefully be fixed sometime in the future but is not something the contributors making the course have any control over. Duo wasn't designed for a language that has multiple ways of writing the same word, so it's something we the learners and the contributors making the course have to work within the constrictions of for now.
That's simply not true. Even in English there are multiple ways to answer a listening question, US vs UK spelling (and other legitimate spelling variants, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_spelling_variants for a comprehensive list), using numerals instead of spelling out words, certain homophones (e.g. He rows up vs He rose up). And in French and various other languages it's even more true.
At no point did I say that Japanese is the only language that has more than one way of writing something, only that Duo's system was not designed to handle such a situation. I'm well aware there are many ways of spelling the same words in many languages, though in most cases this is a bit easier to work around; whereas Japanese has this problem for nearly every single word. Thankfully with the introduction of more kanji to the new tree this issue for the Japanese course has been lightened as well.
Didn't mean to suggest that, just that "Duo wasn't designed for a language that has multiple ways of writing the same word" doesn't make much sense, because there's virtually no language that doesn't have multiple ways of writing the same word! And Duolingo IS designed to accept multiple possible answers for every other type of question, it's baffling why listening exercises should be the only exception.
Whoever down voted your comment is dumb. I agree with you, that does get annoying. The kanji is the correct form so i hate when it gets marked wrong.
Cool. I hope Duolingo looks into all the code problems with their site as well including the fact that listening exercises can only have one answer, which is super annoying in Japanese and in French, which is a language I study on here all the time!
Even for English it's super annoying. E.g. "Are these 3 colours okay?" vs "Are these three colors ok?".
Will progress from the old tree be transferred to the new tree when I switch over? I don't want to lose all the sense of progress I've made since starting duolingo.
Was this update made with any JLPT level in mind? I heard the original had all the JLPT N5 vocabulary, so would this be N4?
The old post about Japnese Tree 2.0 mentioned something along those lines, so I'd say it's possible.
I just got the new tree. It's good to see that we got more kanji, it's way better than the hiragana before. Crowns were lost on the updated skills, but it's okay.
I checked yesterday and didn't see any changes so had resigned myself to continuing with strengthening exercises for a few more weeks but today the tree has updated! Many thanks to the team for putting this together, I'm already enjoying the new content and increased number of kanji.
I don't think I'll be getting the new tree at this time
Anyone know the estimated release date once it passed A/B testing?
I'm in the same boat as you! I hope it's as short of a wait as it was after they released it for new users only.
Can I in some way enforce the update upon my tree? I don't think I have it yet.
Kanji ? I’m all for it :D (and for the other features as well). I’m really happy to know it, as I thought the Japanese tree needed some improvement. Thank you so much for your hard work, in both the languages I’m learning with duo (yay to Nowegian too \o/) ♥
Is there a set date for the release yet? I can barely contain my excitement!
I wouldn't think so considering that it is now in Duolingo's court, so I do not know how much ( if any) control) the team has now.
Has the new tree been compared to JLPT? What level does it correspond to?
Will it replace are old tree, or will there be a new tree, or just add on to are current tree? (Any information would help)
i hope it replaces the old tree. i have flown through the lessons like butter and i didnt even realize i was this fluent in japanese. But i have to say that the questions are asked before they teach you anything about them. Of course all this info for each lesson is in the key, however, most people dont want to read that.
I just hope the new tree has a more organized order of teaching beginners.
I hope they Add a new tree or add to the old one, because i want to finish MY tree first before moving onto a new one
I gave Japanese a try last year but I did find the course a struggle to get into. I've recently rediscovered Yu-Gi-Oh and it got me inspired to try Japanese again so I could get into the OCG some day. I must say I started on this new tree at the weekend and I'm loving it this time around, excited for the rest of the tree to be released!
Does anybody else just see 36 skills at the moment? I'm assuming the complete course will be much longer.
Thanks for the new update and ETA for the release! I'm excited to begin using duolingo as a serious effort along with genki which I've already been using
So... Will existing users be able to use the new tree as soon as it's released? I'm so excited!!
Can we please have an official release date? Is there one yet? I've been waisting for over a month!
I'm listening to you on the AFP right now! Thanks for all the effort you've put in to this! I can't wait to start on the new course!
I feel like I'm not doing that tree in a long time ever since I haven't finished even tree one
Aww, so I have to wait longer...? Oh well. I'm so excited just to hear an update!!
The course is available for more than an hour! Try it on the Web browser. You can do it from mobile browsers, still not working in the app(or probably not working in app just for me)
I just made a new account and selected Japanese and it had the same list of lessons as before.
The course is being A/B tested, meaning only half of the people will get it. Creating a new account does not guarantee that you'll get it. Try deleting that account and creating a new one.
Will the update be implemented on old accounts automatically? I'd love to have the updated version even though im still earning the hiragana. I really like the language and plan to go on a trip to japan in maybe a year or smthn. So i'd love to have an updated version of the course!
good one! I am expecting lessons with たら、なら、とき、と、ければ、もし、がら and について to improve my Japanese grammar
Yeah, does it end with "Olympics" and "Subculture"? Then it's the old tree. Does it end with "Colloquial"? Then it's the new tree. (Version for the others, who may be too lazy to count them.)
Why is the last update for Japanese course a downgrade? I lost my levels in many lessons, they became level 0 now. There are no light bulb tutorials anymore. Kanji doesn't have hiragana translation anymore.
Some lessons had to be reset because they contain new vocabulary and/or Kanji which you wouldn't have known from the old tree. While you may have lost progress levels, you shouldn't have lost any crowns. The tips will probably be added back once everything has settled. I'm not sure what you mean by hiragana translations, but if you mean pronunciation hints in tooltips, that will probably be added right about the same time as voice clips for the new individual Kanji and words.
So what does it mean? Is everyone supposed to get the update in a few days?
I've gotten the new course and the quantity (so many new skills!) and quality of the content has improved a lot. Kanji is introduced much earlier and the flow of each exercise in the lesson as well as the organization of the skills aids learning.
Unfortunately, I fear that the validity of any A/B test at this point is severely compromised due to the magnitude of the sound problems. On both Mac and iOS about a third to half of the sentences are missing sound at the sentence level. I've been able to work around the missing sentence sound by hovering over each character to check the sound. However, sometimes the sound given isn't the proper reading for that word. In the matching exercises, often 3 of the 5 kanji are missing sound, so unless you know the characters already, you have to randomly guess.
All the lightbulb buttons disappeared from my app! Is it just me? They were a very important part of how I remembered things, please bring them back!
They're temporarily unavailable on the app for the new tree but are still visible on the web version if you'd like to view them.
Well, this sucks. I've been waiting for ages for the new tree, I was excited when it was announced. I started learning Japanese in 2017 and within three months I was done with the tree. And I was not one of the chosen ones. When is the A/B-testing over? I really want to go on with new content!
Did the testing end? Cause I got stripped off my new tree and placed back to the old tree when I woke up
I got kept with the old course- when do I get to use the new one? Please hook me uuupppp I don't want to have to create a new profile. Thanks!
Great to see that this is happening. I'm sad that we will have to wait a few weeks, but I bet it'll be worth it. Thank you!
i'm open to this change too, i love learning Japanese. Fun fact. My grandfather (paternal) was stationed there during the Korean War from the US Navy. He loved it there.
My great aunt was stationed there during the Korean War as well and into the 60s, though she was in the Women's Army Corp. She had an apartment in Tokyo during the Olympics and wrote home about all of the changes going on in preparation for the games, I hope to go next year so I can say that a member of our family has been in Tokyo for both Olympic games.
Let me asks will you let us know when it is out in beta for new users?
I hope it is a total re-do.
Sorry to say, but the Chinese Duo is on point and the Japanese Duo lessons missed their mark.
some of the changes made recently have been amazing! I can't wait to see what this one is like.
Any chance of including the option to make some fraction of the 'Write this in English' problems under the practice button audio only? This would really help me.
I'm so excited ahh!! I have a question: will you teach Kunyomi and Onyomi readings or just the reading needed for the word?
I can't wait to start the new japanese tree, thank you so much for all your work!
Hola puedes escribir todos eso en epaños??? Gracias. Es que no se mucho inglés.
hola el dice que acaba de terminar el primer arbol entonces es en buena hora que salga el nuevo arbol pero todavia no es disponible
Just finished the original tree so this is great timing. Hope it's realized soon. ありがとね！
Should I be worried that when I finish the Japanese hiragana tree, I will have to relearn the language a different way?
Worried? I'm excited!! Finish the tree and then enjoy more knowledge from duolingo! I can't wait for the new tree :D
Most people hate kanji at first and feel the way you do but once you get 100 or so under your belt you start to realize how helpful they are with learning the language. Plus once you learn some it helps with learning new ones since a lot of kanji contain "pieces" of other kanji.
I like you. I'm finished a new tree on Sun., March 16, 2019 but it's hasn't been locked, too. It's the ENGLISH SKILL TREE. And I received a Duolingo Cup from Duolingo Team. Thank you for contribute.
Very excited about this, I just started Japanese and seems like there's a lot to look forward to
I'm new to Duolingo, what does Easter eggs and humor imply? Will it be something obvious, or will it mostly be an inside joke?
It’s usually been inside jokes within the community, example “my dog sells hats” you can replace the words to fit your needs. The formula can turn into “my grandpa sells fish” but it’s more fun and memorative for a dog to sell hats
Can't wait! I've only just started so the revamp is gonna be great for me
@Luke_5.1991 - "It will take a few weeks." ITS BEEN A MONTH AND WERE STILL WAITING! (i know a month is a few weeks, But i can't wait!)
I'm about 40% through the tree and curious how the new tree will be layered on top of the old one. Looking forward to it! Thanks for all the hard work, team.
But the question is...the japanese new tree is available first for iOS like 2 years ago? Or is available for all platforms(like iOS Android and Web)?
I'll be waiting for 2-3 weeks for the new skill trees! I'm very excited.
Hooray! If only I could get around to finishing the old tree first though.
I'd rather have the explosion, go back to review, and have more vocab, more difficulty than not.
I just got the new content in the iPhone app. Unfortunately, at the same time it REMOVED all of the course notes! This is not good! I do most of my learning in the iPhone app, and being unable to access the course notes will be a big problem, especially since I'm very new to the language (only in my 3rd week). I really hope this is just a temporary glitch and that the course notes return very soon!
Yeah...this really stinks and makes the app rather worthless. I've got a bad back and any time spent sat down at the computer sure isn't going to be duolingo, even if I'm working on Japanese. I've attempted to file a bug report at https://support.duolingo.com/hc/en-us/requests/new but for it gives no feedback at all about a successful submission, just eats the post and tosses you to the FAQ page.
It seems I lost l my progress because of the new tree, I was this close to finishing all the skills!!! Can I opt out and return to the previous version?
As far as I can tell, the only pieces of skills you have to redo are the ones that contain entirely new words. At least for me, it seemed to skip past parts of lessons that contained only what I had already done (example: I was on level 3 of people and was forced to go back to level zero, but only had to complete part 2, 3, 4, and 6 because of new words like 'divorced' or 'single'). Even so, just taking a simple test of the most recent skill you were locked out of will allow to to proceed exactly where you left off (unless you left off at level 1-4 of a skill). I do agree that it's a bit annoying to have to complete these skills to gold again, especially since it took away the crowns I had already earned, but I appreciate the new content so it's not pointless.
I had about 7 skills left before I finish them all, now it says I'm in 15 out of 92. This is really frustrating! What gives?!