https://www.duolingo.com/Angelcouture

Really dislike the new update!! :(

I hate leagues. Everyone is either adding a language they’re already fluent in or doing tons of easy early lessons so they get an unusually high amount of XP in a crazy amount of time. I watch the members in my league rn shoot up like 500XP in a half an hour. It’s just impossible to be in the top 10 let alone the top 3 if you’re actually using the app to study and it’s getting pretty demotivating. Also those daily challenges they used to put in our group feeds were such good practice I don’t see the benefit of getting rid of them completely. I just found clubs a lot more beneficial to learning. We were all active and would ask questions and now you can't communicate with anyone at all. (´༎ຶོρ༎ຶོ`) why duo whyyy? If it wasn't for my streak I'd probably delete the app.

May 22, 2019

45 Comments


https://www.duolingo.com/TravelingHeather

If you're actually using the app to study just don't worry about the leagues. I haven't paid attention to them in a while. The people who are churning out xp just to game the system and compete in the leaderboards are going to burn out and move on without learning a language. Meanwhile you'll be focused on your studies and becoming closer to fluency every day. Who is the real winner in this scenario?

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Angelcouture

Well the point of clubs (at least for me) was having a friendly rivalry each week and the ability to help each other out and ask questions. There's barely any grammar explanations in the Japanese course so I don't really love the app's dry method of teaching other than for vocab. In my club I could ask people who actually had first-hand experience in Japan questions that were kind of difficult to find on youtube or hard to understand on google. It's just a bummer. :(

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LaserDuck

Before the clubs were closed, my Japanese club and I made a Telegram group so we could still be in touch. Have you done something like that? If not, then...

:(

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Angelcouture

Awh dang unfortunately not. :'( Some of us added each other though. I wish there was a way to message friends.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DragonJem04

I would have done that but my parents found Microsoft Family Restrictions aka I can only access Duolingo, Email and a few more web sites. Such a bummer

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/PhxBob

Search for Discord (above) and find a non-Duo group chatting in/about your language.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Angelcouture

Thanks! I'll check it out :)

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

Or we are just normally reviewing a language we are already intermediate in, no cheating included, or progressing faster because Duo is not our main resource. So, we test out and/or progress far and get a lot of points. Those used to be nice for self-competition but are no longer good for that due to the test out cap. But not for the Leagues. I don't think any a bit more advanced learner is thrilled about being on top of a group of beginners, we just didn't get an opt out option.

But when we complete the tree faster, we will no longer annoy you in the League, that is nice. But assuming we will be somehow worse learners than you, that is really weird and judgemental. And not logical, many of us are fast not because of some cheating, but because we are already "the real winners" as you say, who just like to review here. There is no rule saying that Duo is only for true beginners.

And opinions like yours are exactly a proof of the leagues without opt out (and without any sorting of the players by experience or test out use or refusal) are a really bad idea. They only promote stupid pressure on the learners in need of slower progress, and dislike toward the faster learners.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Richard966353

I agree - I just focus on learning for myself and don’t worry about the number of XP others have.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MJS822871

Yes the leagues seem to be an own goal for Duo. Only donkeys would sit for hours on end and gain XP just to be a 'winner'..Everyone else will tire of such a game quickly, including the winners themselves. Duo doesn't seem to be listening to its users concerns only its metrics. However, these metrics will no doubt prove customer feedback is a far better method for improving a product than blind statistics alone..I look forward to the day they realise this and take this otherwise good app to greater heights as an effective language learning tool.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Iyyov

Knowledge is hard won. Idiocy knows no bounds. --Iyyov

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Grant7586

Yes, it's a pity. The prominence given to the "Leagues" on the desktop update really reinforces Duolingo's focus is more in the gaming space than for language learning.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/BenS5648

This isn't even gaming really. On gaming leaderboards, people with skill and talent generally show up. Instead, we just have a bunch of people relearning languages they already know to grind 500xp in 30 minutes.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

We are not "relearing a language we know to grind xp". We are normally practicing a language we are no longer beginners in and would be doing it fast with or without the Leagues. I don't think any more advanced learner cares about having more points than several beginners. We just didn't get any opt out option. It is really sad that Duolingo is right now promoting wrong pressure on the beginners and envy towards the non-beginners.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Buddybarnsfarm

Duolingo removing clubs was a huge mistake.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Splushkin

Removing immersion was even bigger mistake.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/BenS5648

Duolingo needs to stop making "quality of life changes" to the website constantly. They're not improving anyone's experience, people are fine with the platform the way it is. They need to actually start working on some of their lessons instead of outsourcing them and add features instead of taking away and re-adding old ones. This program has the potential to be one of the best language learning platforms period, but the development team just remixing what we already like. THE UI IS GOOD, JUST HELP US LEARN LANGUAGES FOR PETE'S SAKE!

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/CrCoe2

I agree.... I liked the old clubs much better which also allow you to leave Clubs or Exit.

i'm not a fan of the new club which is only focused on Numbers not Learning; plus I don't have an option to leave the club!
It makes me feel like i'm trapped...That's Not fun, and that's not about learning languages!

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/chocochipkookie

I completely agree with you! Leagues are annoying. Clubs are a lot better!

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Tree169623

I agree. I enjoyed being in a club although mine didn't talk much but I got used to looking out for someone new out of the small group to win each week. I feel pressured rather than encouraged by the leagues like someone is yelling Keep up! Keep up! It takes away enjoyment.

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Debbie901557

They have pretty much eliminated everything that motivates me. I was in the top ten of the leaderboard four four weeks when it first appeared, but nearly had a stroke I was working so hard...all day! I’m done with that now, not worth the stress...and really, who cares. Now the daily point tally has disappeared. Seems like they’re trying hard to de motivate us!

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Sharon275517

To see your daily point tally, go to the Learn page and hover over the flame that counts your streak.

Also, as an indicator, the flame is grey when you haven’t met your daily goal yet. It changes to colored when you meet your daily goal.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Debbie901557

Good grief! How did you even find that?! I guess I don’t go touching everything to discover if there’s something hidden there. I liked the graft of the week’s points, personally.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Ne71A1

I know right?? I'm and there are people at 4000 xp!! In a few days!! I'm only at like 500. I just don't really like this competition.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/PAR50NB1RD

I'm here to learn. I couldn't care less about league tables. I'd prefer to have my friend's name appearing and whether she has done her Duolingo lessons for the day and her score if she has - along with mine. We enjoyed the fun of chiding, encouraging and comparing our progress. Please bring that back and PLEEZ stop tinkering with things. If it ain't broke why try to fix it!!!

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/DragonJem04

I have just started a leagues and your are sooo right ( I hate it too)

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/5HINeePINee

oof yeah I see where you're coming from :(

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Jammn88

I agree!

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Iyyov

I just discovered a little about this league thing I think. Real hard for me to access it. However, I just completed 1032XP. No, I'm not cheating or anything of the sort. I spend a lot of time and a lot of work doing these lessons. My neck and wrists begin to get sore and I have to take a break. I'm retired, and my wife recently passed away. So I do this to keep occupied, and to learn spanish. So please, use facts when you complain about others you have no clue about.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

I am sorry for your loss. It is good you've got some things that keep you occupied, such as Duolingo, and I totally agre that the blanket statements in the sense "people with lots of xp are cheaters and failed learners" are very offensive. The leagues have brought some really toxic attitudes into the community.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Mereade

I am on top of my League and I hate it.

Somehow, other learners are now considering me (or anyone on top of their ladder) to be a cheater and wishing me burn out and failure at learning, just because I am normally reviewing a language I am intermediate at and would like to review after a break. What I am doing is one of the normal ways to use this learning site.

I didn't choose to be in a League. I don't find it motivating, to get more points than beginners. And I don't want to be part of the pressure on people to progress faster than they are comfortable with. But I didn't get an opt out option.

I think the Leagues should definitely have an opt out option. Ideally, they also shouldn't mix the real beginers and the people testing partially out. Or the best would be not to have them at all. The Clubs were good for a part of the learners, and non-obligatory for those of us not liking them.

The worst part is the damage within the community. The way some people (whom I agree with that the Leagues are wrong and shouldn't compare too different learners) talk and think about other learners is inacceptable. The gamification should include friendly appropriate competion or no competition, and bring the learners together. Not this toxicity.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/AnitaRRC

I couldn't agree more. Sod the ligues. I haven't had this virus in my app yet but I have no idea how long I can cling to my clubs

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Tree169623

Has anyone noticed that the streak freeze disappears even if you practice!

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/taishikan

It is a pretty bad update, I also hate the notifications it sends me to advance in my club after I've already completed my goal xp for the day!

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Chunji94

I think a little competition is quite good but I also liked the clubs much more... I really liked the little excercises (that now are completely gone.... thanks for that...) and the possibility to write with people who are learning the same Language that you learn, and the competition among people who actually learn the same language... I am now on Rank 3 in my League... the people in front of me? always English learners... I am learning Chinese and I would rather prefer that if there have to be leagues, then there should be leagues for every single language.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Randybvain

My thoughts exactly. I have no time for doing lessons just to be on top on some list. I am trying to forget about points and streaks and focus only on learning languages.

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/keachalol

same

May 22, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/MEOW_190091

Someone, please explain the club function to me because I'm confused ヽ(ಠ_ಠ)ノ

「(゚ペ)

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Chunji94

There were clubs for every language, and in that club you had a leaderboard that can be compared to the leagues now... you didnt get anything for being in the first place but you could see how the others did compared to you. You also had little excercises where you should describe a picture or answer a question, write your opinion about something... You where always able to see the answers of the other club members that also did the excercise so you could compare them to yours. And you where able to ask something or start a Chat about a certain theme or whatever... that everyone else in your club could read. Bigges problem about these clubs where, that there where many inactive people and you couldn`t really get rid of them and that you where randomly put in a club. I would rather have changed something about that, than implemented the league system.... but it is as it is...

May 23, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Debbie901557

Duo, at least make the leagues OPTIONAL!

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Grant7586

Let's all hope Duolingo never diversify into the automotive industry: I reckon if Duolingo's developers ever built a car they'd probably design it with the steering wheel hidden in the glove compartment...

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/Nga104476

I like your sense of humor. Well, if you NEED the steering wheel, I am sure you will mange to find it LOL

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/melodyzen

I can't agree more. Duolingo, please communicate with your users.

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/AnitaRRC

Delete the app. I still have my clubs in an old version but if the kick me out the app will go. In your Android browsers you can do your excercided on the website. You get the same daily goals etc and better grammatical hintd

May 24, 2019

https://www.duolingo.com/LidiyaDavydova20

when are they updating iphones??

May 29, 2019
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