No More Levels in Drop-Down Menu?

So it seems that Duolingo has revamped the site's look today, and there is one new change I'm not very thrilled with. The drop-down menu used to be organised by what level your language was at. So the language with your highest level would be listed at the top, and your lowest-level language would be listed at the bottom. Part of my study system is to cycle through the languages I'm doing from top to bottom, then rinse and repeat. It's kind of fun when you "level up" a language (even though it probably doesn't mean that much in the greater scheme of things) and I also found it rather amusing sometimes when one language would "overtake" another.

But now the languages have been completely reorganised so that the order reflects the one you most recently did. Thus, the language I'm currently on is listed at the top, and the language I last did is listed below that, and whatever language I did the longest time ago is right down the bottom.

Unlike the switch from number of lessons to percentages (which I still hate and which Duolingo has never bothered to explain), I can actually see some rhyme and reason to this. But I'm not a fan of it. Frankly, I find it rather demotivating. It's screwing up my system. I guess that, as I do when I want to know the number of lessons in a skill, I'll have to resort to Duome to cycle through my languages in the way to which I have so long been accustomed. And it actually makes more scrolling for me rather than less. Because of the way I work, the language I want to do next will always be the one at the very bottom under the new scheme.

So how do others feel about this change? Does the new way work better for you, or would you, like me, prefer if they'd stuck with the old system? I suppose that if you're only doing one or two languages, it doesn't make that much difference, but for those of us who are working our way through a number of different courses, it is quite a significant change.

May 16, 2019


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    Yes, I agree. However, a fairly long experience with Duolingo has taught me that nothing anyone ever complains about is taken the slightest notice of. It won't stop me complaining, and I'm sure that's true for many others too. And of course, when they make changes like this they don't tell you (except just occasionally after the event). As for the percentages, again I totally agree. The mess that that has made to my French tree is unbelievable. After several weeks I'm still trying to make sense of it.

    May 16, 2019
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    Hi, you will be surprised I am studying a lot of languages too. This new update doesn't affect me at all, I also cycle through my languages but in this way: I open this page and then I study from bottom to top. And trying to maintain them all at the same level, but for that I always have to open my profile page.

    May 16, 2019

    Duolingo seems to be moving away from levels, and I think that's a good thing. After all, levels are just XP in a (unnecessarily distorted) disguise. And even though they say nearly nothing about a given user's actual language prowess, they are often misinterpreted that way.

    I think we will see levels gradually disappear completely. In the app, they are already gone, and even XP are only left in places where they are used to compare user's activities (friends, clubs).

    Crown levels are the future, get used to them. ;-)

    May 16, 2019

    You make some interesting points. A particularly valid one is that levels don't accurately represent your ability in a language. For example, I'm at Level 13 in Russian, but that is mostly as a result of concentrating hard on the earliest skills (up to the first checkpoint). So while I am getting a pretty good handle on basic Russian, it's far from where you think it might be seeing it at Level 13. The same applies to nearly all the languages of mine that you see (except German, French and Spanish, which I already have some reasonable fluency in and am doing for revision).

    If my XP levels were replaced by Crown levels, I would actually be OK with that, and the number of Crown levels for various languages would probably be a somewhat more accurate reflection of my proficiency in them. Still wouldn't be altogether accurate, mind you, but better than what current levels show.

    That said, I did rather like how my languages were ordered by level and had developed a nice neat system of organising my study. I guess I can still use my system with the aid of Duome or the Achievements screen, but it's kind of irritating not to just be able to use the drop-down menu for that anymore. A more minor irritation than the switch to percentages though - something that still baffles and annoys me, even though I can use Duome to work around that too.

    May 17, 2019

    If you want to see your current levels - click on the Achievements - and all the language levels will appear to the right and your achievement badges to the left. There is also information under the levels, how many XPs you need to reach the next level!

    May 16, 2019

    We've always been able to do that though. And this information is pretty much repeated on Duome. So I guess you can use one thing or the other. Doesn't make the loss of level info in the dropdown menu any less annoying (and unnecessary),

    May 16, 2019

    That seems to be the only place left to do so. Given that the icons associated with each language are the icons they had before they changed everything to square-flags, the level system might be going away entirely soon. :(

    May 16, 2019
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