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The verb bí in relative clauses

In relative clauses, in the present tense, the verb bí appears as 'atá' or 'nach bhfuil'.

Feicim an bia atá ar an mbord.

All well. Now, in the past tense, is it 'a raibh' or 'a bhí'? I encounter both. Is there any difference? Has this confused anyone else?

Chonaic mé an bia a raibh ar an mbord, a bhí ar an mbord.

April 10, 2019

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Irish has two types of relative clauses: direct and indirect. Direct relative clauses use the independent forms of , e.g. atá or a bhí, and indirect relative clauses use its dependent forms, e.g. a bhfuil or a raibh. Note that a lenites in a direct relative clause, but eclipses in an indirect relative clause. (For negative relative clauses, nach and dependent forms are used in both types.)

An indirect relative clause is used if the clause is genitive or prepositional in nature, e.g. an bia a bhfuil a blas searbh (“the food whose taste is bitter”), an bord ar a raibh an bia leagtha (“the table on which the food was set”). Since your example sentence’s relative clause is neither genitive nor prepositional in nature, it would use the direct a bhí  in the past tense.

April 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KittDunne

Thank you so much. I'm rereading the section in Mac Congáil's grammar now. Nowhere does he set it out so clearly. Especially as pertains to bí. May something good happen to you Mr Scilling


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Note that the rules for   (which also apply to abair, déan, faigh, feic, and téigh) differ somewhat from those of other verbs; most verbs use ar rather than a for past-tense indirect relative clauses, and nár rather than nach for negative past-tense relative clauses of both types. Both ar and nár lenite.

The verb lean uses a leanas rather than a *leanann in positive direct relative clauses.

Is has its own rules, using combined forms of the relative particle and the verb:

relative clause present, before consonant present, before vowel past/conditional, before consonant past/conditional, before vowel
direct is is ba ab
indir. ar arb ar arbh
neg. nach nach nár nárbh

All of the past/conditional forms above lenite.


https://www.duolingo.com/profile/KittDunne

Thank you again. That relative 'is' for the copula is another tricky item as it appears in set phrases which I had thought were exceptions (MacC. p 180) but I guess it's safe to use, b'é an cheist ar chóir liom a fheiceáil samplaí de.

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