https://www.duolingo.com/ColinWatkinsWK

Looking for Duolingo fans in London

[Reposting for clarification, sorry about that guys!]

Hello! We are inviting a few Duolingo users in London to get their photos taken by an amazingly talented photographer responsible for portraits like these:

We are interested in capturing some real users of Duolingo to share in an internal project and on social media, and would like to open the opportunity to our forum community, where many of our most passionate users are. If you are in London, England, on May 11th 2019, and over 18, we’d love for you to participate! Limited spaces—so if this sounds interesting to you, let us know here before May 7th, and we will send you an email with more details before you commit to anything.

We can’t wait to hear from you!

May 1, 2019

57 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/alpha3099

Still no mention of any sort of contract or agreement you are asking the talent to sign?

What sort of compensation do the models get? Payment? Pictures? What of value are they receiving? Are you paying the photographer? If so, and you are not paying the additional talent, why not?

What is the definition of „social media“? Is it only currently available platforms? Does it include something like reddit? Or strictly the traditional things?

What is the time frame you can use these pictures? Are you asking for image rights for one year? 5 years? In perpetuity? Can they only be used with the Duolingo brand? If Duolingo is sold 15 years from now and the purchaser wants to use these photos for a car advertisement, can they? Does the photographer own the images as well and can use them in any way they see fit (normally the answer is yes)?

Do the models get photo approval? If they find an image unflattering do they have the option to tell you that you cannot use it? Or can you just use a terrible and embarrassing photo of them without their approval? If they get photo approval, what percentage of photos must they approve? How long do they have to make the approvals?

What happens in the unlikely event that someone gets injured in the course of the Photoshoot? What if the photographer asks the model to stand on a small ledge and they fall 3 feet and break their ankle? Who is liable? What actions are to be followed in order to resolve this?

What if the talent has tattoos? Has approval been given for the artists intellectual property? What if someone is wearing clothing with a trademarked or registered logo on it? What if they are wearing an item of clothing with trademarked or registered artwork on it? What if the artist who owns said intellectual properties, and potentially others, sees their trademarked or registered art or logo and wants a fair share of business profits reasonably obtained through the usage of their art.

I have about 100 more questions I can keep asking about this.

But my biggest concern is still that you are asking people to do free labor for you with no indication of any sort of payment either through cash or in kind. I find this ethically questionable especially since if you do use via social media or as any other sort of ad, you have direct business gain, while there is no personal gain for the talent.

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ColinWatkinsWK

Hi alpha3099. I completely understand your concern. This is an open call for people who are interested in this event, so it did not seem necessary to cover all of the details of a release form in the forum announcement, which we revised to be shorter and clearer.

Everyone who is interested participating is encouraged to let us know via the link in the post, and rest assured we will send more detailed information for their review via email before they commit to anything or submit further information to us. This is a professional photographer who has worked with this type of project before, and selected participants would need to sign a release form before taking any pictures—which should cover any additional missing points or scenarios. Good question!

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/FLchick

I can’t believe the inquisition this call for a photo-op for Duolingo users in London England sparked.

May 5, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiyomice

Some people are happy to do things like this for without payment since it's fun, and it's for a website they enjoy. I'd be down for it if it were closer to where I live. Sadly I don't live all the way in London! I don't think it's unethical to ask people if they want to be photographed. They're not forcing you to do it, and you don't have to do it if you don't want to :).

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper

Perhaps Duolingo wants to show off REAL, engaged users, not selected "picture perfect" models who don't really use Duolingo. To be genuine - authenticity.

If they'd offer money, it might attract people who are there for the money, not because they're engaged users.

It might be unethical to ask somebody to do their JOB for free, but we're not talking about models here, but "random" people who'd WANT to be part of it. And there IS gain for the "talent" since it would be something they'd WANT to do / would like to be a part of. It might be something they take pride in or whatever their motive would be, but since they're wanting to show up, they obviously have a type of gain - even if that is just supporting Duolingo.

May 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiyomice

Wonderfully said, elvper.

May 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ricardo270025

As a sometime freelance writer, I cannot rate this post highly enough.

May 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper

But that would be your job / hobby intended to provide income. In this case they aren't requesting professionals or hobbyists, but simply real authentic users.

May 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

Duolingo does let us learn for free although they make money off us from the adds. I suppose it would be up to the individual to decide whether they wanted to "give something back" for the "free use" of the website.

I would want to know what my pictures would be used for and that there would be no inappropriate use of them if I was taking part in this.

May 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper

This is definitely an improvement over the initial post :P (not that I personally minded the first all that much).

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/devalanteriel

Thank you for listening and re-posting this, Colin. Much improved version. Really appreciate it.

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/datartist2006

How do ya know if you can trust this lad?

May 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Kiyomice

ColinWatkinsWK is an admin of Duolingo. You can see a blue ring around their avatar, which if you hover over it, will show you that they are an "admin". Their post is also stickied, which can only be done by Duolingo staff. These things can assure you they are an official staff of Duolingo and thus it is safe to trust that this post is legitimate.

May 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Bohdan842587

i live in london and i am free on that date

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/SpdyPedro

I'm interested in this! I sent in a form.

May 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Jasmine32845

I'd really love to come and participate but I live in more of the middle of England, it's a shame, it seems like fun. :')

May 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/AmoLeoCarolina

lovely stuff

May 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Arkadios200

Duolingo learners are not "fans". We're not here to suck up to the staff. We're here to learn one or more languages, and many here would appreciate it if that was Duolingo's focus, rather than publicity stunts and aesthetic updates.

May 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper

Publicity is an integral part of about any business. Some might be "fans".

May 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Arkadios200

Duolingo's a non-profit.

May 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper

Non-profits advertise too. For example charities. I have never seen anything that suggests Duolingo is a non-profit.

May 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Arkadios200

The fact that they don't make any money from it, which is the literal definition of a non-profit organization...?

May 8, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper

You're confusing what it means. Not having made profit doesn't make an organization a non-profit, by that account any new organization would be a "non-profit" since few make profit in the first few years.

I've never seen it stated anywhere that Duolingo doesn't aim to make profit and based on the what I know about how they've been getting financed it's very highly unlikely that it wouldn't be aimed at making a profit for those who invested money.

Terms like non-profit are often also legal terms, bound to certain conditions and protections, which as far as I know Duolingo doesn't fall under. Thus unless you have a good source, nope Duolingo isn't a non-profit.

Edit, Googled it and lo and behold:

Luis Von Ahn: "we're not a non-profit"

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-business-model-of-Duolingo

May 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Sean405747

Sadly, I left London a few days ago . . .

May 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ootapac

Now thats annoying leaving London just a few days ago!

May 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/David-A-.

wow this looks promising

May 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/RandomTed

I could make it to London Ontario population 400,000. Since it is the closest London to the Duolingo head office. (A mere 6 hour drive) I assume that is the one you mean.

(I know you mean London England. It's just annoying when people, usually those who live in the UK forgot about the existence of other places that share the name of places in the UK.)

If you are curious London is also the name of about 20 places in the USA and several other places around the world including one on a island called Christmas Island.

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ColinWatkinsWK

You have a point there. Added the clarifying ", England."

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LICA98

when you write London it's assumed that it's in England (unless context suggests otherwise)

do you also suggest that when writing Paris, Moscow, or Athens we have to mention the country as well (as there are such cities in the USA as well)?

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Bohdan842587

i nearly always say London UK so there is no confusion especially online because there are other places in the world which have the same name.

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/susanstory

Yeah, such as St. Paul, Alberta and St. Paul, Minnesota

There is a village in Alberta, Canada called "Vilna" and there is also a town called Vilna in Europe somewhere.

There was a story on the news some time ago, where a young guy from some place in Europe, wanted to fly to Sidney, Australia for a holiday. He got on a flight which was very cheap. When the plane landed, he found that he was in Sidney, Nova Scotia in Canada, not in Australia.

I don't remember the whole story, but they said he wasn't dressed for the cold weather.

He was thinking it was going to be hot when he landed, not freezing cold. So much for "global warming".

May 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/RandomTed

Yes I do.

Because context can be read many different ways. For example thinking that since Duolingo is based in North America, then they are talking about a London in North America.

Also I have learnt that one should not always assume that everyone you talk to online on an international forum looks at everything from your context and with your background information.

For example I would not even assume that if I say, "Ottawa" everyone would think, "Oh, the capital of Canada".

I also see no reason for not including a little extra information.

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/garpike

For example I would not even assume that if I say, "Ottawa" everyone would think, "Oh, the capital of Canada".

I'm confused: do you mean Canada, Kansas or Canada, Kentucky? My wall map stops at the 49th parallel, so I naturally assume that nothing exists beyond that.

May 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/AdamKean

I see your point, I'm just surprised to see it in reference to somewhere outside the USA.

It's just annoying when people, usually those who live in the UK forgot about the existence of other places that share the name of places in the UK.

It is an almost daily occurrence, that I see someone refer to a place in the USA and not state the country it's in. The state if you're lucky, but then you have to know the fifty states to realise which country they're referring to. Obviously your mileage varies drastically from mine here, but in my experience the people from the USA are way out in front when it comes to this.

To be able to do this only for places that exist elsewhere with the same name, you'd have to know that beforehand, so either we should always state the country of the place we're talking about, or just live and let live, and ask if it's ever unclear.

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/HerrArbo

It's annoying when people say "Boston" but don't clarify whether they mean Boston USA or Boston, England.

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/compsognathus

I think it is context dependent as well as which city is more well known. Around here (at least in MA) when anyone says Boston it's pretty much a given.

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LukeProcto6

My manager was supposed to book us a hotel in Boston (Lincolnshire, UK) after a conference the other month, and when we got there found out he has mega screwed up and had booked online for the one in the US. Work had to upgrade us to a better hotel as the intended cheaper one was fully booked!

He hasn't lived that stupidity down since.

May 3, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/tjatwood42

I honestly had no idea that there's a Boston, England. Guess you learn something new every day :)

May 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Freyaspark

i have known since 5 years old

May 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Phil682961

And spare a thought for these folks:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York,_Tyne_and_Wear

May 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper

Meh, fake Londons :P.

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/RandomTed

:p

London Ontario is not fake London England! The fake London England is in the city of Suzhou China.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/chinas-fake-cities-eerie-replicas-paris-london-jackson/story?id=36525453

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper

Canadians are just worse at copying things compared to the Chinese xD.

May 1, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/datartist2006

That's not nice T^T. My aunt is Canadian.

May 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/elvper

I'm not sure if my comment speaks to the advantage of Canadians or Chinese people, a matter of perspective :P.

May 2, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Corinnebelle

Anyone heard of New England?

May 6, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Midday8

As it turns out, there is more than one London in the UK - and there is even a Canada in the UK too. Google maps is your friend if you are curious about place names.

May 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ootapac

I'm not passionate but I do like London except it's too far away because I live in North Wales ;p XD

May 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/chitchitbechanh

Ask you to consider yourself and support a like(https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/32072339)

May 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/PokemonUnite

I am not in London but I can not wait to know or see pictures when they are taken!

May 7, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/ColinWatkinsWK

Thank you to everyone that came along on Saturday to have your picture taken. It was a lot of fun meeting you, and hearing your stories and ideas about Duolingo.

May 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Freyaspark

why people in London

May 4, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/trai137801

I am suffering from clinical depression and after a couple days learning a new language i felt somehow Better about myself and it impacted my daily life in a good way.

May 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/mudisloud

Dang nabbit. I wanted to be there but I'm not in London and I'm a minor. I guess I to wait a while.

May 9, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MadisonStr672956

i used to live in london?

May 10, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/AmyPonceSa

cree k puedan superarme

May 13, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/AmyPonceSa

porque yo no lo creo

May 13, 2019
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