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"Mara understood the Klingons."

Translation:tlhInganpu' yaj mara.

April 21, 2019



Duolingo could use a font with italics for klingon, it took me a long time to realise what looks like a second lowercase L is an uppercase I on several words.


It's not only a problem here, but at other sites that use a single font like Facebook. At least here, if you look carefully you can see a small curl at the bottom of the lower case L. Also, as you get more familiar with the language you start to naturally recognize the patterns of vowels versus consonants and you start to recognize which is which by placement rather than by appearance.


Why is it still yaj if there is a verb object? I thought yaj is only for 3rd person no verb object.


I feel like you may be leaving out information, so I'm gonig to make some assumptions. Please let me know if I have assumed incorrectly. When you say, "still yaj", I think you mean instead of something like jIyaj or Dayaj or some version of yaj that has a prefix, right. So your understanding at this point is that the null prefix (the absence of a prefix) indicates "3rd person subject, no object", right? If that's true, then that is not a correct understanding.

The null prefix (yaj without any prefix on it) can also represent "3rd person subject, 3rd person object" and thus yaj can mean "she understands them". With no other information than just the word yaj there are too many possabilities of what it could mean. If we were in a conversation, the context of the conversation would probably make it clear who the subject was, if there was an object, and who the object is. But if I want to make it more clear, I can specify the subject and object, as in this sentence. There is definitely a clear subject and object in the sentence of this exercise.

Note that there is one exception to the null prefix being "3rd person subject and 3rd person object". If the 3rd person subject is plural and the 3rd person object is singular, there is a special prefix lu- which breaks the pattern of the null prefix.




That's exactly what the Klingon students say when learning English! Different languages do things differently. It makes a great brain exercise to learn a different way. Enjoy!


Why is klingon so complicated? I think i have a normal understandable sentance steucture thay has been used before in a lesson, but then it seems to change!


Because it's so different from English. It's not actually all that complicated, but the fact that it's so different from your base makes it seem very complicated. Are you reading the Tips & Notes? If the Tips & Notes aren't enough to help, feel free to come to these discussions and ask lots of questions.

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I don't understand why it isn't: tlhInganpu' yaj mara'e'. Would someone mind explaining?


Because there is no emphasis in the English that would make an -'e' be appropriate in the Klingon. Since the -e is not grammatically required by the verb yaj, adding the suffix has the effect of putting focus or emphasis on the noun. English does not have a great way of doing this. In spoken English you might say the word more strongly and in written English you might put the word in all caps. So your sentence might be translated, "MARA understood the Klingons. Or you can add some extra words to bring that focus: "It was Mara that understood the Klingons." In any case, the English sentence given in this exercise does not include any such emphasis and so it is not appropriate to use the suffix -'e'.


Hmm, given the Klingon word for inhabitant it makes me wonder if there was a planet tlhI' from which tlhIngans came from? Perhaps long ago.


Hmm, given the Klingon word for inhabitant it makes me wonder if there was a planet tlhI' from which tlhIngans came from? Perhaps long ago.

Not a planet, but on Kronos (the homeworld of Klingons) there is a district called Kling District (tlhIng yoS).

It's possible that tlhIngan may have originally meant "Inhabitant of Kling district" (with tlhIng ngan > tlhIngan along the lines of vulqan ngan > vulqangan).

But this is just speculation on my part -- I don't think there's canon for connecting tlhIngan and tlhIng yoS, and as far as I know, Kling District is only mentioned in one place (the Bird of Prey poster).


This. You get a lingot for excellent research. (or memory)


Or perhaps a region on Qo'noS called tlhIn.

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