https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

Clubs Are Gone

Wow thanks Duolingo for getting rid of the thing everyone loved and replacing it with pointless Leaderboards which almost everyone hated. You sure know how to make users leave. I am considering abandoning my 680 day streak and quitting Duolingo. You guys are sad. You litterally ignored the THOUSANDS telling Duolingo to not get rid of clubs. Whats wrong with you guys. Well at least my Spanish club relocated to the Discord app, anyone can join! https://discord.gg/MMp84V

May 20, 2019

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https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kata.ds

It's been about 10 minutes and I'm already demotivated. I always wanted to keep my streak to stay in my club and visit every day to chat and encourage and learn together. I have no interest in winning a competition against different strangers each week so no longer interested in trying my best. Who cares about how many XP as long as you're learning and improving. I cant see how much I've learned from a number, but from using language conversationally and increasingly more confidently. Well done Duolingo, you've completely missed the point of your own app.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SoitDX

Agree. Unfortunately, Duolingo doesn't listen to us at all. Reading what you wrote reminds me of how when the XP system changed giving 20 XP when skipping lesson almost everyone complained but no one listened to us. We still shouldn't get so demotivated because of that and keep on learning languages and improve as much as we can in my opinion! If not in clubs, you will definitely get the opportunity to show and use your language knowledge somewhere else, in many situations!

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamie574779

100% agree with your statement. They should at least filter the leaderboards by the language you're learning and have the option to turn it off in the settings. Sure, clubs had its flaws but leaderboards is a huge difference in comparison. Sometimes, I strive for perfection (can't help myself,) so at the beginning when this new feature was introduced I was addicted; I couldn't stop. Yet I decided in the end about a week after I decided it's just not worth the time. If I'm not in the top five or ten I don't mind as much anymore. Caring about actually learning a language instead of spamming lessons to gain XP is much better. After all, achieving perfection is a far-fetched dream for anything.

July 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MJS822871

They are clearly a bunch of computer nerds who prefer interacting with themselves..The whole point of learning a language is to communicate with other people.. I have 635 day streak ONLY because the banter and interaction in the clubs kept me coming back and motivated..I'm sure another language learning tool will capitalise on their developers shortcomings and inability to respond to their members concerns...Come on Duo Listen to your members, or they'll be members no more and your advertising revenue will go elsewhere!!

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/rhyhislop2

After all this commenting it has made me realise I have been missing out on clubs! And I have been on duolingo for nearly a year.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DanFarber1

Haha same. :(

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/skelaine

Me too!

June 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamie574779

Nice profile picture. :)

July 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ozzychris

I'm with you. I'm still trying to work out how to contact my penpals of a couple of years who made the exercise more interesting and fun. Why can't we contact people anymore - was Duo jealous of relationships that had developed? I was very disappointed with the loss of Immersion but finally got over it -but I'm rethinking why I should continue.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Melody746408

I miss my club members. Tried to find them on Facebook, but was unsuccessful.

June 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamie574779

That sucks, at least we have each other in the discussion page. XD

July 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AtheneDeLion

I have managed to opt out of the Leagues and see my old club back, when I went to Settings - Privacy and unchecked the "make my profile public". The Leagues were gone and club is back. I hope it helps :) P.S. I finished number 1 in my leagues 3 weeks in a row, but I realized that this promotes an unhealthy behaviour. Esp. in those of us, who are a bit too competitive. Duolingo should be about learning, not this.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Athene. Thanks but sadly it didn't work. Ah well.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AtheneDeLion

You have to do it on your PC or Mac only, not in the web version on your smartphone. It won't work this way. Login into Duolingo on your notebook or PC, click on your profile circle in the upper right corner, then Settings - Privacy - uncheck the "make my profile public". There is no reason why it shouldn't work for you, as it worked for me :) There is nothing special about my profile or settings.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AtheneDeLion

Update: Just go to this link https://www.duolingo.com/settings/privacy and uncheck the "make my profile public" while making sure that "enable clubs" is on

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Bogi926521

Unfortunately it did not work for me as well, I completely lost the Club icon in my Android tablet if I tried this setting. :( But really thanks!

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AtheneDeLion

I am sorry it didn't work :( I'd try to re-install the app. Otherwise, write to support. It should work as it does for many people (I've seen others now posting this). I'm not sure what the issue might be.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/adrianwhatever

I cannot see an "enable clubs" anywhere. I did change the publicness of my profile, which made no difference.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Just-LB

Thank you, @AtheneDion, that link worked and took me back to my old club. In the new system I found myself competing against complete newbies (e.g., 4 day streak) racking up a thousand points because they were obviously quickly testing out of the easiest levels in a different language or languages! over 250 days.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/abbymist3031

Just a comment: Not all "complete newbies" with 4-day streaks, for example, are newbies. I just recently lost my 774-day streak and am at 15 days now . (Forgot to do my lesson on May 5 and couldn't finish before midnight. My memory isn't what it used to be. Unfortunate for me. That's the main reason I started using Duolingo...)

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DavidSenio3

It's worked for me Athene, thank you, not sure how long it will be before Duo close down that loophole, only problem is nobody else in the club seems to be there & I have no way of contacting them to tell them how to do it.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AtheneDeLion

Can I ask why it didn't work? Did you try it in the web version?The app does not have these settings, but the web version does. I am wondering why did it work for me

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Hi Athene. I'm on tablet and phone, I rarely work on laptop. I'll try that route. You're being extraordinarily kind to us all at such a rather unhappy time so I lingot you with pleasure.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AtheneDeLion

Thank you! I was upset by this too. Try the direct link to privacy settings I've posted below. It should work on a phone

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sra.Smith14809

I tried your suggestion, and it worked for getting me out of the "League of random people I don't know" I can now see my old "Club of MY OWN middle/high school students" on my iPad, but the clubs shield icon is now missing on my Android phone. Any idea how to get that back?

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stergi3

It worked in my Android mobile: 1. Uninstall the latest version of Duolingo. Don't worry, you don't lose anything of your progress! 2) Visit the site apkmirror.com. It is a site with older versions.  Search for Duolingo there. The latest version I found is Duolingo 3.106.5 of November 2018. There are 3 of them. I chose that one of 64-bit and it worked. 3. Press download and an apk file will start downloading. 4. When download finished   find this file in the Download file. 5. Press it to start installing. If you're phone says do not trust this file,  say that you trust this file. 6) After that, you can enter Duolingo as usual with your email and password.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DestinationVoid

Don't bother - once Duo decides to remove support for clubs from their servers, this trick will no longer work.

BTW I strongly discourage everyone from installing apps that do not come from official store. That's not a safe practice.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Sra.Smith14809

Changing that setting made my friends list disappear. Undesirable consequence.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AtheneDeLion

I can see the people who were in my club before in the club's leaderboard. There is also an invite option. I don't think it gets better that this, unfortunately. This seems to be the only way to get out of the League system and bring back the club.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/AtheneDeLion

I am not sure, as I see the club's shield on my Android phone. Is this not what you are seeing on your phone? http://i.share.pho.to/83d86d2b_o.png

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hanspersson

That's a really nice profile icon. :D

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hailey1090

So true lol, I did over 1250 just to be the top in 3 days. The clubs are awesome but the leaderboards are good too. Could we just have both or pick to opt out of one?

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamie574779

Hopefully in a future update! :/

July 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hobbes100

Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'll be so glad to have my beloved club back... I feel exactly like everyone else here... The leagues weren't an entirely terrible idea - but removing us from the clubs and from interacting with other enthusiastic learners is so unfair. But the Duo team are trying to make this a good experience in their own (very often flawed!) way! I know at least some of them are just out to make money, but who knows if they were sincerely just trying to improve things and in the process made a very big mistake? As much as we hate this new update, why don't we cut them some slack?

Some people may consider this clique, and maybe it is. But some may (hopefully) find this helpful. All I can do is quote the Duo team.

This is what HelpfulDuo said in response to a comment that did seem pretty scathing. The link to the discussion is here.

Ouch, this is hurtful to read. We are a team of very dedicated people who work hard to bring you and the world free language education of the highest quality. We know it is very hard to keep everyone happy, but we are determined to make sure fun and effective language learning is accessible to everyone, and we are very proud of our mission.

I am not trying to cover over the Duolingo team's big blunder. I just hope you all can find a way to undo it. Many thanks to @AtheneDeLion. Have a lingot for your kindness!

"Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:" - Luke 6:36-38

Update: I had the same problem as everybody else with this. The leagues were gone but so was my shield icon and followers/following list. And I'm pretty sure that even if installing an older version of the app works, none of my friends will be there anymore. But I do have another phone with the app that hasn't been updated, so maybe I could check if anyone is there. Thank you all again, anyway.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BryonyBanks

Thank you so much!

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Kristibug

Thank you for this. That was horrible.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EzRanger

It worked for me. I am back in my clubs, but I don’t think anyone is there. The club leaderboards show everyone is there, but I think they are all in the official leaderboard. The moment I was back in, I cried. I really did. At least I have something. Thank you so much. Maybe some can come back. I’ll tell everyone about this possibility of clubs again

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Interesting. My first visit to Leagues, I'm competing with one porn site and several pinups. Motivation indeed! Later: Me too, after being on Leagues for one hour, I've been demoted.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MJS822871

Sums up the Duo developer team..They prefer motivation that encourages 'playing' by themselves, interacting with other people is just too awkward! :)

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S.A.Debre

It's now confirmed; Duo is an autistic bird.

EDIT: I actually got like six downvotes because for some reason people seem to think "autistic" is a slur. Jesus christ people CALM DOWN.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SomiSamSuomi

To far man.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S.A.Debre

In what way is the word "autistic" going too far? I'm autistic too and I wasn't aware it's now considered a curse word.

EDIT: And people actually upvoted this guy... this forum really is a pile of garbage.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Richard75005

After two years of using Duolingo virtually every day, I'm ready to throw in the towel and call it quits. Our French club is gone. The club was a small online community of people from all over the world, working towards the same goal -- learning the French language -- we competed for the weekly winner and participated in discussions that motivated and helped us to learn. I find it hard to stay motivated without that group dynamic. Now I'm supposed to be in a "league" with random people who aren't even learning the same language as me? What's the point? Worst decision ever by Duolingo.

For the time being, I will be doing the bare minimum to keep my Duolingo streak going (10XP/day) in the hope that Duolingo will recognize their mistake and rectify it. I will continue learning French using other web-based resources.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Richard. You said it all for me. No doubt you read my first experience of Leagues. I do a mere 10xp and hop over to cheerful Memrise, just for a break. So sad, so unnecessary. We keep smiling...

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamie574779

Damn that was almost like poetry XD

July 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TeresaPeri2

I agree exactly. I'm at 1141 days, and I am ready to chuck it in. Maybe I'll try a few days to see if they give us our clubs back.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Stergi3

I cannot contest a list of users, just like that! It seems so silly that I feel completely demotivated. I feel like being an XP machine. No! Okay, Duolingo, a step backwards.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MathsRobot

Ok. The gamification of language learning helps a bit. Sometimes, comparing Xp is ok. But seriously, getting rid of clubs for this stupid leaderboard thing? Is nonsensical. The amount of xp you do per day doesn't determine how good a language learner is - you could do 20XP/day like me and spend more time practising on forums and real French people. Or you could spend soo much more time doing 2000XP per day only to realise that your vocab range is limited to what Duo taught you and you're still barely able to speak the language.

Language learning is not a game. Gamification helps in a way but this is way too far. Language learning is an intricately nuanced process which takes years and everybody does it in their own pace and way.

I'm sticking to 20XP per day. I don't care where I place on the leagues. I have better ways to learn French now. I might even consider dropping my streak which recently passed 600 days today. I seriously had so many French ami(e)s in my club who I could practice with and it was a much more relaxed environment for learning - something I actually would want to open Duolingo for.

So yes, that was a long rant, but seriously Duolingo, we all feel betrayed and there was a petition that even had 2000+ signatures which was COMPLETELY ignored.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/shavore

Looking for another learning app. Without clubs I have lost my motivation. The move to leaderboards makes absolutely no sense. The interaction that was possible with club members was what made Diolingo special. I will be giving my 800 day streak up in the near future.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

Shavore that is very sad to hear but there is no point to keep going. Instead, my whole club moved to Discord. Feel free to join us in learning Spanish together! https://discord.gg/MMp84V

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TheNecromancer10

I think the invite's expired. Could you give me a permanent one?

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Aerandir_

Indeed. I think the invite's expired. May we have another one? Perhaps make it a permanent invite?

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Nove_Grace

I'm crying my heart out right now, I don't even know why! Why would Duolingo do that?! I see no point! Although the Leagues were quite a motivation at first it slowly dissipate the more I try to get the #1 stop which was different from clubs... Gah, I don't even know where am I going to pick exercises on from now... The Clubs were actually fun despite majority of my members being dead lmao. I hope Duolingo would retreat this horrendous feature or simply just make it an option or icon! No one asked for this yet it was done now (TOT) Dear god, I wish Clubs will come back...

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/robin.fli

Before the clubs died, a couple of people exchanged e-mail in the one I was in. I made an Facebook only for duo. Still I agree that it’s sad not to be able to connect with those through Duo instead of having to go outside. Not everyone wants to use Facebook, give out emails etc.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/robin.fli

Immersion went away because somehow there was an issue with European regulations and they have a global audience. I really enjoyed the writing of the clubs and it seems that fewer people were using it and it’s us who did that miss it so much. Forums like this still exist but all the stuff that has people interacting are the things that suffer. I wish we received an honest reason why the people interaction parts of Duo are such an issue to keep.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/geesemouse

I know. I feel the leaderboards are only promoting greed; it feels cold. I forgot that the clubs were dissappearing on the 19th—they were gone when I woke up and I couldn’t say goodbye to the others in my club. What is duolingo thinking? sigh

I am 1st place in my leaderboard though lol, because I took one of those placement tests for a new language and it gave me a large quantity of XP.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/RoboticBowtie

i don't know who else on the site that remembers this, but this isnt the first time duolingo has canned something really good in spite of their user base. about three or four years ago there was a really cool "Immersion" feature, and when they announced that they were shutting it down slowly (first taking away giving xp for translating paragraphs, then not letting new users access it, then disabling the ability to upload new articles, then totally canning it.) the uproar about it was insane. honestly after that I've never trusted duolingo to successfully make decisions based on whats helpful for the users who take language learning seriously.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/hpf_13

I have been on Duolingo for a few months. I never got the chance to see what the clubs were like, but after reading everything that has been said about it, they seem pretty great. They should give us the clubs back.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/tolunayo

If Duolingo had any sensibility, they would keep clubs along with leaderboards or they would figure out way to improve clubs instead of taking them away.

Clubs was not a bad idea. They had a lot of potential. If money was the issue, they could show ads in the clubs just like Facebook integrates sponsored content (ads) in your stream.

I am here to learn languages and interaction with other users help a lot. To learn a language certain amount of repetition is necessary but turning users into rote XP machines will not accomplish that. You need to create your own sentences, go beyond since words or even single sentences. But, I am preaching to the choir. Duolingo on the other hand do not listen:

Luis in the past has declared that his worst mistake was listening to users:

https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/290664

14. What's the worst piece of advice you ever got?

I don’t know if it's bad universally, or if it was just bad for me. When you’re building a product, typical advice is listen to what your users are saying. I have found that is terrible advice for Duolingo. The spirit of the advice is good, but a lot of times, there is a problem that arises. If the feedback channels are such that that only a few users get to talk to you, you are only hearing the loudest ones, not all of them, and that is where it breaks down.

We have a forum on our website where people can talk about language, but they often ask about features. I have found that listening to people in the forums is a terrible idea. For example, we redesigned the website a few years ago,and people in the forum were saying how terrible it was. Hundreds of posts about how this was the worst decision we had ever made. All the while we were looking at the metrics for the new website, and they were significantly better.

If you are just listening to the people who reach out to you, than that is a biased sample of people who are a loud minority. Of course that is not always the case, but unless you know what you are doing, you should watch out for that bias.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Richard75005

From reading the article, this guy Luis seems to be a legitimate whacko. (For example, compare his answer in question 1 to question 15.) In any case, his stated approach to ignore user's feedback is all I need to hear. I'm finished with Duolingo and deleting the app. Bye all, and best of luck with learning languages.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Chartreux

The worst thing about these leagues is that you are competing with people who are racking up points in other languages. At least Clubs kept it in the family, so to speak. Competing with different languages is apples and oranges.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ozzychris

You get my vote!!!

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/S.A.Debre

Duolingo couldn't care less about its community. It really is sad what it has become.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Just-LB

I've been using it for three weeks already. Even though I was the leader the last two weeks and a streak of over 250, I find myself competing against people with only 4 and 5 day streaks WHO ARE NOT EVEN LEARNING THE SAME LANGUAGE that I am. What is the point of that? Shouldn't I be competing with people who are learning the same language who have actually truly earned their way there?

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

Yep, Leaderboards is random people learning any language. Your stuck with them.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Just-LB

It's ridiculous. There is nothing really useful or worthwhile about it. I have left all groups.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Richard_Battel

While I'm somewhat new and used the clubs sometimes, they were so much fun when I did use them. They made me actually like logging in to Duolingo because just learning predetermined sentences and Grammar rules gets boring very quickly.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Szei

I like the leaderboards, but not as a replacement for clubs. Why can’t they have both? I was the leader of 3 clubs and it was really fun engaging with fellow language learners across the world.

Even though I like competing on the new leaderboards, if I had to choose one, I would much rather have clubs.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DavidSenio3

Question has to be asked, is learning about competing or learning?

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SharonPrit2

Yes I’m upset losing my Welsh club and in ‘a race’ with random people with random languages. I enjoyed the little plays, scenarios etc that we could comment on and discuss in our language choice but now they’ve gone!

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EricVasque947968

I have been reading other people's comments on the removal of clubs, but for newcomers like me (I joined a few months ago) I never really interacted with the people in my club. My club was pretty dry in all honesty, but I didn't care much because I had no idea how to use clubs back then, LOL. I am a pretty competitive person and I was really excited when I found out that they changed clubs for leader boards. Now I have a good reason to practice more everyday! I have seen some people say that this is unhealthy behavior but that is only if people only care about the prize and don't pay attention to the lessons. I pay attention to every lesson I take. Also I think it's hard to advance on the leader board if you don't pay attention to your lesson because then you won't be able to advance in the lesson, therefore not being able to gain XP!

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LuisaLane33920

I like them as well. My clubs were never very good anyway.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cartergraysons

I lost my Indonesian club, everyone there was so nice to me and very helpful in my learning process. Wether I won for the week or not, I always felt great knowing that I had many people to help me in Indonesian but now poof, gone. I don't anymore besides one person to help with my Indonesian and he's so busy right now :( it will be a hard time learning from here on out I guess.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

Sorry to hear its the same for thousands of others out there.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/William756641

its okay, you can get back into your clubs! you need to log onto a computer, and then go onto your account and your settings, and then click the privacy at the bottom, and then uncheck the make my profile public. then save the changes, and then when you reload or reopen your app on the phone, your old groups will come up again! Horray.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ozzychris

But how did you work all that out?

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/resolved49

Yeh it was a great way to meet different people from around the world learning the same language. Imagine developing deep bonds with these people and one day organise a meet up at the country the language you are learning together originated from.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Julia139663

I was looking forward to practicing WITH someone. Sigh

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

Julia yes NOT POINTLESS Leaderboards

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Levae

the new system does not help produce healthy learning habits.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EzRanger

I agree to that. We lost a lot, and gained nothing

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Molly203149

Why bother to follow someone, or have followers and friends, when there is no way to communicate with them? Add that ability to communicate back in please. I don't care about the Leaderboard, so you don't need to dump all that. Just add back the communication ability. Or at least tell us that you are working on that fix.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EzRanger

I agree. Following is completely pointless now

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SummerPopsicles

RIP Clubs, my favorite part of the mobile app.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BrodyWasTaken

its pointless to even beat people in it anyway, especially if you only do one language and use duo to keep up with it, because someone new to your language will have WAY easier lessons in practice than someone who has finished the course, bad design, obviously

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SummerPopsicles

Leaderboards could be ok, if you had a couple options:

Choose the people you practice with each week Have the same people every week Be able to chat with them

(Pretty much, do everything you could do in clubs.)

Edit: Oh, and here's an idea, why not have you compete against people WHO ARE LEARNING THE SAME LANGUAGE AS YOU gasp

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Richard75005

You just described clubs. :)

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/SummerPopsicles

I know.

May 26, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/BethBecky

How's it that not everyone has lost out on the clubs? On my mom's app there are no clubs but on mine I'm still part of all the clubs that I was in. So what's going on?

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Loura8

I totally agree with you because I miss the club and those extra exercises that I can take my mind off LESSONS. I think it is fair to check on how club members are doing in the same language... I deliberately did less, thinking that I will be demoted from the league and back to my club..BUT NO. On again with another group of different languages. Looks like I am stuck online PLAYING the game, I want to learn the language and I truly love Dualingo. I am behaving like my son playing online game 10 years ago :-(((

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

Louara8 yes it is sad when Duolingo just plops you along with 50 other random people and make you churn out xp if yoy want to get anywhere.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cartergraysons

Honestly, I just want a 30 day streak and then leave, but tbh I just want to learn languages here, no leaderboreds, but oh well. I might leave Duolingo too :(

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/DavidSenio3

Since I joined I've never understood the obsession with streaks, surely it's about learning, but that's the juxtaposition Duo are in, streaks create revenue but do not necessarily create enhanced learning

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cartergraysons

That is very true and me too.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Loura8

@kohoutseks Yes, a lot of us are sad and disappointed to see the club vanished but Duo is still a good site to learn a language. I am trying to be less competitive and learning at my own pace (unlike the first 2 weeks in the league). There is a good thing created from this "Save The Club" issue - we have formed a support group!!!!

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/cartergraysons

I would join but what's the point anyways. Luis said he will never ever listen to forum users ever again. He doesn't even care anymore. It's sad really that he only wants money.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/duanxiu

I'm killing my 413 day streak now and I recommend you to do it as well. It's the only way to punish them for greed.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

duanxiu I am considering abandoning my 686 day streak too.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EzRanger

But does killing your streak really do anything to them? Are we punishing them by doing so? I want to find a new language app, one that is fully free (like Duolingo) and has a great learning system (like Duolingo had). Does anybody know of any great apps that will fulfill this?

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Just-LB

I think you are asking too much of something that is free. I think you're going to have to resolve to pay for the value you want, e.g., Babbel.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EzRanger

Well Duolingo used to fulfill that. Surely there could be another app that’s free and good

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Loura8

@buddybarnsfarm I agree with EzRanger..don't go. I don't think leaving is a good solution right now because we have not found somewhere to go yet. Someone had said because we are not the PLUS members therefore we have no choice....however, we are the majority that see the ads and without us all the ads will be redundant. That will be a lost of revenue...

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

@Loura8 maybe I wont quit Duolingo but just leave my streak. No one cares anymore. There isn't really a point.

May 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/duodellingo

The new Leaderboards feature is utterly ridiculous. I am the only Irish-language learner in my entire (randomly-assigned?) group. It's almost entirely Spanish-speakers learning English and Arabic-speakers learning German. What conversations are we supposed to have? What am I supposed to learn from them about Irish?

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/L7live12

agreed

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

Its sad that Duolingo doesnt even pay attention to the forums anymore. I wish they would just listen and have an alternative solution to Leagues.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/TD56
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The actual structured learning process is unchanged, but with the demise of clubs we’re driven to a robotic process of just gaining XP with 49 others that we don’t know and often not even studying the same language. To me, the whole league thing is meaningless. At least in the club scenario we were able to test our ability at USING THE LANGUAGE. If there is some point to this re-structure of the Duolingo process, then please give us some idea.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/HannahSyed_xx

I'm very new so can someone please tell me what clubs are

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Richard75005

Hannah, the clubs were groups of typically 50 members, all learning the same language. They provided the opportunity to participate in group activities and discussions using the goal language, as well as friendly competition for weekly winner with the most XP (learning points) in that language.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MathsRobot

In addition to what @Richard75005 said, clubs were very useful in that we had the freedom to write our own posts without topic, with the general assumption that you would write in the target language (French for me). I made many friends there and even started speaking about my feelings and daily life which GREATLY improved my vocabulary and articulation, instead of just translating the single sentences on the Duo lessons.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

Hannah. Clubs no longer exist, unfortunately.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/William756641

I have not read all the links here Linda, but you can get back to your club, I read through all this stuff this morning, and I have now managed it. You do need to go to a computer to do it and log on, and then go to you own picture and then to settings, and then to privacy, and then untick the second box, which makes you private to others.... or something like that, then press save settings. then reopen your app on your phone and all should be good....!

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/ozzychris

Thanks William I'm back from the ether after a month lost in space. Back with my club buddies. However I've now lost the weekly/monthly/all time score comparisons. Can you do something to keep both or is it one or the other? But well done - I'm still pleased.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Linda7Italian

William. Thanks.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Turkeyphant

The latest feature loved by users that Duolingo knew was popular but removed anyway. With literally no reason given at all.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/LegateJosephus

I started using Duolingo a couple days ago. I've been really enjoying it, but earlier today I was thinking "It would be nice to have a place that I could talk to people in the language I'm learning." Then I started doing some more German lessons, and then I finally looked through 'Discuss', clicked this and realized that the feature that I thought would be helpful in my learning of the language, was taken away. Rip.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/JamesHai

Leaderboards are kinda fun but I think I agree... Clubs can be more supportive and community fostering. Maybe they should have both options?

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamtintraders

Our Chinese club moved to Riot. We can do so much more now. We are all at various stages of moving out of Duolingo in spite of our continuous use over many years even before clubs started. We can use any app now to continue our activities. So not sorry!

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/GDSexton01

What is the point of Leaderboards??? Promotion doesn't actually change anything. You just see a different group of random names. You can't communicate with them, there are no daily questions/activities like there were with Clubs, it doesn't increase the difficulty of your Duolingo exercises. There is absolutely no incentive to try to get promoted. I just don't get it.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

Yep no point in Leaderboards

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/pedrooko

Mine are still up.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/marcy557057

I will stay with DUO but I agree that my small group of friends (just 5 of us) loved the club, more just to see what we were doing and cheering each other on. I guess there must be a LOT more who want to race others. That's ok with me but wish there were a choice.

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Hobbes100

Marcy, I completely agree with you.

May 29, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Alexis484831

Honestly, i can only see the positives of clubs. They are a way to motivate others and get compatible when it comes to streaks and such. Why where they removed?

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

Alexis484831 I remeber the day people could finally chat and type real words in clubs. All of the sudden clubs became alive with people talking to each other. Over a year went by and everyone knew each other well. Then one day I got the message that clubs would no longer exist in a matter of days. Goodbyes were said as the day of clubs removal grew closer and closer. Then the idea of our club moving to the discord came. Almost the entire club moved to the discord app where we still can chat to this day.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EzRanger

I now have neither leaderboards nor clubs. Anyone else?

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Gp6am

Please restore clubs. That was the only way for me to keep track of my average practice time for the whole week. Now all I can only see whether I met my minimum target for yesterday and the day before that and the day before that, etc., without being able to tell how many extra practice sessions I completed for any day but the current one. Having ne way to track my actual performance Kills motivation to do more.

May 31, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/jamie574779

When I opened the app on the mobile version and went to check my club, I came back to find that my club had been replaced with leaderboards. I love Duolingo but am really disappointed that they keep on deciding to add pointless updates and new features. I feel like Duolingo, Snapchat, Facebook so many platforms and social media is going downhill. Yikes.

July 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MJS822871

I have an idea. On every exercise you do, look for the icon where you report an error ( normally reserved for grammatical, spelling etc), and cut and paste 'Bring back clubs'..Someone will get fed up with having to read this continuously..

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vabelie

Hum, honestly, making harder the life of volunteer contributors, who have no power and no saying in the programming of the site, is not the best idea in my opinion…

And yes, I would have loved clubs I was never even able to enter.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MJS822871

But surely only the programmers can change the content, they simply won't look in these forums. It needs to be flagged by a discontented crowd, continuously, or they won't listen. Do you have any other ideas, to make our voices heard, apart from leaving the app and community?

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Vabelie

I see you've been there some time like me. Remember the dismiss of Activity streams? The "announcement" by Dr von Ahn (coming after the fact) had one of the more moving thread of replies I've read (been part of it). It changed absolutely nothing.

While I respect him immensely (together with his teams), I get when he has made a decision, we don't have much of a choice. This green ring I bear is just a few days old; it's a sign of my commitment toward this site and its community. I'm very much a part of it.

I've been more than sad several times because of some decisions (the worst being the forced disconnect with the real friends I made over several years). I'm still there, I guess I'll be for a while, out of gratitude.

I'm afraid I can't offer much more than — sincere — sympathy. I was able to find a faithful group and a sense of community on Discord. Perhaps something similar could allow your club members to stick together? And yes again, I'd definitely prefer if it was possible to have my interactions contained inside the site…

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/MJS822871

You can respect anyone you like, but I don't respect anyone who casts aside those to which they rely on for their success. The decision is wrong, a backward step! Simply collecting XP with strangers isn't a community, it's a low IQ game for kids, no way to learn a language. I don't respect anyone who dismisses their customers. Irrespective of it being free or not, revenue is generated on my time spent here. I will be switching more time to Memrise and HelloTalk from now on, the advertising revenue can go to them, until this becomes a rounded language app again. I still uphold my original idea of complaining via the language flags and perhaps downgrade feedback ratings in the play store.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Buddybarnsfarm

MJS822871 sadly you are right. I have submitted many feedbacks to Duolingo warning them that many users would leave with clubs being removed.

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/thatoneguy1111

yeah lol i didnt even know there were clubs i just started. sounds neat tho

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Salvo818084

I joined this app only recently. Anyone care to explain what was so special about the clubs and what they were used for? Thanks

May 20, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EzRanger

The clubs allowed you to be with up to 49 other people, where you could learn together, and was run by the club creator. Special challenges appeared in the club (auto generated by Duolingo) that you could complete to help with practice. In the good clubs, you had people who could help and support you, and whom you could do the same back. Unlike Leaderboards, clubs were divided by Languages. So everyone in that club was learning the same languages. You could be in one club for every language. After two years, many relationships had been formed between people in the clubs. Then Duolingo took it away from us

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EzRanger

It’s like being in a class at school. They put you in with other students, then pulled everyone out to learn alone, and compete with other students, but no communication is allowed. No support, no tips, guides, and fun. Clubs became families, and friends were made. And it was taken away, and they didn’t give us the option. Duolingo has underestimated the power of friendiship and society. You can’t allow us to socialize then take that option away. It just doesn’t work

May 21, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/EzRanger

@Zissou

May 30, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/Noora701316

I was shocked and sad when I discovered this had happened during my few months break from Duolingo. Very demotivating.

July 11, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/la_pantera_rosa

hi , how can I join your club?

July 16, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/profile/PaulDeNice1

The clubs are gone: we now have a useless League system that goes nowhere. I am sorry that the clubs are gone but maybe Duolingo will return them if enough people complain and or leave Duolingo!

July 16, 2019
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