Swedish for English Speakers is now in the Incubator!
Many of you have been asking for Scandinavian languages on Duolingo. Today, we're excited to share that Swedish for English speakers is being added to the Incubator. You'll see more Scandinavian languages for English Speakers soon.
I'm excited about this, not because I have any plans to learn Swedish but because this will reduce the number of new discussion topics by at least 30%.
Nope we're actually moving onto Croatian next. Expect a new discussion thread on the matter soon.
I'm kidding! :P
Oh, come on, don't be grumpy, give Swedish a try! :-)
Also, I guess you mean "reduce the number of old, rehashed discussion topics"...?
I guess you mean "reduce the number of old, rehashed discussion topics"...?
Yes -- time for some fresh new discussion topics like "Finnish? When's Finnish coming? Duolingo this is absolutely unacceptable, I demand Finnish! Graaarh!" etc.
(I have to admit I was a little sad that Luis said "more Scandinavian languages soon", not "more Nordic languages"...)
It would be nice if soon they can add Czech, Norwegian, and some of the Asian languages
Don't worry, I doubt his pedantry is as prominent as ours. ;) We have hope yet! :P
Oh the joy I'd get from Finnish though!
I'm hanging out for Finnish. I'm learning it at home on my own, but I know it would be much faster with Duolingo to help me.
Becoming comfortably fluent in Finnish is one of my life goals! As much as I love the other languages on my list, I can't say that they are life goals - I just absolutely adore the sound of Finnish; no idea what it is about the language that does it. I loved Finnish even years before I realised I had any love for learning languages. :P
Good luck with it! :) I'll definitely see you on the Finnish Duolingo forums when it finally does come!
I had dabbled a tiny bit a while back, but I stopped myself from getting too into it because I have too many languages to worry about first (one's that I need for more practical reasons - although I love them too, just not as much :P). I'm constantly tempted to go back to it.
My current plan involves improving my German slowly, catching my Spanish up to my German by October (I'm studying these two), and starting Swedish in October, so that Swedish is ready for studying in Sweden the following year. Not much room for Finnish just yet :'(
What are you using to study Finnish? I might have a sneaky look... >_> I don't remember much, just a greeting (I think it is for multiple people though): Moi Kaikki!
Sometimes I watch Finnish vloggers on youtube just to hear the sound of the language :P
Have you started Finnish? I am on chapter 3, and haven't got any further recently because I'm currently trying to finish my Italian tree. I should be back to it within the month though. You certainly will see me in the Finnish forum :)
You are right, 'moi kaikki' is like 'hello everyone'. I am using 'Beginners Finnish by Agi Risko'. It is a book with two CD's. I really like it, although obviously I would love for Finnish to come to Duolingo, the interactiveness seems to work well for me. I also use the Finnish Pod 101 to listen occasionally.
Studying in Sweden sounds like an awesome opportunity, I am very jealous.
I downloaded a free audiobook in Finnish, and sometimes I listen to it just to hear the language. At the moment I can only pick about one word every minute or so that I understand, but as you say, it just sounds so nice. :)
Now it depends... how does he interpret Scandinavia? In the strict meaning of Denmark-Norway-Sweden, or also including Iceland and Finland? I know some Danes, and they all say that Finland is part of Scandinavia too. Some also say Iceland is, others not.
This can still mean about five Sami languages, as well as Finnish and Meänkieli, which are recognised minority languages in Sweden ;)
Tack så mycket Luis! I didn't see it coming which makes the surprise all the sweeter. Thank you for all the hard work behind the scenes!
Those stroopwafels look really good :) Do you...eh...want some Irish Stew?....Who am I kidding? That's not a convincing case....
Is it within the Duolingo guidelines to offer some of that black liquid gold you have?
As for fish, I'd actually recommend sticking to gravad lax and the regular, unfermented kind of herring. Hmmm ... delicious.
You all make some compelling arguments...who knew the the route from language learning to someone's stomach was so direct?
@3IRIK: I was writing to a collaborator on the Irish team, so I was referring to the kind of black gold that comes bottled and on tap and which has a light foam on top...
Sweden doesn't have oil (I assume black liquid gold refers to oil). I think you're thinking of Norway.
We can always trump that with the ideal Dutch snack to go with your beer, bitterballen!
@annika_a: well, I have a lot of foreign colleagues, and literally all of them love bitterballen. It's easy to criticise Dutch cuisine and often people are right in doing so, but bitterballen are clearly above that.
@Susande: As a pescatarian who used to live in Belgium, I remain unconvinced. You know the joke about religion not being the reason they drew a border between the Netherlands and Belgium...? ;-)
You've got some lovely cheeses, though, I'll give you that. And pancakes. This is turning into a foodie thread. Although I am extremely enthusiastic about Swedish being added to the Incubator, I still have kalakukko to look forward to.
Maybe there's a reason they're not widely available...? ;-)
As opposed to, say, meatballs combined with lingonberry jam (and flat packed furniture).
@annika_a hmm maybe if the Dutch had made IKEA.... also, frozen bitterballen would not be good D:
I used to live in Norway, I can't remember these dishes will try them.. ;) takk
jellied fish, you actually want that? I have been served that every year around christmas since I was born, it's supposed to be an acquired taste, but I'm still not a fan ;)
I've never had it, but I'm willing to try (almost) anything once. It can't be worse than surströmming, surely.
I think there's a universal rule that every country has to have a "special" national dish for scaring visitors. Except for Nordic countries, which have several :-).
I live in Minnesota, and lut(e)fisk, as well as many other scandinavian dishes, are traditional here. That stuff is only eaten by the old swedes and norwegians, I can't believe they have the stomach to eat it.
I have the same dilemma... plus Greek :D I guess the first reverse course for English speakers of these tree languages that appears in the incubator will be my priority...
Graawr. I was so hoping for Esperanto. Congrats to the people who wanted Swedish.
I feel ya! But Swedish is also awesome. Hoping for Esperanto for the next time... =)
While as a voter for Swedish in that poll I am a little happy we seem to have jumped the queue ahead of you (although Scandinavia combined would easily win) I respect as winners Esperanto should be on here too.
Good luck on your journey!
I wasn't even expecting it because of the poll. When Irish for English speakers was posted, Luis finished the comment saying that we might get Esperanto soon. And when they first announced the very concept of the incubator, the image had Esperanto's flag at the front. So they keep hinting at it, but it hasn't happened yet.
I think it is obvious why though - they said Swedish would be this month (and clearly they've cut it quite close as the month had just over 24 hours left, depending on your time zone), where-as they never specified a date with Esperanto (that I know of - correct me if I'm wrong). I suspect they probably would have waited longer still to add Swedish if not for having already tied themselves in to a date. And while they could've went beyond the month, as many were expecting it by this point, I think they probably feel it's in their best interests to bring some credibility to their estimates.
Please make Icelandic the next (Germanic) language! It's quite hard to find good resources for it, and it's both a really pretty and prettily complex (might be offputting for some, not for me) and as a bonus it's quite close to the ancient Germanic languages (Old Norse, English and German). Not as close as many people claim, but still quite.
Oh, my goodness! Finally, the glory of Swedish has dawned upon us! I'm so exited!
My thanks in advance to the awesome collaborators for their time and effort. Happy incubating, guys!
Edit: I didn't even realize the course will be for English speakers. Although I had my suspicions this would happen, I didn't really have my hopes up. That makes it so much more exciting and amazing! I can't wait!
Very glad to hear about this. I have a friend who has always wanted to learn Swedish, so this is perfect. I don't want to distract from this great news, but I'm still holding out hope that Esperanto will be added to the incubator as well. Both Swedish and Esperanto dominated the latest poll, and I'm sure the Esperanto community would develop the incubator at record speed. That said, I may have to take a crack at Swedish once it's ready ;)
So, does this Norwegian dude get to contribute to a course soon? I'm ready for the challenge! :)
I'm glad you decided to do Swedish for English speakers without doing English for Swedish speakers first. Excellent choice.
Being from San Francisco, I've met a lot of Swedes from tourism and so I am fully aware that most Swedes speak English at an excellent level. However, wouldn't an English for Swedish speakers benefit young Swedes learning English?
I hope they'll build that one afterwards, but I think it was a good choice to start with the Swedish for English. What I'd really like to see for Swedes though would be courses in other languages. Especially more difficult languages like French or Russian. It would make it a bit easier to learn those languages if more people could do it from their own languages. Also it would be great to get the opportunity to translate into one's own language in Immersion. I know this probably won't happen very soon, but I'd love for Duolingo to become even more lateral than it already is, offering courses between more and more languages.
I guess Duolingo is targeted more to a bit older audience than ten-year-olds (I started learning English in school when I was 9 years old, which is a common age in Finland to start on a second language, and I guess it is about the same in Scandinavian countries).
Having an English for Swedish course (and English for Finnish etc) is a good idea but it would probably make more sense to stack the tree a bit differently, skip the basics or run through them very quickly and concentrate on more advanced issues.
Since Finnish is your native tongue, do you understand Swedish?
I know your profile states that you know some Swedish, but do you understand what you haven't learned yet?
Do you also understand Norwegian, Danish and Icelandic?
I've read that if you speak one nordic langauge, you have the ability to understand them all, somewhat. Is this true?
EDIT: Of course! I momentarily forgot that Finnish is an unrelated language and not part of that so-caled 'mutual intelligibility' group.
Thank you both for your responses.
Be aware that Finnish is a completely unrelated language to Swedish/Norwegian/Danish/Icelandic. Finnish isn't even Indo-European, nevermind North-Germanic! Beautiful language though. :)
It's Swedish, Norwegian, and Danish which are said to be mutually comprehensible to varying degrees depending on particular dialects. Icelandic is much more conservative and wouldn't share the same intelligibility. I'd be interested to hear what a native of Danish/Swedish/Norwegian has to say about it.
Quite right. I'm a native Swedish speaker (and have never studied Icelandic), if I look at an Icelandic text I might be able to guess what it's about, but not much more. Icelandic also has a history of strong linguistic purism which makes it harder to learn.
People from the parts of Sweden that are closest to Denmark/Norway understand those languages better, but we can all communicate if we try. There are some very difficult dialects though. Norway has lots of them because of both geography (think fjords) and history, some of them are very hard for Swedes, some are easier. Danish has a pronunciation that is pretty far from how the language is written, so it's hard generally because of that until you get the hang of it, and some dialects may be hard to understand even for other Danes, from what I've heard. – Sweden also used to have much dialectal variation, but we're moving more towards regional standard spoken languages so it's getting less difficult. Since Swedish is the biggest language, Danes and Norwegians used to be better at Swedish than the other way around. But nowadays, a lot of young Swedes go to work in Oslo or Copenhagen, and then there's the bridge…
Finnish is, as you say, not even Indoeuropean, so Swedish isn't much help there, although there are similarities (they have lots of compound words just like we do, for instance). Finnish also has a very special phonology that has made it very difficult for them to create loan words – the phonology is so strict that few foreign words fit in the Finnish patterns. (bank -> pankki is one they did squeeze in). Good thing about Finnish phonology: spelling is really easy. I'd love to learn a little Finnish, I think it is a beautiful language.
To read Norwegian (I think both versions, but at least one of them but I do not remember which one is which one) and Danish is not difficult for a Swedish speaking person, and Swedish is not difficult to read for Norwegian or Danish speakers (that is to read it silent and understand the text - to pronounce it correct is another issue).
The spoken languages are different. It is like Danish and Swedish are at the end points of a continuum with Norwegian in between (my personal opinion).
And as Arnauti says, you can understand if you put your mind to it, and Danish and Norwegian speakers tend to understand Swedish better than vice versa. Abroad we often have the same guides/translators/interpreters speaking "Scandinavian", that is choosing the easiest words understandable by all and giving several words when the languages differ a lot.
Icelandic is much more difficult to understand, both written and orally. Some words would be decipherable though.
I once (not too long ago) saw in a Swedish magazine on language a comparison of a text in ancient Swedish, contemporary Swedish and contemporary Norwegian (don't remember which Norwegian - perhaps both). The two contemporary texts were very similar and easy to understand, while the old Swedish were like a totally different language. Still the old and contemporary Swedish are considered versions of the same language - Swedish - while Swedish and Norwegian are considered different languages. There is much truth in the saying that a language is a dialect with an army ...
(My native language is Swedish)
I'm norwegian (with a northern dialect), I have few problems with understanding swedish (but I had to get a dictionary when reading academic text's in swedish). Danish is easy to read, as written norwegian in large parts are derived from danish. But I have problems understanding spoken danish sometimes, and they have problems with understanding me. But it's all a matter of practice and exposure.
Icelandic and faroese are too far removed to be fully understood without actual study. I can read a short text and puzzle it out, but I would not be able to rely on it for academic reading...
I speak some Swedish, everyone gets taught it at school...I'll probably give the Duo course a go once it gets out of the incubator though I'll probably ace through the basic lessons (but I'm definitely not fluent in Swedish).
Finnish doesn't help at all, it is completely unrelated to the Scandinavian languages. But with my Swedish I can often get at least a gist of Norwegian and something of Danish, but Icelandic is too far off. I don't know if native speakers of Swedish understand it better...
YAAAAAAAAAAAAASSS Thank you Duolingo! I am so excited :D I cannot put into words the love and appreciation I feel for this site <3
Aw yea, I just realized that we may (relatively) soon have the cheesy flirting skill for Swedish! Bring it on duo! Please and thank you ;)
Yes! I tried learning Swedish on Babbel 2 years ago. It didn't work out too well. Duolingo will be able to teach me the language I've always wanted to learn!
This is a haaaaaappy day! Wonderful, truly wonderful news! ก็็็็็็็็็็็็็ʕ•͡ᴥ•ʔ ก้้้้้้้้้้้ 〈( ˘.˘)ノ ┗(＾▾＾)┓
This is great news! Thank you Luis, I can't wait to see even more languages added. Thank you for all your amazing work on this site :)
I WON ANNIKA's "Guess the next incubator language challenge." WOO HOO. In all seriousness, though, its good to see even more languages in the incubator. But have they made English for Swedish speakers yet? Because Luis says Swedish for English speakers is being made and I don't remember there being one in the incubator.
something for the English speakers to get the language first instead of having to do it in reverse
Congratulation to Luis and his team of Staff and the countless volunteers that make it all happen
I thought I saw a Facebook post on Duolingo (October 15, 2013) that there was an English for Swedish speakers course! But when I look at the courses in the Incubator now, it seems to have been scrapped (I think it's because Swedish speakers are very fluent in English)... (And sorry, I don't know how to make links)
We from Scandinavia speak really good English which means we don't need English for Swedish speakers
I agree. Almost everyone I know from Finland or Sweden just watches movies without any subtitles, writes and reads English every day because of the internet and speaks it quite well. It's not perfect, but everyone understands what they're saying or trying to say.
Skål (cheers) is not used figurative on Danish - use tak (thanks) instead. I'm 99% sure this applies to Swedish as well.
I would have hoped for Danish to come first, but Swedish is good too as I think I can complete it within a week when it comes in beta.
This is a technical question: the Scandinavian languages sometimes use suffixes instead of prefixes (a car = EN bil, the car = bilEN). This means that the questions asking you to enter the word for XXX would have to be fixed to allow you to select a suffix instead of a prefix - has this been fixed?
And by the way when will the best Scandinavian language (Danish) come into the incubator?
You're right about how "Skål" is used in Swedish. I hope we'll get Danish soon too. I'm Swedish and love Denmark, but I'm not very good at Danish, a Duolingo course would be very helpful. My dream for the future of Duolingo would be to have stuff like Danish for Swedish speakers and vice versa too. Just imagine how much we could put in a tree if we didn't have to go via English!
The I am one fourth Norwegian and courses directly between Danish, Swedish and Norwegian would be great! The problem is that we from Scandinavia speak each other's languages good, but we aren't good at spelling... I imagine a Danish/Swedish team with one Danish contributor taking care of translations to Danish and a Swedish contributor taking care of translations to Swedish.
I hope people will volunteer to make such courses, then it might happen. I don't speak either Danish or Norwegian well enough to help out, but I'd love to learn them on Duolingo. But the people who have actually studied another Nordic language should be very good at it, I hope some of them apply to make such courses. I'm sure that the number and ”quality” of applicants to build a course is a factor when they decide what courses to build next.
I think for the questions asking you to enter a suffixed word they will just ask you to write that word (Like if you've ever tried an X to English course).
YES! This is great news, I´m so excited for the scandinavian languages to be introduced :D
As a child I loved the Swedish Chef. I can't believe I am the only Muppets fan among Duolinguists. How many wonderful moments trying to fathom what he was saying while making all those meatballs.
Urdu-speakers and Bosnians both make great meatballs, too. In case menus help steer the next language releases. :)
Actually, so are all Swedish speakers! Because to us, the "Swedish" chef do not sound at all like speaking Swedish!
I had no idea about the Swedish-Finnish connection. I laughed and learned -- just like watching the Muppets. Thanks!
I am a fan, also. (As a matter of fact, it has not been that long since my last impersonation of the Swedish Chef). ;-)
Välkommen! And so is Swahili, I see! Dunno how to say welcome in Swahili, though (yet)...
No stinkin' way! I'm learning Swahili! Jambo!
Edit: Dang. It was pulled...now my Friday has been ruined. ;)
A little sw/sv-confusion, probably... I was already thinking that it was strange that English-->Swahili would be taught before Swahili-->English.
I see Swahili for English speakers is also in the Incubator..................but for some reason its icon is the French flag?
How quick is that! Bravo DL. I only saw my first disgruntled posts about the lack of Scandanavian languages, less than a couple of weeks ago. But It seems the incubator is on full-Throttle :)
Luis had already mentioned Swedish coming soon in his AMA on Reddit a few weeks ago, way before the campaigning started.
Oh I must have missed it. I usually see them. I'm looking forward to seeing Finnish and Norwegian, both of which I'd like to try.
Yes, YES YES!!!!!
Thank you Luis, thank you Duolingo! Thank you for listening to our campaign and to the voters (in the poll scandinavian combined would be landslide)
I will continue to work through french and really can't wait until I can start Swedish! Thank you so much!
Excellent! I was so hoping this would be the case! My timeline involves getting my Spanish to where my German is over the next few months (until October) and then taking up Swedish in preparation of going to Sweden to study. This just about works out perfectly :D
I just had a little dance party of celebration. I cannot wait until it will be released! Plus, I'm part Swedish. It's my goal to learn all languages from my heritage. I have German (Germany and Switzerland), Irish, Czech, Swedish, Danish, and Polish decent.
This and Japanese are the two languages I've most been wanting. I'm so excited to read this!
Is this the first time that a course has been added without the "reverse" [new language] -> [already-on-DL language] course being completed first?
Ah, that makes sense -- the market for an Irish-to-English course is presumably not very large :-).
Excited to learn Swedish, and to finally see a Scandinavian language on Duolingo! Thank you and keep up the excellent work :)
Omg Yes ive been waiting for this since the very beginning of the incubator! Im very excited for this!
Kul med svenska på Duolingo!
Nice to see Duolingo adding more languages :) Especially my native language.
Das sind gute Nachrichten! This is very good news, it's exciting seeing all the new languages that are to come.
Will this help me get a discount at IKEA? True story: My wife has night frights and also talks in her sleep on occasion (Her native langauge is Spanish and her second langauge is English). The other night she sat up and yelled "Haj Do." Normally that would mean nothing to me, but we shop at IKEA and when you leave it is painted on the wall next to the exit in letters about four feet high along with a translation (Good Bye).
OHH MAH GAWSH! I'm soooooo excited! I can't wait to learn my ancestors language!
Takk! I have trouble with adverb placement in my languages, since it varies tons from language to language.
Will my understanding of German help me with Swedish?? Anyway, great news every time languages are added to the incubator
It will help a bit, at least in vocabulary: a number of words are somewhat similar once you get a hang on the spelling and understanding Swedish becomes easier if you have background in German.
I believe german will help quite a bit. English will help even more and maybe a bit french.
AaaaaAAaaah ! Soooo great news :) I had voted for Danish, maybe it will come later :)
Well, it was an unofficial poll posted by a fan in the discussion thread. Look for it in the main discussion forum, I cannot find it quickly
Wooohooo!!!! I was waiting for this day for so long! Now just a little more patience till the course is complete plus reverse courses for Dutch and Greek appear on Duolingo and I will be done with my wish list and have thins to learn for at least 5 years :D. You totally made my day today with these news!!!
Det är jettebra med svenska! But i'm still hoping danish get's added at some point also :)
That's Norwegian which is split into Bokmål and Nynorsk, Swedish only has one variant as far as I know.
How exciting! I can't wait to take this course :) I am on tenterhooks waiting for the first crowd sourced course for English speakers to come into Beta. I wonder which will be the first? :D
That's amazing! I applied in the Incubator once for Danish for English speakers, maybe i'll actually get in :)
Great! I'd need some Swedish studying! I haven't really needed my Swedish anywhere so I've forgotten a lot!
According to the Incubator, Swedish,Dutch and Irısh will be completed in a few months. It's going to be really hard to choose!
i just had a look at the incubator and there was a recent update on the course by contributor arnauti! it says that the beta will probably be out by middle of august. im really excited!!
Everyone thats want to learn swedish in advance: talk to me on email or kik. I am a native speaker that obviously speaks fluent swedish so if you have any questions or want to learn/have swedish conversations, leave an email to: firstname.lastname@example.org or kik me at: tennisandpiano
I would be grateful if you knew american/japanese or french so i could practice more on those in return :) thanks //Lukas
I wouldn't hold your breath, this course has been constantly delayed every week (original was early August I think).
Yeah, I know, I've been following it for a long time, and mainly since I've been in Sweden. I miss a feature in the Incubator to say "I'm interested on learning it", not only contributing to the course. In my point of view it would motivate contributors more as well as give them a better view to how many people they are delivering the course.
I just saw today that it is now expected to Oct,10th .. :(
Thank you so so much. I initially started thee old Swedish thread on the forums :-) so I am very happy to see this becoming implemented. How long does it take to get a language through the Incubator? Is it around a year?
This is great! Always wanted to learn a bit of some sort of Scandinavian language.
When is it possible to see the result? I know a lot of refugees in Sweden looking for possibilities to learn Swedish before the official courses can be started.
Ow great! Last year I was in Denmark and discovered I could read Danish not too badly - I do speak the germanic languages Dutch, English, German and Frysian already. But I was completely at loss when Danish was spoken: is the written and spoken language one and the same? I had trouble to believe this and decided to take a course before my next holiday to Denmark, next year. Just got back to DuoLingo and was happy to see this course. So, I'm diving head-first into it, and at the same time I just keep trying to improve my French as well.
Hej, alla! I just started a twitter for people interested in learning Swedish. You can follow it at https://twitter.com/DailySvenska I don't know exactly what it will become, but right now I'm tweeting one common phrase everyday. I hope you enjoy it - and it helps getting a little swedish into your daily lifes! Thanks for the attention. Skål!
I love learning new languages and I am learning swedish in school and I want to get ahead and practise!