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Duolingo now has two Japanese courses!

Three Japanese courses if you include the reverse tree. :P

Time to start laddering? ^^

April 24, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/testmoogle

Forwards trees for English speakers:

Reverse trees for English speakers:

Ladder trees for English speakers:

The new Japanese and Korean courses for Chinese speakers have been in the Incubator for several months and have just now both been released in beta.

The last four courses in this list don't exist at all on Duolingo yet (as far as I know) but it would be very awesome if they did—especially the two for Japanese speakers. ^^

April 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sara1190

Yeah it'd be a fun test to see how far I could get in a non-English course for Japanese speakers. I've been doing a bit of the English for Japanese speakers but English is my native language so it's not as good of a test.

April 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nanase-Miyuki

The last four courses in this list don't exist at all on Duolingo yet (as far as I know) but it would be very awesome if they did

I think Duo would consider making these courses for Japanese and Korean speakers if the Chinese speakers courses becomes successful. I'm not sure if you heard of Lingodeer, but they teach Chinese, Japanese, and Korean extensively and teach it better than on Duo. They even have the ladder trees you mentioned. But membership costs a fee or subscription depending on device and location. When I bought it it was $25.99 CAD ($20 USD) within 24 hours, but I don't know how much it is now. They just rolled out a desktop version this month but is still in beta and doesn't fully sync with progress from the phone.

@Sara1190 I want to try a non-English course for Japanese speakers as well when my Japanese gets good. As with English courses for X speakers I am just going to do those only for Spanish and other European languages for the time being as they are all similar and want to try out my skills.

April 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/testmoogle

Thanks for bringing the beta release of the web version of Lingodeer to my attention! I've tried the mobile app a few times in the past but never enjoyed using it. I had been hoping they'd make a web version of it. I've given it a go. Definitely needs keyboard shortcuts for the continue button and for the word blocks (a userscript could fix this though I guess). I might use it and pay for a subscription one day if the fully developed web version turns out well, but I'm still not really a fan yet. I'm certainly going to keep an eye on Lingodeer and how the web version develops now though. Thanks. ^^

April 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nanase-Miyuki

I tried out all the hiragana skills on the tree. One lesson already teaches you the kanji for the seasons (spring and autumm weren't taught) in the picture questions but does not provide furigana for pronunciation (although the kanji for both Japanese and Chinese are the same). This isn't featured in the Japanese for English speakers course when I tried it. It is fun comparing the Japanese hiragana words with the Mandarin Chinese words although I can't pronounce some of the Chinese characters in the questions. The hiragana skills doesn't teach some of the hiragana words that are present in the Japanese for English course's hiragana skills, but rather teaches them after the hiragana skills.

After the hiragana skills, the skills teaches some hiragana phrases and for translation, it would sometimes require Chinese words/phrases that the Chinese for English speakers course doesn't teach (as far as I can remember) nor can I pronounce them or understand what it means.

This course is repeating the mistakes of the Japanese for English course. For some of the kanji they teach the hiragana answers wouldn't match the pronunciation in the audio (ex. じん is the answer for 人 although the audio provided pronounces it as ひと), as you know that each kanji has different pronunciations depending on its usage in certain words and I don't understand why the contributors mismatch the kanji pronunciations for both audio and hiragana. In most sentences this course also omits most of the kanji just like the English version of the course, and using its equivalent hiragana instead which makes it harder and confusing for beginners. If you hover over one of these words you don't get the Japanese kanji displayed but instead its Chinese equivalent which are not the same (ex. 我 is used in description of わたし instead of the Japanese 私 although they teach it later on). They also don't make a separate skill for katakana which makes things unorganized and given the lack of tips and notes currently, it makes things more confusing for new learners to understand why there are two kanas, the diacritics (the " and circle), sokuon, and Yō-on.

Since kanji and Chinese characters are the same, you can match a Chinese character with its equivalent kanji right at the spot most of the time in the questions and pronunciation is the only difference between them (hiragana and pinyin). I won't recommend taking this course if you don't know most of the Chinese characters in Mandarin Chinese and if you can't pronounce most of them.

I'm done with this tree at Hobbies skill as it's getting harder the more I progress and the more Kanji that is missing. I won't be doing this tree again until I redo the Japanese for English speakers course here and on Lingodeer next year.

May 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LoganMack11

What exactly is a reverse tree?

April 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sara1190

Doing the English course for Japanese speakers, I'm assuming.

April 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IsakNygren1

How is the difficulty for the English for Japanese speakers if being on N5 level? Too many advanced Kanjis?

April 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/testmoogle

It would be extremely difficult for someone at N5 level to complete. It will be a struggle not only in terms of kanji but also the grammar. Also, unlike this course there is no word bank (not on web at least; no idea about in the app), so you have to be able to type the Japanese answers.

However, a challenge is a good thing. People at N5 level might as well try it and see how far they can get at least. Just have a dictionary on hand and look up the new grammar concepts. ^^

For an idea of whether there are "too many advanced kanji"... Even just tonight in the couple of rounds of Timed Practice I did to extend my streak, take for example this following sentence that was in one of the rounds:

The grammar here is very basic N5 level. However, the word for "dust" has been written in kanji... This kanji 埃 (ほこり, "dust") isn't even one of the 2,136 jōyō kanji! There's no furigana or audio. You're just expected to be able to read this non-jōyō kanji. :P

April 25, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/IsakNygren1

Wow, thanks for the explanation. I guess I will wait until I reach higher levels before I try to finish the reverse tree.

April 25, 2019
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