https://www.duolingo.com/tolunayo

Duolingo clubs (app) vs leagues

Hi everyone,

I am participating in a very active Duolingo club. Recently some of our active members using Android platform were yanked out of the club against their will and put in the league and they cannot comeback to the club even if they know the club code.

1) Why is this happening? Is it a bug or intentional move by Duolingo?

2) Why should the clubs and leagues should be mutually exclusive. Why someone cannot participate in both. As an engineer I don't see any reason for this to be mutually exclusive.

3) I remember that a while back when activity stream was removed, we are told that Duo will come with alternative. It did not happen. (Booo!!!) I think it has been like 2 years since that.

4) Why Duolingo so against all the interactive social features of the platform given language learning is social in its roots? The inmersion is gone, activity stream is gone, now clubs. What next? Forums?

April 3, 2019

19 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/Micah891366

I'm an Android user. I wasn't put into leagues, but my club feed is gone.

This post describes what we see: Club Activity page is blank since most recent Android update

It's frustrating being on our side of this. Most of us have no at all what's going on, and we have no way of contacting you guys.

April 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Helen_Lightfoot

Thanks Tolunayo for your post. I'm in (or I was) in a Club with three members (all real-life friends) learning Spanish. We were all very active in the Club, participating in the Word Smashes and other learning incentives. It wasn't so much about the XP, as the fun of learning. Now I've been forced into a huge anonymous 'Bronze League' leaderboard which seems to be focussed entirely on XP - and I don't know any of these people.

Please Give Me My Club Back!!

May 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Avantha

True learning in a club makes the learning interactive. In this league system cheaters reset their languages and earn more xp every day.

May 18, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DJCurfew2017

In the app, Duolingo can only input a maximum of 5 tabs, 1 max for learning, 1 max for learning feature, 1 max for profile, 1 max for special feature, and 1 max for shop. Both Leaderboards and Clubs are "special features", so Duolingo must choose which one at a time, rather than both. Similarly, for some users, Gems is inputted rather than Lingots (Duolingo likes the "Gems" because you can buy gems for real money whereas you can't for lingots). Similarly, Practice and Health are both learning features, so Duolingo of course picked Health (people can pay real money for gems, then health for gems).

Also, if you have "practice and gems" format, you have a Plus option (cost a few bucks a month, NOT one-time).

It doesn't take a Duolingo staff to know that Leaderboards are CONSIDERABLY more lucrative than Clubs. Why? Since 90% of users have health and gems, instead of practice and lingots, when people are "motivated" to repeatedly do lessons (that's right, no more high XP yieldings from tests, thanks Duolingo), they see more ads. For "health and gems" people, they see an ad once per lesson, and they have access to Plus (more lucrative) - Plus removes ads. Ads can be really annoying when Duolingo sometimes mix up the "Go Ad Free" and "X" buttons.

In addition, there is this "health" thing for 90% of people. Whenever you get a problem wrong, you lose a health. When you make FIVE mistakes you lose all health you must practise the boring easy-peasy stuff once for a health. You can also wait for health to refill (8 hours per health bar, total 5 health bars, individual times vary). There is only one other option to keep using Duolingo immediately, and that is paying gems (350 gems for health refill). Because of this, one can easily use up all gems, thus needing to pay real money for a gem refill.

If you were in Duolingo, Inc, which option would YOU want to choose?

June 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/AnitaRRC

Please downgrade to a last year version of the android app. It has helped me!!! then, disable automatic updates. It also gets rid of the insane internet consumption by some newer versions

April 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/a_good_elf_531

Even if you have clubs there is 99.9% chance no one else would be there

July 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Manasvi979240

After having tested the ‚clubs‘ and being now forced into the leadership leagues (at present silver league), I agree with all those who question the logic behind the leadership boards. I also advocate for not discontinuing the clubs as they offer some kind of intrinsic motivation and personal interaction. The leadership league is a mere xp competition among a most heterogeneous group of learners. It‘s like comparing pears and apples that are additionally at different levels of maturity. I am learning Hindi as a beginner and I am refreshing my French language competence that I had lost over the years. I am jumping up the leader board ladder while refreshing my French and I am progressing only slowly while learning Hindi, but both my learning experiences, French as well as Hindi, will be credited to the same leadership league. Does this make sense at all? No !!! It would be great I would find myself competing with those who learn the same language and have the same level of experience.

May 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DJCurfew2017

oh yeah duolingo cannot put both leaderboards and clubs at the same time idk why, probably duolingo doesn't have enough funding and can only input one "special feature" one at a time. similarly health users are unable to go to practice mode

June 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tolunayo

They can and the way they were running the clubs did not require a lot of bandwidth or server storage. They could add a few ads to the clubs just like social networks include sponsored content in your stream and that would have been more than enough to fund.

June 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Je_suis_BiDo

Agreed. And I reckon it'd be even easier for Duolingo to run Leagues as it's literally just a text list of a few random users, sorted by XP.

June 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/a_good_elf_531

But I wish Duolingo actually cares

July 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DJCurfew2017

In the app, Duolingo can only input a maximum of 5 tabs, 1 max for learning, 1 max for learning feature, 1 max for profile, 1 max for special feature, and 1 max for shop. Both Leaderboards and Clubs are "special features", so Duolingo must choose which one at a time, rather than both. Similarly, for some users, Gems is inputted rather than Lingots (Duolingo likes the "Gems" because you can buy gems for real money whereas you can't for lingots). Similarly, Practice and Health are both learning features, so Duolingo of course picked Health (people can pay real money for gems, then health for gems).

Also, if you have "practice and gems" format, you have a Plus option (cost a few bucks a month, NOT one-time).

It doesn't take a Duolingo staff to know that Leaderboards are CONSIDERABLY more lucrative than Clubs. Why? Since 90% of users have health and gems, instead of practice and lingots, when people are "motivated" to repeatedly do lessons (that's right, no more high XP yieldings from tests, thanks Duolingo), they see more ads. For "health and gems" people, they see an ad once per lesson, and they have access to Plus (more lucrative) - Plus removes ads. Ads can be really annoying when Duolingo sometimes mix up the "Go Ad Free" and "X" buttons.

In addition, there is this "health" thing for 90% of people. Whenever you get a problem wrong, you lose a health. When you make FIVE mistakes you lose all health you must practise the boring easy-peasy stuff once for a health. You can also wait for health to refill (8 hours per health bar, total 5 health bars, individual times vary). There is only one other option to keep using Duolingo immediately, and that is paying gems (350 gems for health refill). Because of this, one can easily use up all gems, thus needing to pay real money for a gem refill.

If you were in Duolingo, Inc, which option would YOU want to choose?

June 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tolunayo

In the app, Duolingo can only input a maximum of 5 tabs, 1 max for learning, 1 max for learning feature, 1 max for profile, 1 max for special feature, and 1 max for shop.

I am sorry but that is the most lame excuse I've seen. As a software engineer, I can come up with several alternative ways to include access to leaderboard and clubs at the same time. There are applications with far more buttons and functions out there. Any UX specialist would come with multitude of ways of solving such a trivial problem.

June 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/a_good_elf_531

Duolingo is the one who did that, not us!

July 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Coriander18

I hope I'm not located outside the Welsh club I'm in, three of us do actually do the word smashes, scenarios etc, and I also have a friend in the same club. It encourages us to do more Duo.

I've not done the update for android yet (prefer the interface and colours) and I've got used to the speakers voices. Finding it more difficult on the web page today. I'm only doing minimum and looking at discussions, then will go to mobile phone again tomorrow.

April 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tolunayo

It is occurring randomly to the club members. At least maintain a club at any moment across your languages or if you quit all your clubs (say to join another one) you might find that you are unable to join a club and stuck with leagues (some people had to logon from iOS or download a specific APK to come back to the club, I am not sure of those details since I'm on iOS)

April 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DJCurfew2017

don't even think about that anymore. duolingo shut down the club server thingy on may 31, so versions unaffected by leaderboards don't have club tab anymore :(

June 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tolunayo

That is right.

June 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/JPHQRO

My club has disappeared and it was my favorite part of Duolingo.

June 1, 2019
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