WHAT HAPPENED TO FRENCH DUOLINGO?!!!
The new change sucks!!! loved the grammatical approach. I was on a 50-day streak and was methodically working my way through and finally felt I was understanding French!
And then this stupid conversational crap with hardly any decent grammar instruction!
I will have to find somewhere else.
I am so disappointed! It is most unfair to so radically change things.
(Hey, it's free. What can you expect? I expected more.)
I will NEVER, EVER pay for Duolingo just because of the sudden changes. It's fine to give a new version to new users. But users in progress should always have the choice of keeping the version they have or opting into the latest version WHEN they choose. If it's free, I can only complain so much. But don't expect me to pay for something that is so unpredictable. As much as I like Duolingo and would like to see it be successful, it is much too frustrating to have no control over how and when major changes are forced on us.
Lol, I have a 1000 day steak in French (and German) and this change for change sake has me doing a 'greetings' section where they are asking me to translate: "Bonjour, Paul." SMH, seriously, I know it's free but if that's the best your algorithms can judge on my 'tree'...!
Also people say these changes are flagged on the forums but two things: 1) Not everyone pours over these forums, I hardly even use them mainly because, 2) They are so user unfriendly it's incredible.
No subsections to speak of, it's really useless. "Popular, new and followed." Wow, no sections for site announcements.. I mean popular...so we can post pics of kittens?
Better go, duo needs to see if I know what Ja means in German (again).
Yes! This is my biggest issue with the update. I was on level 4 in all skills, so having to go back to the basics is frustrating, boring, and pointless.
I also tried making "greeting" golden by clicking both the key and doing the "normal exercises". All of them are the same; none is with any new challenges worthy of redoing.
I started testing out of the new lessons. In 24 hours I tested out of a dozen levels with 24 XP and 12 new lingots. I also learned a couple dizaine new vocabulary words and even a tiny bit of new grammar.
Not too shabby! So far I like Tree12.
See "Old Tree Massacred" discussion. Good intentions but we should have been forewarned when it was going to happen.
Thanks - I looked there. I will stop having a tantrum but was so enjoying it the way it was. I'll keep trying.
Get used to it. They're going to change it several times a year so you never know what to expect. The first few changes are the worst then you just end up rolling with it. Happy all your circles turning purple btw. I notice I lost over 100 crowns on a few languages. It kept the final points but the crowns disappeared.
but the problem is having to start all over from level 0 again and again and again and again. terrible management decisions.
Lately I have fallen into a steady daily rhythm and seemed to be progressing nicely, and then -- wham, Duolingo has upended everything. So tonight I thought I would try to be patient and see if the new tree is better. In fact, it's a mess. When I try to do more basic lessons at the top, it's a total waste of time. When I move much further down it's a rehash of material I learned weeks and months ago, but interspersed with new stuff that is totally off the wall. It's all rather disorienting and time-wasting, and honestly I don't know I where on the trees I should be at this point. I hate, hate, hate what Duolingo has done. I think I may have to find another place to continue to learn French.
I completely agree with you. I too was working steadily, reviewing my work from last year and moving ahead and then, today I opened it and the format has completely changed. I don't understand what the approach is. I am going to look into another program
I agree completely, I was using it to practice topics that we are covering in class. Today I was working on infinitives and now they are completely gone! I have been PAYING for a product and you unilaterally changed the whole concept. That is at least unfair and possibly illegal!
Hey mods- can we PLEASE have some of the skills we learned from the old tree saved? Because I barely have anything left from the old tree, and I was working my way making every skill level three when this horrible mess happened. Thanks
Yeah, I am a tad disappointed. I was creating a Quizlet set for every skill, too, and I only had about 20 left to cover. Now most of my Quizlet sets are useless at this point.
I'm pretty sure I had something like 30 skills mastered in the old tree and now I'm down to 8, I was in the middle of doing my lessons for the day and suddenly the moment I reached the end of one of them it just upended everything.
I'm really disappointed because this feels like I've just lost a bunch of progress (whether I have or not is irrelevant - I was measuring how far I'd come based on the number of skills I'd mastered and now it feels like I'm almost back to square one).
Honestly, Duolingo, I'm not sure what the reasoning for this was but I really hope you undo it or at least do something to make it feel like I haven't just wasted the best part of a year on this course.
I agree, it stinks. I was just getting the hang of some grammar and was on a 36 day streak and now everything is changed. Bring the original back, or at least make it optional!
Yes,I agree. I'm wondering why I'm suddenly working backward? Why am I going over things I already know?
I was getting bored of the old tree, having completed it several times over, so this change is good in my opinion. I haven't worked through enough of it to see the actual content changes, but if it's more conversational and less grammar then that can only be a good thing. It's annoying trying to join a French conversation and being stuck on grammar rules! YMMV of course, but just a perspective from the other side
Perhaps I would agree with you if I had also been through the tree several times. The new format could be a good ADDITIONAL option for people who have reached your level but I am still a newbie. I am still learning the grammar and the old format allowed me to choose topics that correspond with what I am learning in class. I had been working on "infinitives" but that subject option is gone. I don't know how to find the appropriate practice when my choices are labeled "family" or "shopping".
You can still find some of the grammatical subjects through the notes feature (the intro to infinitives appears to be Travel 2, for instance, if you still need them), but it isn’t a very intuitive way to have to find them all.
Quote: You can still find some of the grammatical subjects through the notes feature
No you cannot.
AFAIK tree3 does not share the same html formatted web T&N for tree8+12.
French moderators had posted in another thread (don't ask me which) that the newer staff trees provide "mobile grammar notes" for the mobile apps for the new A1+A2 CEFR skills.
Of course staff will probably have started porting their new mobile tips to the web tips as well.
But we should expect (I have not personally verified this) that we basically have lost all the previous tree2+3 web grammar notes for the newer staff French trees :-(
You can see on your Duome page https://www.duome.eu/Kit828450/progress that not too many skills of the 156 total skills available share the old web notes.
When you click the lightbulb button on a skill in the "Home" page of the www.duolingo.com web portal you will very likely the the new (mobile/ported) tips.
But this will probably only work for the very new skills, not the old grammar skills from tree2+3.
Those too new staff trees might be based on tree3, but they have a new design, are re-arranged and not a 1:1 clone with added new vocabulary skills (on top).
I had a bit hope that maybe staff creates a new tree version XX where exactly this happens: 1:1 clone of tree3 with added CEFR vocabulary skills and practicing randomly previous grammar in "vocabulary topic skills": https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29156220$comment_id=31458321
Anyways, trying to find the 26+ dedicated more available "grammar skills" from tree3 in the 156 skill staff tree12 (which were not removed) with renamed "vocabulary theme-oriented" skill names and not any grammar flags and mixed content might be a mission impossible :-)
When you click on a lesson, above the start button, there should be a little lightbulb icon next to the key icon to test out. If you click on that, it should take you to any grammar notes for the node.
Not all of them have notes, but I believe most of them do.
I think that you misunderstood what I was trying to say. It isn't the notes that I miss, it's the subjects labeled with grammatical terms. The example that I uses was Infinitives, if I had trouble I could look up the subject in my grammar book. It was a very useful technique and I had been making good progress. Where do I go to look up the proper way to translate "shopping" phrases?
It seems to me that they took a very useful learning tool and turned it into a tourist phrase book. I'm trying to really learn the language, not just find my way around Paris.
Not again Duolingo! Why can't you just leave things alone? This has been a wonderful and terrific free tool, but every update - despite the intention to improve - only causes frustration and upset! And right across the board in all the languages I'm studying - not just French! This latest overnight update is another case in point - the new "square style", the white and yellow circles on a white background, and the new font are NOT so easy on the eye - especially for those of us who are older. The previous style and font was SO much easier to read and use. If you want to make different versions, please at least give us the option of choosing the version we want! I so understand the frustration of those who want to give up on Duolingo after each update because, to be honest, I feel exactly the same way! But there's so much good about Duolingo and it's been such a GREAT learning tool for me, that I don't want to stop using it. But, please, PLEASE organisers, please can you take some of our criticisms and frustrations on board....and remember that your learners are not just younger people who like constant change and all the cutesy, gamey stuff....but older people who come here simply wanting to learn without all the constant changes and bells and whistles!
Just wanted to add my voice to the "some warning would have been nice" chorus. I've been working on my French lessons every day for over 3 years. I'd completed the entire tree 4.5 times over, and was within sight of having every lesson in the tree gold. Now 80+% of my progress just got reset to zero, leaving me to start all over again. The only thing more disheartening than the complete loss of everything I've spent years building is that I'm actually paying an annual subscription fee for this abuse.
Why would you be so cruel to your own users, Duo?
Mbot, You are still on Tree2. A lot of people were switched over to Tree12 yesterday. I don't know if you will be switched or not.
I also didn't get changed over. I'm kind of disappointed about it. I was actually excited for the tree change. Plus, now I don't know if I'm going to get changed over. I'd rather just start over than not know when I'm going to have to start over, or if I will.
I was on level 5 and it has reset me back to level 0! I do not want to spend a year getting back to where I was. I do not need that much repetition. I don’t care what the changes are, this stinks!
Totally lost everything with this new change! So sad— have been doing this for three + years every day. And now back at first lesson. This is awful!
See my last comment: https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/29156220$comment_id=31458321
I was on day 380+, beginning to understand the past tense verbs, even getting questions right sometimes. By the time I work back to that point I will have forgotten all of that. This is not a nice way to treat people who have been using it consistently.
This is insane. I've been learning French on Duolingo for THREE YEARS every day without a break (my streak is only 484 because of a tech glitch) and was 3/4 into the French module. You then introduced the new 5 levels so I started going through it from scratch. As soon as I was getting half way through you changed everything again. This is so frustrating and dispiriting.
This is very strange. Today I opened Duolingo as I do every morning Streak at 224 and it was totally different. I had reached Food 2 on level 20. That had gone and was replaced with Food 4. Everything before it had gone back to Purple! My progress from yesterday had gone so I have worked through Food 4 to level 1 again. I guess the new earlier categories are optional?
From what I can see, the purple lessons are optional. You can skip them, test out of them, or go back and do them.
I'm planning to test out because there is new material I want to learn, but it might be boring to do all that repetition. If the tests become difficult, I can actually start doing the lessons.
Testing out of one level takes me about 10 minutes. I earn 20 XP and one lingot per level. Most importantly, I learn some vocabulary and even a little grammar. Many of the sentences are new, so it isn't really boring. Bonne chance!!!
duo is killing the learning progress by the constant starting over at level 0. horrible!
I agree ! I am really pissed with them. I am considering quitting the program and trying another one. Sad really !
The point I would like to make about this that I do not believe that a single user would have completed the previous tree in the time that it was available from the last change to this one .
Many people argue that Duolingo is available for free. That being the case, they would be better using their energies correcting the errors that are reported than producing another tree that will be made similarly redundant in a short time.
Hey,my French tree hasn't been updated yet. Wdym that there's no longer a grammatical approach? Did they actually delete grammar points/lessons?
Quote: Wdym that there's no longer a grammatical approach?
Sure, there are still some skills which have a grammar name.
But this is not true for ALL tree3 "grammar skills".
Did they actually delete grammar points/lessons?
Yes, 26+ dedicated grammar skill names have been removed and I have not found them in my Excel / Notepad list under any other grammar name: So this is not simply renaming.
Now try to find those those at least 26 grammar lessons within 156 "vocabulary skills" in your longer tree.
AFAIK French moderators have previously said these have been rearranged / distributed (lexemes/words as well as sentences).
But basically it means that staff/contractors have created a new french tree8+12 tree design, gave many skills a complete a new name, focused on vocabulary/themes and have spread those (probably not all) of the grammar lessons across any of those skills.
With removed web html formatted notes try to find them!
IMHO you simply cannot re-strengthen 156 skills at the same time to 75-100% strength (keep your tree "golden", not the crown gold, but the strength gold in the pre-crown era).
I am hardly able to do this with my 91 skill PT tree.
If you can, tell me how you accomplish this.
Someone would have to be an experienced French learner who finished their French tree8 or 12 to be able to tell which "grammar skills" from tree3 cannot be found anywhere on the newer staff trees or in which "vocabulary skills" the existing lexemes/sentences have been exactly been mixed - fully or partly - into or were extended and mixed with other / new A1/A2 CEFR content.
Thanks for the detailed response! Now I'm really sad for the state of the new tree. Having it grammar oriented is surely way better to learn a more advanced french
If I'm understanding how the new tree work, I don't know that I agree. If say, it isn't organized by having a «passé compossé» section and «imparfait» section, but rather you just have to use them in a variety of different situations, that might be better. Like, when doing the imparfait section I know I have to use it, because that's what the lesson is about. If I just got introduced in an environment where I may or may not be using it, that might be more efficient for learning when to use one vs. the other. That's just my feelings though.
It would be ideal if both concepts would be used IN PARALLEL:
teach and review grammar
randomly practice grammar "on-the-fly" MIXED with vocabulary/theme-oriented skills)
or which concept "learning style" A vs B vs C per tree could be choosen (e.g setting/filter buttons)
I don't understand why staff completely forces a learner into the other direction.
My recent comments about this topic:
sorry about that): Ilove duolingo though i think its amazing for being free(:
I have to agree. I was working away and missed one day and all my work has vanished except for grammar and basics. I'm so disappointed.
Such a frustrating change. Can't find where I belong anymore. I guess I'll just give up. I DO hope they make an option for switching back to the old version!!!
They won't. Bare with it. You'll get used to it. They keep changing it and honestly, I like it less with each change. You'll get used to it though so don't abandon. Just continue. It takes a few days and you'll get used to the new iteration. And yeah, all the purple circles reducing everyones progress backwards as well as taking away a good half their crowns at least, utterly sucks.
For testing out of a purple level you get 20 XP and a lingots. But you don't have to test out in order to continue progress, as far as I can tell.
People should take a deep breath and find out a little more before panicking, IMO.
What a stupid idea. Like the other people venting their anger I have spent a lot of time working my way methodically through the French course only to find this morning that it’s all wiped out and back to learning. “ bonjour monsieur” what a load of * ! Well it’s au revoir duolingo. Must be something better out there!
Oh my god i thought i broke something. I was halfway done the french course with everything maxed up to that point now i have to go back to single words and greetings?! Screw this! way to lose a studen DL. I was so damn close to buying a sub again too but why the hell would i do that now that youce reset my account. Maybe i should just buy rosettastone instead, at least it stays put!
I did the "test out of 104 skills" at the bottom of the tree and passed. However it didn't change anything.
Bugger, more new material and the old progress covered up. I was just starting to get on top of the prépositions. I am glad i can still get to most of the advanced lesions.
I've read all posts here and agree. I am also most upset. I'm on level 13 with 128 crowns. I'm not game enough to see what they've done to that! But what amazes me is my words learned has dropped from 2298 down to 1944??? What? I also dislike intensely the topic names/titles lost. I was able to match with topics learned in my French class. I can't even go back to revise a particular topic. Undo Duolingo!
Agreed! Have been practicing French daily for a year on Duolingo. Lost all my progress and don't know where to restart. In previous French and Spanish updates even when they expanded or moved a skill they showed you how much of your old work within the skill was completed. I tried to start at the first skill that didn't show I had made any progress but it's too basic for me, like going backward a year. Is this a redesign issue or an actual bug?
I am so upset by this. I have no idea where I should be on this new tree. The beginning is ridiculously basic after working on this for over 400 days, and I am just not sure what to do now. I am very disappointed.
Two years of Duolingo, Almost Level 25, working the tree for the fourth time! And I yet I am at zero. Sure I can test out, but that misses the endeavor and dedication I have demonstrated
What is this 5 year old stuff????????? Please go back to the "old fashioned" learning.
Anyone knows a good app where I don't lose my progress? This whole situation is bs, I am taking French classes. So now I have to learn how to say bonjour once again while I am quite advanced? Sucks to be us, duolingo users.
i just started french as well as spanish, didn´t know there was a different version before this.
I was making good progress at last with complex sentences, and don’t want to go back to yes and welcome and how are you doing. I may have kept the streak and gems and crowns, but I’m here to learn the language. I’ve been doing this almost exactly two years, don’t make me start again from scratch.
If you cant put us back to where we were, you’re going to lose a lot of users.
If you click on the 'key' at the top of a lesson you can take a test, go to the next level and skip all the really basic stuff. I've only done one of these, but assume this will work to get all the ones I already know up several levels to where I was.
I'm still angry that this was done to us though, without any warning or explanation. NB: I've never seen any of these items explained anywhere: I found that a click on the lightbulb gives you the grammar that I always thought would be useful to have but I could never find. What else is there available I wonder?
@Jane594044 Thanks, and since I wrote here sharing my confusion in chorus with everyone else, I have since read the DISCUSSION Message from DUO "New Content for Spanish and French Trees". It clarified everything for me along with reading the comments from others like yourself. I think it was the sequence and timing of DUO's full explanation that threw me off. Well brushing up on early learning basics is never a bad thing although somewhat boring and I might add, not good for time management issues... Anyway, I am back on track now and patiently testing out when possible making continued progress. The lightbulb is my "go to" to speed through a course. It's all good. I trust DUO intent and plans for improving the art of language learning.
I've found that to take a second test on the material you need to spend gems.
@Jane594044...Yes I noticed it requesting 20 lingots too (initially, as another discouraging blow) but it only appeared on my phones DUO app not when I use the computer. Test out is available FREE so far anyway from a computer.
Totally in agreement with you, the course was before better, it wasn't necessary to change it
Yeah, I had enjoyed it for two years, Now time to find another learning method. Their stated mission has obviously changed. Not free. Not fun. Unmotivational !